Atlas Forum would be very entertaining in November 6th-8th 1932

[buritobr]

There were 2 very important elections for in a 3 day interval in November 1932.

On November 6th (Sunday), there was the federal election in the Weimar Republic. The last german free election before the war. The NSDAP had 33.1%, the SPD had 20.4% and the KPD had 16.9%.

On November 8th (Tuesday), there was the 37th US presidential election. Franklin Roosevelt had 57.4% of the popular vote and 472 EV, Hoover had 39.6% of the popular vote and 59 EV.

Did you imagine what's if the Atlas Forum existed that time? There would be lots of replies in the threads relating to these elections between 11/06/1932 and 11/08/1932.

Concerning the German election, most of the avatars would probably support the SPD or the Zentrum, and dislike the NSDAP and the KPD. The map of the German avatars would be slightly different. There would be questions like "will the DVNP accept a coalition with the NSDAP, in which Hitler becomes the chancellor?", "would all the conservative parties make a coalition with the NSDAP in which Hitler doesn't become the chancellor?", "what about a coalition that includes all the parties except the NSDAP?", "would the KPD, SPD and Zentrum accept to be in the same coalition?", "the NSDAP fell 4 points in comparison to July, will the nazi keep loosing support in the next elections?", "the NSDAP is the National SOZIALISTISCHE Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, why don't they make coalition with the KPD and SPD?".

Concerning the US election, there will be questions like "which national popular vote margin will FDR have?", "will Hoover win any state outside the Northeast?", "in which southern state will Hoover achieve double digits?", "will one day the Republicans win South Carolina?", "will Stalin's NKVD rig the proceeding to FDR?".

In the "Individual Politics", there would be polls like "do you support the end of Prohibition?"

In the "International General Discussion": "which country will be the next one to allow women to vote?"

[OSR stands with Israel]

there would be actual questions of whether the GOP will go the way of the Whigs as well

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

there would be actual questions of whether the GOP will go the way of the Whigs as well

Hell, in the far-off febrile days of 2008 a few (fringe) voices were seriously asking this.

But, yeah, late 1932 would be a genuinely neck-breaking time to be on a forum like this. I've talked to some very old people who have dim memories from back then and they've said that even with just newspapers, newsreels, and the radio, and even as young children!, they could tell things were pitching forward into a wild unknown.

[OSR stands with Israel]

there would be actual questions of whether the GOP will go the way of the Whigs as well

Hell, in the far-off febrile days of 2008 a few (fringe) voices were seriously asking this.

But, yeah, late 1932 would be a genuinely neck-breaking time to be on a forum like this. I've talked to some very old people who have dim memories from back then and they've said that even with just newspapers, newsreels, and the radio, and even as young children!, they could tell things were pitching forward into a wild unknown.

And unlike 2008 the GOP even after being completely decimated beyond belief in 1932 would collapse much further in 1934 and 1936 making the claim that the party was on its way to extinction very plausible if not even likely .


Without court packing and the recession of 1937 I think it’s very possible after 1938, conservatives in whatever is left of the GOP and anti new deal conservative democrats form a new party called the Conservative party and the few liberal republicans join the democrats

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

The Nazis went down 4% and lost 34 seats from July to November 1932. The Atlas would be triumphantly saying Hitler and the Nazis will be tossed into the ash heap of history.

[buritobr]

Was the possibility of GOP disappear considered serious in 1932?

There was a clear dominance of the GOP between the end of the Civil War and the Crash of 1929, but the Democratic Party didn't disappear.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Was the possibility of GOP disappear considered serious in 1932?

There was a clear dominance of the GOP between the end of the Civil War and the Crash of 1929, but the Democratic Party didn't disappear.

The trajectories of the Democrats in the 20s and the Republicans in the early-to-mid 30s really weren't the same at all. Harding's coattails in his 1920 landslide gave the Republicans a 59-37 majority in the Senate and 303-131 in the House, a very deep hole but one that the Democrats almost immediately started to dig their way out of with a strong midterm performance in 1922 and a more contained series of downballot losses in 1924. The Republicans, on the other hand, fell from strong Congressional majorities to near-ties in both houses in the 1930 midterms; fell to exactly the Democrats' post-1920 nadir (again, 59-37) in the Senate and below it (313-117) in the House in 1932; and, as OSR points out, still fell even further in the next two cycles. Even an extremely strong Republican midterm in 1938 still left them almost 100 seats behind the Democrats in the House. It took them until 1942 to seriously compete for Congressional control, and even then until 1946 to actually achieve it.

It's impossible to know for sure just how close the US was to the demise and supersession of one of its main political parties in the months between FDR's first reelection and the failure of the Court-packing plan, but we were almost indisputably closer than we've been at any other time since Reconstruction.

[Lurker]

There were 2 very important elections for in a 3 day interval in November 1932.

On November 6th (Sunday), there was the federal election in the Weimar Republic. The last german free election before the war. The NSDAP had 33.1%, the SPD had 20.4% and the KPD had 16.9%.

On November 8th (Tuesday), there was the 37th US presidential election. Franklin Roosevelt had 57.4% of the popular vote and 472 EV, Hoover had 39.6% of the popular vote and 59 EV.

Did you imagine what's if the Atlas Forum existed that time? There would be lots of replies in the threads relating to these elections between 11/06/1932 and 11/08/1932.

Concerning the German election, most of the avatars would probably support the SPD or the Zentrum, and dislike the NSDAP and the KPD. The map of the German avatars would be slightly different. There would be questions like "will the DVNP accept a coalition with the NSDAP, in which Hitler becomes the chancellor?", "would all the conservative parties make a coalition with the NSDAP in which Hitler doesn't become the chancellor?", "what about a coalition that includes all the parties except the NSDAP?", "would the KPD, SPD and Zentrum accept to be in the same coalition?", "the NSDAP fell 4 points in comparison to July, will the nazi keep loosing support in the next elections?", "the NSDAP is the National SOZIALISTISCHE Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, why don't they make coalition with the KPD and SPD?".

Haha. Apropos this, from the New York Times, Nov 7, 1932:

NATION UPHOLDS SOCIALISM 25,000,000 of 35,000,000 Votes Cast Go to the Three Factions Having Such a Program.

(Only part of the headline...but still.)

[Pres Mike]

I know one thing, if CNN was around they would have waited a few days to call the election for FDR...

[StateBoiler]

Discussion on Huey Long as he became more and more the Elected Dictator of Louisiana throughout the early 1930s would be fun as well.

Not that I care for historical what-if's because discussion of them tends to go to the extremes instead of what was most plausible, but how a Long 1936 presidential run plays out is interesting to ponder.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

imagen if atlas foram modarn in the past

[OSR stands with Israel]

I know one thing, if CNN was around they would have waited a few days to call the election for FDR...

The election proabably would called for FDR at 9 ET when polls would close in Texas and this is how the CNN map would look




CNN may even call New York and Rhode Island as soon as the polls close as at that point their votes wouldnt be decisive

[OSR stands with Israel]

Was the possibility of GOP disappear considered serious in 1932?

There was a clear dominance of the GOP between the end of the Civil War and the Crash of 1929, but the Democratic Party didn't disappear.

The trajectories of the Democrats in the 20s and the Republicans in the early-to-mid 30s really weren't the same at all. Harding's coattails in his 1920 landslide gave the Republicans a 59-37 majority in the Senate and 303-131 in the House, a very deep hole but one that the Democrats almost immediately started to dig their way out of with a strong midterm performance in 1922 and a more contained series of downballot losses in 1924. The Republicans, on the other hand, fell from strong Congressional majorities to near-ties in both houses in the 1930 midterms; fell to exactly the Democrats' post-1920 nadir (again, 59-37) in the Senate and below it (313-117) in the House in 1932; and, as OSR points out, still fell even further in the next two cycles. Even an extremely strong Republican midterm in 1938 still left them almost 100 seats behind the Democrats in the House. It took them until 1942 to seriously compete for Congressional control, and even then until 1946 to actually achieve it.

It's impossible to know for sure just how close the US was to the demise and supersession of one of its main political parties in the months between FDR's first reelection and the failure of the Court-packing plan, but we were almost indisputably closer than we've been at any other time since Reconstruction.

Also keep in mind the GOP didn't even have a strong base region to fall back on like the Democrats did with the Solid South in the 1920s as much of the GOP's former North East firewall was breached and obliterated .

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

"Will the Republicans someday win South Carolina?" is a question only a troll would have asked.  Even in Hoover's 1928 landslide victory, the Democrats got over 90% statewide. More likely there would be a thread about Alabama which Hoover almost won in 1928.

[Torrain]

Given what this site looks like on election night…

Hoover: *wins Vermont*

Atlas: I tried to tell you what was going on. I really tried. This looks like a landslide, folks.

[TheReckoning]

"Will the Republicans someday win South Carolina?" is a question only a troll would have asked.  Even in Hoover's 1928 landslide victory, the Democrats got over 90% statewide. More likely there would be a thread about Alabama which Hoover almost won in 1928.

Given how only something like 20% of South Carolina’s population voted, wouldn’t it not be that to difficult to predict have said that if voting is expanded (and it always has) it’s not impossible for Republicans to win?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

"Will the Republicans someday win South Carolina?" is a question only a troll would have asked.  Even in Hoover's 1928 landslide victory, the Democrats got over 90% statewide. More likely there would be a thread about Alabama which Hoover almost won in 1928.

Given how only something like 20% of South Carolina’s population voted, wouldn’t it not be that to difficult to predict have said that if voting is expanded (and it always has) it’s not impossible for Republicans to win?

The real election in 1920s South Carolina was the Democratic primary. The general election was purely a formality and everyone knew it. Considering how our 1895 state constitution had restricted the franchise, the idea that voting always expands is absurd and would have been obviously absurd in 1932. The success of the post World War II civil rights campaign and its ensuing political realignment might have been part of a fanciful what-if scenario that had alien space bats cause a second world war in the 1940s or more likely the 1950s, but not a serious political discussion thread.

[Agonized-Statism]

If only Norman Thomas and William Foster could reconcile.