🇦🇹 Austrian Elections & Politics 6.0 - Upper Austria election: 26 Sept. 2021

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Austria very recently said goodbye to last coal powered power plant on its territory. I think this is noteworthy news, also from political perspective.

This is a welcome development.

No nuclear energy, no coal.

To be exactly precise, Austria is a net importer of Czech energy (~11 TWh import vs. 0.1 TWh export), where coal and nuclear energy make up the largest parts of their power mix. So while there are neither coal nor nuclear power plants running, Austria's energy mix is still not free of coal and nuclear power. (excluding imports from Germany due to the planned phase-out)

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Austria very recently said goodbye to last coal powered power plant on its territory. I think this is noteworthy news, also from political perspective.

This is a welcome development.

No nuclear energy, no coal.

How on Earth is having no nuclear energy a welcome development? If only the rest of Europe was like France (where nuclear is the main way to produce electricity) maybe we could actually reduce CO2 emissions and what not.

Austrians and Germans have weird fetish of hating nuclear energy for no good reason. And they are bullying other countries to close their nuclear plants like Pacs in Hungary or Temelin in Czech Republic. I am not some weird nuclear energy fanboy and I see some issues with that source of energy (cost of building, know-how needed from countries like France, where EDF/Areva have problems with realisation of their current projects etc.) but German-speaking countries are simply nuts with their anti-nuclear prejudices.

As a German, I fully agree. Why on Earth would any sane government shutdown nuclear before coal, especially some of the safest nuclear power plants in the world, only to be dependent on nuclear energy from France and Czechia (against which is protested then) because locals protest against extending the power grid for renewables?

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Yeah. Of the 2 big disasters with nuclear energy, Chernobyl took Soviet scientists ing around with the power plant for sh**ts and giggles and disregarding even the Soviet security protocols from the time and Fukushima took both an earthquake and a tsunami and a ton of negligence (though less than Chernobyl) to happpen.

As far as I know Austria is not earthquake prone and definitely not a tsunami area; so as long as the plants are relatively modern and operators do their job everything will be ok. France has been using nuclear for ages with 0 issues.

Except for the abnormally high cancer rates (leukemia) in the 50km around each reactor ...

Which study are you referring to? The 2012 Geocap study coming to the conclusion that the occurring leukemia rates cannot be explained by gaseous discharges of Nuclear Power Plants? Or the 2008 study stating that a cancer cluster around NPP Krümmel cannot be explained by radiation since there is no release of it so it is a pure statistical cancer cluster which happen to occur.

Even the IPCC calculates with an increase or at least stable number of operating NPPs so the 1.5 °C goal can be reached. Otherwise, it is simply impossible.

An inconvenient truth...

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New Oct. 11 Vienna state election poll (Unique Research/"Heute" newspaper):



Turnout: 78% (+3.2%)

2015:

39.6% SPÖ
30.8% FPÖ
11.8% Greens
  9.2% ÖVP
  6.2% NEOS
  2.4% Others

https://www.heute.at/s/heute-umfrage-fpoe-stuerzt-ab-strache-ueberholt-nepp-100085632

Extremely unlikely, but I would love to see both FPÖ and Strache fail the threshold.

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  6% THC
  2% Others

Support for re-unification between FPÖ and THC ?

Among FPÖ-voters: 40% for, 48% against
Among THC-voters: 55% for, 30% against
Among ÖVP-voters: ca. 10% for

https://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20200612_OTS0121/atv-wien-trend-spoe-bei-wien-wahl-stabil-in-front-38-fpoe-auch-mit-kickl-als-spitzenkanditat-im-keller-8

THC is an... interesting abbreviation for Strache's Party.

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Green Party candidate said in an Arabic Show:

"By Allah, we have spoken about this topic before […] For the well-being of the children, we want to arbitrate between the parents. It is a good thing and we will try to solve this social problem even though we are against the laws of this country because these laws protect women and give them custody rights and also the rights to raise children."

Now that's woke lol

Important to note that the Greens have distanced themselves from these views and say they will "deal with it" after the election.

https://www.oe24.at/wien-wahl-2020/mega-wirbel-um-gruenen-kandidat-abdelati-krimi/449162908

Should be noted that the guy is ranked #40 on the Green list for Vienna.

Even if the Greens get 25%, he would not make it into parliament ...

But it's no secret that many Muslim/Arab immigrants have pretty disturbing, backwards views.

Could he still get into Parliament with enough preferential votes (Vorzugsstimmen)?

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Do you think TK will survive on a medium-term basis in Carinthia as political force (just like Liste Fritz kinda did in Tyrol)?

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Whoever is bored can watch the whole footage of the Ibiza videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1y1GtNgGiAUBfQz87ltjag

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R.I.P. this thread.

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R.I.P. this thread.

If its OK to ask - what happened?

Tender was permabanned for creating a sock to avoid a temporary mute.

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First exit poll of the Upper Austria state elections:

ÖVP 37.7 (+1.3)
FPÖ 20.2 % (-10.1)
SPÖ 18.3 (-0.1)
Greens 11.4 (+0.4)
MFG 7.5 (+7.5)
NEOS 3.9 (+0.4)

NEOS currently narrowly fails the 4 percent threshold. MFG is a new party opposing any kind of measures against Covid-19.

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RIP this thread, once and for all.

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RIP this thread, once and for all.

there is no motive to close this subject

The only person who kept this thread alive has been permabanned (Tender aka Sven der Igel).

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So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.

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So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.

Not buying it. The dude will come back or at least try to come back. Could just be a tactical move.

Yeah, I buy he's out for now until his image might be recovered, also since Nehammer seems to be close to Kurz. But sometimes rising stars don't ever return - Remember KT zu Guttenberg in Germany, who was regularly rumored to make a comeback? Nothing has happened in 10 years. Merz did it, though.

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Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

I doubt anyone in Austria wants snap elections during the peak of a Covid wave.