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« Reply #800 on: September 29, 2021, 05:57:36 PM »

I was looking at the German Wikipedia page for the anti-vaccine party, and its listed ideologies are Impfgegnerschaft, Populismus, and Laizismus. It's hard to think of a less appealing list!
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« Reply #801 on: September 30, 2021, 04:38:58 AM »

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Shortly before the election, members of Nagl’s party, the Austrian People’s Party (ÖVP) of Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, had warned in drastic terms of what might happen if the communists were allowed to prevail in the election. A vote for the leftists, they said, was "a vote for chaos, terror and fear." They warned of mass unemployment. The term "Leningraz" even made the rounds.

And then, there was the ultimate victor of the elections, the head of the Communist Party of Graz (KPÖ) Elke Kahr, who had given the ÖVP apocalyptic nightmares, standing before the television cameras earlier in the day and answering questions about what she would do until the election results were announced. Her answer? She said she would use the time to finally do a bit of housework and wash a couple of loads of laundry. The beautiful weather, she insisted, was perfect for drying.

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« Reply #802 on: October 01, 2021, 07:13:13 PM »

The Communists in Graz are very good at PR, with their politicians often being seen doing good deeds/walking the walk and donating chunks of their salaries. Tender, for example, was effusive about them and always was glad when they did well, even though he is not a communist by any means.

The Milwaukee note is a good one: they are textbook sewer socialists.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/austrian-communists-caught-in-controversy-over-praise-for-lukashenko-regime/
Ofcourse they have the same problem of loving authotarainsm and dictatorships that every other communism suffers from.
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Werner Murgg, one of only two communist MPs in the state parliament of Styria, praised the Lukashenko regime on Belarussian television during a visit to the country in August and referred to “stability and order” in Europe’s last dictatorship.

He claimed that the West is waging “a hybrid war against Belarus” and stated that he was “pleasantly surprised” about how open the society was when he was spending his vacation there.

While he later backpedalled in an official statement and tried to distance himself from the regime in Belarus, the damage had already been done.


 
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« Reply #803 on: October 08, 2021, 05:26:23 PM »
« Edited: October 08, 2021, 06:05:14 PM by Logical »

https://metropole.at/ovp-scandal-kurz-media-triangle/

On Tuesday, there will be a confidence vote which Kurz and the ÖVP does not expect to survive. Either an anti-ÖVP coalition or an expert government will be formed in preparation of a new election.

Here's the best of part of the scandal. These two polls are alleged to be fake. They show then ÖVP leader and vice chancellor Reinhold Mitterlehner with much worse numbers than other pollsters show. And then they asked a hypothetical question with a Kurz led ÖVP winning the election. The right wing tabloids ran a barrage of such fake polls to pressure Mitterlehner to resign and to push Kurz as leader. They succeeded and the rest became a self fulfilling prophecy.







You can check out the list of fake polls on wikipedia to see the full extent of the manipulation.
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« Reply #804 on: October 08, 2021, 05:34:39 PM »

What a mess. But one question, did they forged the data of polling, or completely made up the numbers?
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« Reply #805 on: October 08, 2021, 05:46:57 PM »

What a mess. But one question, did they forged the data of polling, or completely made up the numbers?
From what I understand (using google translate), the polls are real but the numbers are "massaged" so to speak.
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« Reply #806 on: October 09, 2021, 01:09:45 PM »

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« Reply #807 on: October 09, 2021, 01:14:08 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2021, 01:48:57 PM by Mike88 »

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Also, interesting that in just the last 3 weeks, several European government parties have been hit with substantial setbacks: Norway, Germany, Portugal, Czech Republic and now Austria.
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« Reply #808 on: October 09, 2021, 01:17:06 PM »

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Kurz was only confirmed as ÖVP leader with 99.4% in August, so nope.

He will remain party leader & group leader in parliament until he’s either found guilty or not.

He may return as Chancellor in the latter event.

No new elections either: ÖVP+Greens are continuing with interim Chancellor Schallenberg.
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« Reply #809 on: October 09, 2021, 01:20:53 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2021, 01:48:11 PM by Mike88 »

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Kurz was only confirmed as ÖVP leader with 99.4% in August, so nope.

He will remain party leader & group leader in parliament until he’s either found guilty or not.

He may return as Chancellor in the latter event.

No new elections either: ÖVP+Greens are continuing with interim Chancellor Schallenberg.

Right. But, the investigation and trial could last several months, Austria having an interim Chancellor for a considerable period of time could be messy, IMO.
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« Reply #810 on: October 09, 2021, 02:08:26 PM »

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Kurz was only confirmed as ÖVP leader with 99.4% in August, so nope.

He will remain party leader & group leader in parliament until he’s either found guilty or not.

He may return as Chancellor in the latter event.

No new elections either: ÖVP+Greens are continuing with interim Chancellor Schallenberg.

Right. But, the investigation and trial could last several months, Austria having an interim Chancellor for a considerable period of time could be messy, IMO.

Correct.

But Schallenberg is an insider and pro (he’s the current foreign minister, knows everyone in the government and EU/World already well).

Would be harder for a total newcomer as Chancellor, but Brigitte Bierlein in 2019 as interim one also did a great job ...
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« Reply #811 on: October 09, 2021, 04:55:48 PM »

What do these events mean for the fpo
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« Reply #812 on: October 09, 2021, 05:50:03 PM »

I would think the FPO would like to calmly stay in opposition and hope to win alot of right of center OVP voters who are disgusted with Kurz related corruption in the coming months and years.
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« Reply #813 on: October 19, 2021, 02:07:55 PM »



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« Reply #814 on: October 19, 2021, 05:55:47 PM »




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To paraphrase Hal Holbrook from the movie All the President's Men:

"Forget the myths the media's Kronen Zeitung created about the White House Sebastian Kurz and the ÖVP. The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand. "
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« Reply #815 on: October 19, 2021, 06:51:53 PM »

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Shortly before the election, members of Nagl’s party, the Austrian People’s Party (ÖVP) of Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, had warned in drastic terms of what might happen if the communists were allowed to prevail in the election. A vote for the leftists, they said, was "a vote for chaos, terror and fear." They warned of mass unemployment. The term "Leningraz" even made the rounds.

And then, there was the ultimate victor of the elections, the head of the Communist Party of Graz (KPÖ) Elke Kahr, who had given the ÖVP apocalyptic nightmares, standing before the television cameras earlier in the day and answering questions about what she would do until the election results were announced. Her answer? She said she would use the time to finally do a bit of housework and wash a couple of loads of laundry. The beautiful weather, she insisted, was perfect for drying.


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« Reply #816 on: December 02, 2021, 08:45:55 AM »

So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.
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« Reply #817 on: December 02, 2021, 10:17:47 AM »

So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.

Not buying it. The dude will come back or at least try to come back. Could just be a tactical move.
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« Reply #818 on: December 02, 2021, 10:28:16 AM »

So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.

Not buying it. The dude will come back or at least try to come back. Could just be a tactical move.
Yeah, I buy he's out for now until his image might be recovered, also since Nehammer seems to be close to Kurz. But sometimes rising stars don't ever return - Remember KT zu Guttenberg in Germany, who was regularly rumored to make a comeback? Nothing has happened in 10 years. Merz did it, though. Tongue
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« Reply #819 on: December 02, 2021, 04:09:36 PM »

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?
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« Reply #820 on: December 02, 2021, 04:14:40 PM »
« Edited: December 02, 2021, 04:18:56 PM by President Johnson »

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.
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« Reply #821 on: December 02, 2021, 06:18:59 PM »

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

What do polls indicate right now?
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« Reply #822 on: December 02, 2021, 06:39:06 PM »

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

What do polls indicate right now?
SPÖ first, and a red-green-pink (SPÖ-Grüne-Neos) coalition is possible.
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« Reply #823 on: December 02, 2021, 06:49:59 PM »

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

What do polls indicate right now?

Well if there is one country where we could have some pretty legitimate doubts about what the polls are saying then it’s probably Austria
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« Reply #824 on: December 02, 2021, 06:53:17 PM »

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.
I doubt anyone in Austria wants snap elections during the peak of a Covid wave.
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