🇦🇹 Austrian Elections & Politics 6.0 - Federal election: 29 September 2024

[Mike88]

What a mess. But one question, did they forged the data of polling, or completely made up the numbers?

[#UnbanTender]

What a mess. But one question, did they forged the data of polling, or completely made up the numbers?

From what I understand (using google translate), the polls are real but the numbers are "massaged" so to speak.

[President Johnson]

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1446895895140872197

[Mike88]

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Also, interesting that in just the last 3 weeks, several European government parties have been hit with substantial setbacks: Norway, Germany, Portugal, Czech Republic and now Austria.

[Pamela Joy]

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Kurz was only confirmed as ÖVP leader with 99.4% in August, so nope.

He will remain party leader & group leader in parliament until he’s either found guilty or not.

He may return as Chancellor in the latter event.

No new elections either: ÖVP+Greens are continuing with interim Chancellor Schallenberg.

[Mike88]

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Kurz was only confirmed as ÖVP leader with 99.4% in August, so nope.

He will remain party leader & group leader in parliament until he’s either found guilty or not.

He may return as Chancellor in the latter event.

No new elections either: ÖVP+Greens are continuing with interim Chancellor Schallenberg.

Right. But, the investigation and trial could last several months, Austria having an interim Chancellor for a considerable period of time could be messy, IMO.

[Pamela Joy]

So, will there be a OVP leadership election to select a new leader, or a snap general election?

Kurz was only confirmed as ÖVP leader with 99.4% in August, so nope.

He will remain party leader & group leader in parliament until he’s either found guilty or not.

He may return as Chancellor in the latter event.

No new elections either: ÖVP+Greens are continuing with interim Chancellor Schallenberg.

Right. But, the investigation and trial could last several months, Austria having an interim Chancellor for a considerable period of time could be messy, IMO.

Correct.

But Schallenberg is an insider and pro (he’s the current foreign minister, knows everyone in the government and EU/World already well).

Would be harder for a total newcomer as Chancellor, but Brigitte Bierlein in 2019 as interim one also did a great job ...

[Flyersfan232]

What do these events mean for the fpo

[rob in cal]

I would think the FPO would like to calmly stay in opposition and hope to win alot of right of center OVP voters who are disgusted with Kurz related corruption in the coming months and years.

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/dweitzel/status/1450483463434514433

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[You are responsible]

https://twitter.com/dweitzel/status/1450483463434514433


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To paraphrase Hal Holbrook from the movie All the President's Men:

"Forget the myths the media's Kronen Zeitung created about the White House Sebastian Kurz and the ÖVP. The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand. "

[Libertas Vel Mors]

From Der Standard

Shortly before the election, members of Nagl’s party, the Austrian People’s Party (ÖVP) of Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, had warned in drastic terms of what might happen if the communists were allowed to prevail in the election. A vote for the leftists, they said, was "a vote for chaos, terror and fear." They warned of mass unemployment. The term "Leningraz" even made the rounds.

And then, there was the ultimate victor of the elections, the head of the Communist Party of Graz (KPÖ) Elke Kahr, who had given the ÖVP apocalyptic nightmares, standing before the television cameras earlier in the day and answering questions about what she would do until the election results were announced. Her answer? She said she would use the time to finally do a bit of housework and wash a couple of loads of laundry. The beautiful weather, she insisted, was perfect for drying.

So what?

[Astatine]

So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.

[Sir Mohamed]

So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.

Not buying it. The dude will come back or at least try to come back. Could just be a tactical move.

[Astatine]

So, it's over for Shorty: Sebastian Kurz just announced he'll retire from politics completely, citing the birth of his son and the "accusations" of the last months as reasons for his interest in politics dwindling. Kurz will be succeeded by Interior Minister Karl Nehammer as ÖVP leader - He is also rumored to take over as Chancellor, given that Schallenberg has made an underwhelming impression so far.

Not buying it. The dude will come back or at least try to come back. Could just be a tactical move.

Yeah, I buy he's out for now until his image might be recovered, also since Nehammer seems to be close to Kurz. But sometimes rising stars don't ever return - Remember KT zu Guttenberg in Germany, who was regularly rumored to make a comeback? Nothing has happened in 10 years. Merz did it, though.

[DavidB.]

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

[President Johnson]

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

[Niemeyerite]

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

What do polls indicate right now?

[bigic]

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

What do polls indicate right now?

SPÖ first, and a red-green-pink (SPÖ-Grüne-Neos) coalition is possible.

[parochial boy]

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

What do polls indicate right now?

Well if there is one country where we could have some pretty legitimate doubts about what the polls are saying then it’s probably Austria

[Astatine]

Chancellor Schallenberg and Finance Minister Blümel, both ÖVP, just resigned. What's next? New elections?

German news sources say Karl Nehammer, Interior Minister, is likely to be next ÖVP leader and chancellor.

I hope there will be snap elections and the SPÖ comes to power again.

I doubt anyone in Austria wants snap elections during the peak of a Covid wave.

[Lechasseur]

Why did Schallenberg resign ?

[DavidB.]

Why did Schallenberg resign ?

He doesn't want to be ÖVP leader and thinks the Chancellor should also lead the ÖVP. Nehammer is much more of a party machine guy than Schallenberg. It would be strange if one were party leader and the other Chancellor. Essentially, with Nehammer now leading the ÖVP, the party shifted back from "turquoise" to "black", into the hands of the old party elite of which Nehammer is part.

[Pick Up the Phone]

Why did Schallenberg resign ?

He doesn't want to be ÖVP leader and thinks the Chancellor should also lead the ÖVP. Nehammer is much more of a party machine guy than Schallenberg. It would be strange if one were party leader and the other Chancellor. Essentially, with Nehammer now leading the ÖVP, the party shifted back from "turquoise" to "black", into the hands of the old party elite of which Nehammer is part.

Exactly. Schallenberg was never an ÖVP politician but a 'Kurz politician' - big difference. Now that the Kurz experiment has failed, there is no foundation for him to continue as Chancellor. He may become Foreign Minister again but the ÖVP is back in the hands of the old party establishment.

Obviously, there is no reason for snap elections. There is still a solid ÖVP-Greens majority to support the new Chancellor.

[Flyersfan232]

Why did Schallenberg resign ?

He doesn't want to be ÖVP leader and thinks the Chancellor should also lead the ÖVP. Nehammer is much more of a party machine guy than Schallenberg. It would be strange if one were party leader and the other Chancellor. Essentially, with Nehammer now leading the ÖVP, the party shifted back from "turquoise" to "black", into the hands of the old party elite of which Nehammer is part.

Wats the difference