2020 Oregon Redistricting

[lfromnj]

Does anyone else want to support this map for the blue district?
Creates a nice cmpetetive Clinton +1 district with the D primary having a bunch of Portland white antifa leftists  deciding it and the R primary having a bunch of Proud Boys.

[S019]

https://davesredistricting.org/join/7ef4d47b-a4f6-4627-a0f9-71cb5aebbd82, I made this 6-0 map, and I think this is probably legal, I don't think this crosses the Cascades more than once, could be wrong though

[lfromnj]

https://davesredistricting.org/join/7ef4d47b-a4f6-4627-a0f9-71cb5aebbd82, I made this 6-0 map, and I think this is probably legal, I don't think this crosses the Cascades more than once, could be wrong though

Not population equalized for 2018 dude. And you split the Cascades twice. And almost certainly not legal due to the fact every district but  1 has portland in it.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

https://davesredistricting.org/join/7ef4d47b-a4f6-4627-a0f9-71cb5aebbd82, I made this 6-0 map, and I think this is probably legal, I don't think this crosses the Cascades more than once, could be wrong though

Uh, that crosses the Cascades 3 times, the 5th isn't contiguous by road, and it crossed the Willamette 5 times. Definitely illegal. Everything east of the Cascades (except maaaaybe Hood River+Wasco) has to stay together which means you cannot come over and carve out Bend/Redmond to use in the Willamette Valley, and you definitely can't pair Klamath Falls and Corvallis.

[S019]

https://davesredistricting.org/join/7ef4d47b-a4f6-4627-a0f9-71cb5aebbd82, so is this better? This is 5-0-1 with just one split, I think

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

https://davesredistricting.org/join/7ef4d47b-a4f6-4627-a0f9-71cb5aebbd82, so is this better? This is 5-0-1 with just one split, I think

It's a move in the right direction but still illegal. You have to make the 5th take in Jefferson, Jackson, and drop the Portland tendril. It's impossible to make a legal Oregon map without one safe Republican district.

[lfromnj]

I have been discussing this before but assuming the eastern Oregon district goes into Jackson county what should the SW Oregon district take in? This question is for a truly non partisan map as the D trifecta would obviously take Ashland in.
Ashland or Medford?
Which is the TRUE non partisan decision?
If it takes in Medford the district moves to Trump +4 to 5 while if it takes in Ashland its around Clinton +1. Both of these decisions could make sense. Taking in Medford makes the district look a tiny bit better. I feel like any D poster would say Ashland and any R poster would say Medford because frankly both moves make a decent amount of sense but they have pretty large effects on the final partisanship of the district.
Frankly its important to ask this question in redistricting overall and understand one's inherent bias's.

[lfromnj]

If people are wondering what I mean



Also my bad. No matter what Medford is in the blue district but what matters is if unincorporated rurals or Ashland should be with the  green district.
In the first scenario you get a district that was +0.0 clinton by a few hundred votes
In the second scenario you have a +5.5 Trump district.

There is a lot of arguments over what should be done here but it isn't certain and I feel it just mostly depends on personal partisanship.

[Oryxslayer]

If people are wondering what I mean



Also my bad. No matter what Medford is in the blue district but what matters is if unincorporated rurals or Ashland should be with the  green district.
In the first scenario you get a district that was +0.0 clinton by a few hundred votes
In the second scenario you have a +5.5 Trump district.

There is a lot of arguments over what should be done here but it isn't certain and I feel it just mostly depends on personal partisanship.

I mean why not just head up the valley past Eugene? There's nothing wrong with a map like this, and it wouldn't be outlandish to argue that the urban college-educated population centers and their Burbs should be separated from the rural parts of the west valley. Certainly it could be cleaned up, this map was done in a haste as can be seen in the Jackson cut, but it's an alignment that actually makes sense. It's also a version of the valley that the Dem legislature would very easily pursue if something like 4-1-1 or 5-1 are no longer in the cards.

[lfromnj]

Shouldn't the mid Willamette valley also have a rep?. Instead you split it here. Anyway the point still stands. This isn't about Oregon has a whole but rather redistricting decisions in general. There is also the argument about roads and how the highways connect Ashland to the east and also compactness.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Shouldn't the mid Willamette valley also have a rep?. Instead you split it here. Anyway the point still stands. This isn't about Oregon has a whole but rather redistricting decisions in general. There is also the argument about roads and how the highways connect Ashland to the east and also compactness.

Yeah. Marion+Linn+Benton+Polk+Lincoln is a compact Trump+2 district, and any fair map has some version of it. However, that basically locks in a 3-1-2 map which OR Dems are never going to go for.

[lfromnj]

Shouldn't the mid Willamette valley also have a rep?. Instead you split it here. Anyway the point still stands. This isn't about Oregon has a whole but rather redistricting decisions in general. There is also the argument about roads and how the highways connect Ashland to the east and also compactness.

Yeah. Marion+Linn+Benton+Polk+Lincoln is a compact Trump+2 district, and any fair map has some version of it. However, that basically locks in a 3-1-2 map which OR Dems are never going to go for.

Oh of course, im just speaking theoretically. I fully understand and expect Oregon D's to mildly gerrymander wherever they can. Im just talking in general about a fully non partisan map in Oregon.

Whats your opinion on the Jackson county split I proposed above. Which map would you prefer?

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Shouldn't the mid Willamette valley also have a rep?. Instead you split it here. Anyway the point still stands. This isn't about Oregon has a whole but rather redistricting decisions in general. There is also the argument about roads and how the highways connect Ashland to the east and also compactness.

Yeah. Marion+Linn+Benton+Polk+Lincoln is a compact Trump+2 district, and any fair map has some version of it. However, that basically locks in a 3-1-2 map which OR Dems are never going to go for.

Oh of course, im just speaking theoretically. I fully understand and expect Oregon D's to mildly gerrymander wherever they can. Im just talking in general about a fully non partisan map in Oregon.

Whats your opinion on the Jackson county split I proposed above. Which map would you prefer?

Well, I'm predisposed to favor putting Medford in eastern Oregon on partisanship grounds alone, but Medford/Central Point/White City are also on the main highway connecting Southern and Eastern Oregon whereas Ashland's connection to Klamath Falls is much more tenuous. All this is to say I tentatively favor the Medford in Eastern Oregon map, but I get both sides. Frankly, I think it might be best to move all of Jackson over to Eastern Oregon and put Hood River and The Dalles in with Portland.

[Sol]

Shouldn't the mid Willamette valley also have a rep?. Instead you split it here. Anyway the point still stands. This isn't about Oregon has a whole but rather redistricting decisions in general. There is also the argument about roads and how the highways connect Ashland to the east and also compactness.

Yeah. Marion+Linn+Benton+Polk+Lincoln is a compact Trump+2 district, and any fair map has some version of it. However, that basically locks in a 3-1-2 map which OR Dems are never going to go for.

Oh of course, im just speaking theoretically. I fully understand and expect Oregon D's to mildly gerrymander wherever they can. Im just talking in general about a fully non partisan map in Oregon.

Whats your opinion on the Jackson county split I proposed above. Which map would you prefer?

Well, I'm predisposed to favor putting Medford in eastern Oregon on partisanship grounds alone, but Medford/Central Point/White City are also on the main highway connecting Southern and Eastern Oregon whereas Ashland's connection to Klamath Falls is much more tenuous. All this is to say I tentatively favor the Medford in Eastern Oregon map, but I get both sides. Frankly, I think it might be best to move all of Jackson over to Eastern Oregon and put Hood River and The Dalles in with Portland.

Hood River makes some sense, but putting the Dalles is a bit of a bridge too far IMO.

[Idaho Conservative]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

[SevenEleven]

Anything D+2 is probably safe enough in Oregon so you can make a fairly clean map 4-2 easily.

[Oryxslayer]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

You are thinking about Washington, there is are negotiations in Oregon, especially when the Dems ahve their super-trifecta. Also, quorom denial tactics when it comes to redistricting tend to fail, see Texas 2003.

[Idaho Conservative]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

You are thinking about Washington, there is are negotiations in Oregon, especially when the Dems ahve their super-trifecta. Also, quorom denial tactics when it comes to redistricting tend to fail, see Texas 2003.

succeeded with the climate bill.  I'm not saying the dems shouldn't get a favorable map either, just not an egregious one. 

[Mr.Phips]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

OK, so you are obviously fine with Democrats doing this in Texas, Georgia, and Florida if Republicans draw unfair lines?

[cvparty]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

OK, so you are obviously fine with Democrats doing this in Texas, Georgia, and Florida if Republicans draw unfair lines?

Idaho Conservative

[Idaho Conservative]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

OK, so you are obviously fine with Democrats doing this in Texas, Georgia, and Florida if Republicans draw unfair lines?

No, I just believe in winning

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

OK, so you are obviously fine with Democrats doing this in Texas, Georgia, and Florida if Republicans draw unfair lines?

No, I just believe in winning

But you do understand how precedents work and can screw you over, right?

[Idaho Conservative]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

OK, so you are obviously fine with Democrats doing this in Texas, Georgia, and Florida if Republicans draw unfair lines?

No, I just believe in winning

But you do understand how precedents work and can screw you over, right?

Then stop the other side from doing it

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

OK, so you are obviously fine with Democrats doing this in Texas, Georgia, and Florida if Republicans draw unfair lines?

No, I just believe in winning

But you do understand how precedents work and can screw you over, right?

Then stop the other side from doing it

If you deny our side a quorum in one state, we'll do the same to you in another state. You can't get around that.

[Idaho Conservative]

Republicans should deny the Dems a quorum if they try something egregious.  3-1-2 is fair, but a 4-2 is tolerable. 

OK, so you are obviously fine with Democrats doing this in Texas, Georgia, and Florida if Republicans draw unfair lines?

No, I just believe in winning

But you do understand how precedents work and can screw you over, right?

Then stop the other side from doing it

If you deny our side a quorum in one state, we'll do the same to you in another state. You can't get around that.

different states have different rules