VA-Mason Dixon: Only Biden ahead of Trump

[Frenchrepublican]

It's really hard to see how Trump can being down by 2 in Florida while he is only down by 4 in Virginia. It's not 2012 anymore.

And LOL at the fact that Trump would defeat Sanders by 6 in a state that has not voted for a republican candidate since 2009.

[Frenchrepublican]

It's really hard to see how Trump can being down by 2 in Florida while he is only down by 4 in Virginia. It's not 2012 anymore.

And LOL at the fact that Trump would defeat Sanders by 6 in a state that has not voted for a republican candidate since 2009.

True, but these are seriously worrying numbers for a general regardless. Biden is our only hope.

I admit that Biden is the strongest potential democratic candidate but I really doubt that he would do so much better than Sanders, sure there are some centrist voters who could defect to Trump if democrats nominate a very liberal candidate, but let's be honest people who approve Trump will vote for him and people who don't like him will for the vast majority of them vote for the democratic candidate no matter who he is.

[Frenchrepublican]

It's really hard to see how Trump can being down by 2 in Florida while he is only down by 4 in Virginia. It's not 2012 anymore.

And LOL at the fact that Trump would defeat Sanders by 6 in a state that has not voted for a republican candidate since 2009.

True, but these are seriously worrying numbers for a general regardless. Biden is our only hope.

I admit that Biden is the strongest potential democratic candidate but I really doubt that he would do so much better than Sanders, sure there are some centrist voters who could defect to Trump if democrats nominate a very liberal candidate, but let's be honest people who approve Trump will vote for him and people who don't like him will for the vast majority of them vote for the democratic candidate no matter who he is.

That's what drives me nuts when people act as though there's some massive pool of undecideds who will all swing one way or the other, guaranteeing victory for the Democrats or a landslide for Trump. 

You see it with impeachment polling, a major emphasis on Independents that both sides parade around as though it makes a big point.  BUT to be fair, even if their overall population might be small, these voters were a significant part of Trump's win in 2016.  And outside of ultra- partisanship, most observers can agree that 2020 will likely be another close race.  

Yeah, the democratic candidate will almost certainly win at least 48% of the vote, then you have Trump who will win at least 46% of the vote, you have also the 2% of the electorate which will vote for third parties, in the end it means that only 4% of the electorate is really up for grab for each candidate.

[Frenchrepublican]

is this 2012

Yeah, at least according to this pollster. Florida and Virginia are both tossup.

[Frenchrepublican]

LOL, every Democrat will win Virginia against Trump: the margins may vary but the outcome will not.

In all likelihood, this poll sample is overly (moderate) Republican and as any GE campaign heats up, Bipartiden's favorables and appeal will get shredded, with those voters hunkering down where they always were going to be (with Trump).

After all, Virginia is basically the national capital of "economically conservative and socially liberal" and "I'm a very thoughtful and deliberate swing voter (not)".

You're right on this one. At the moment something like that would not be surprising :
 Biden vs Trump : Biden wins 53/45
Buttigieg vs Trump : Buttigieg wins 52/45
Warren vs Trump : Warren wins 51/46
Sanders vs Trump : Sanders 50/46