How the Last Jedi should have been made after watching The Rise of Skywalker

[OSR stands with Israel]

- The first act of the movie centers around Rey actually training with Luke, and Kylo training in Vader's castle on Mustafar on Snoke's orders. During this time you see the bond between Rey and Kylo happen just like OTL.

- The second act of the movie centers around Luke retuning to the resistance and us seeing his full powers unleashed(he single handily wipes out most the Knights of Ren guarding a planet), and with Rey going to challenge Kylo but would surprisingly realize its a trap and would be captured by Snoke. During the background of all this would have Finn and Po be involved in Space Battles

- The third act would happen very similarly to OTL with Kylo killing Snoke and Rey and Snoke killing Snoke guards as well and Rey escaping. Just like OTL, Kylo now supreme leader would pursue Rey and find the resistance base but this time with a far larger fleet and once he sees Luke we would see him, even more, enraged just like OTL and order the entrie fleet to fire at Luke, but now Luke having reached his full potential would not only block the fleet's attacks but destroy the entire fleet with the exception of Kylo's ship.

Kylo then, even more, enraged would try to kill him with his lightsaber, but Luke would easily defeat Kylo without even igniting his lightsaber but just as about he is about to kill Kylo, he senses the future and allows Kylo to kill him which allows the Reisisetnece to fully escape as well.


This is how the movie would end : A Hologram of Palpatine would suddenly appear in Snoke's flagship and Palpatine would tell him that he not Kylo killed Snoke and would tell him to kill Rey. Kylo would then ask Palpatine why and he would say because the girl is my granddaughter. Then the movie would end with Palpatine's signature laugh

[brucejoel99]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

[OSR stands with Israel]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

[brucejoel99]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

The hyperbole that people spout about what's very obviously a competent movie is insane.

[OSR stands with Israel]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

The hyperbole that people spout about what's very obviously a competent movie is insane.

- TLJ utterly destroyed Luke Skywalker’s character(Mark Hamill even said so )

- It spent a good portion wasting time on an idiotic gambling planet

- They barely showed Rey getting trained or Kylo as well

- Overall it was just not Star Wars and the director seemed to want to destroy every major thing which we consider Star Wars and insult us fans


So die hard Star War fans like me don’t care that it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum because it utterly destroyed Star Wars . One of the best things JJ did with the The Rise of Skywalker was utterly discard many of the plot points created in episode 8

[7,052,770]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

Worse than the Holiday Special? I've tried 3 times in my life, all years apart, to make it through that thing and I just can't.

[OSR stands with Israel]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

Worse than the Holiday Special? I've tried 3 times in my life, all years apart, to make it through that thing and I just can't.

Does that even count lol

[brucejoel99]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

The hyperbole that people spout about what's very obviously a competent movie is insane.

- TLJ utterly destroyed Luke Skywalker’s character(Mark Hamill even said so )

TLJ didn't ruin Luke. Watch the OT/ST movies & pay attention: Luke is a great character who's always had conflict within him.

This is why I still don't understand why Mark Hamill (let alone the fans) rejected the path Luke took in TLJ. It's completely true to his character (not to mention, what they set up in TFA). It would've made zero sense if, in TLJ, Luke is just ready to jump into action when Rey hands him the lightsaber. That's what makes his character's arc in TLJ so beautiful; it's complete redemption. He finally becomes the legend of Luke Skywalker.

I'm sorry, but Mark Hamill is wrong. And not only is he wrong, but he has been before: he also disliked how Luke was portrayed in Empire. And yet, we never see anybody bring that up, now do we?

- It spent a good portion wasting time on an idiotic gambling planet

Canto Bight was cringy, yes. Not so different from many other cringe Star Wars scenes. That said, it wasn't a waste of time. Finn is on a mission to save Rey. What happens in Canto Bight changes Finn & converts him to the cause. He goes from caring only about Rey to being willing to literally die in defense of the Resistance. Canto Bight served a critical purpose in Finn's character development. Could they have done it better? Sure. But it wasn't a waste of time.

- They barely showed Rey getting trained or Kylo as well

Perhaps more time should've been spent on Rey getting trained, sure, but we see more than enough of Kylo in the movie. His chaotic nature is truly fun to watch.

- Overall it was just not Star Wars and the director seemed to want to destroy every major thing which we consider Star Wars and insult us fans

So die hard Star War fans like me don’t care that it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum because it utterly destroyed Star Wars . One of the best things JJ did with the The Rise of Skywalker was utterly discard many of the plot points created in episode 8

I didn't say that "it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum." It was a Star Wars movie. Maybe not what you expected, not catering to what the audience wanted, perhaps a little rough around the edges, but a total labor of love; it was a Star Wars movie, & it was a good Star Wars movie at that.

Rian wanted to bring something new to the franchise & hoped that the fans would show loyalty & understanding. He just made the classic Lucas mistake & overestimated the fans.

[OSR stands with Israel]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

The hyperbole that people spout about what's very obviously a competent movie is insane.

- TLJ utterly destroyed Luke Skywalker’s character(Mark Hamill even said so )

TLJ didn't ruin Luke. Watch the OT/ST movies & pay attention: Luke is a great character who's always had conflict within him.

This is why I still don't understand why Mark Hamill (let alone the fans) rejected the path Luke took in TLJ. It's completely true to his character (not to mention, what they set up in TFA). It would've made zero sense if, in TLJ, Luke is just ready to jump into action when Rey hands him the lightsaber. That's what makes his character's arc in TLJ so beautiful; it's complete redemption. He finally becomes the legend of Luke Skywalker.

I'm sorry, but Mark Hamill is wrong. And not only is he wrong, but he has been before: he also disliked how Luke was portrayed in Empire. And yet, we never see anybody bring that up, now do we?

- It spent a good portion wasting time on an idiotic gambling planet

Canto Bight was cringy, yes. Not so different from many other cringe Star Wars scenes. That said, it wasn't a waste of time. Finn is on a mission to save Rey. What happens in Canto Bight changes Finn & converts him to the cause. He goes from caring only about Rey to being willing to literally die in defense of the Resistance. Canto Bight served a critical purpose in Finn's character development. Could they have done it better? Sure. But it wasn't a waste of time.

- They barely showed Rey getting trained or Kylo as well

Perhaps more time should've been spent on Rey getting trained, sure, but we see more than enough of Kylo in the movie. His chaotic nature is truly fun to watch.

- Overall it was just not Star Wars and the director seemed to want to destroy every major thing which we consider Star Wars and insult us fans

So die hard Star War fans like me don’t care that it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum because it utterly destroyed Star Wars . One of the best things JJ did with the The Rise of Skywalker was utterly discard many of the plot points created in episode 8

I didn't say that "it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum." It was a Star Wars movie. Maybe not what you expected, not catering to what the audience wanted, perhaps a little rough around the edges, but a total labor of love; it was a Star Wars movie, & it was a good Star Wars movie at that.

Rian wanted to bring something new to the franchise & hoped that the fans would show loyalty & understanding. He just made the classic Lucas mistake & overestimated the fans.

The EU treated post episode 6 way way better than the movies did and yes at first he could reject the lightsaber but like Yoda in episode 5 he decides to properly train Rey . Yes he had conflict but the huge point of the OT was that he overcame that conflict inside him and put those Demons all behind him . We did not need Luke to have a  redemption arc at all and that is what ruined his character as well

They did the entire Canto Bight scene terribly and that yes is a big deal

Star Wars Theory is one of the biggest Star Wars fans I have ever seen and he disliked the Last Jedi a lot too(its his lead favorite Star Wars movie ) and he is by far one of the most sophisticated fans you will find just look at all his different playlists . Most diehard fans are sophisticated as we have all read the EU and even ones like Dark Empire were far better than TLJ.

[brucejoel99]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

The hyperbole that people spout about what's very obviously a competent movie is insane.

- TLJ utterly destroyed Luke Skywalker’s character(Mark Hamill even said so )

TLJ didn't ruin Luke. Watch the OT/ST movies & pay attention: Luke is a great character who's always had conflict within him.

This is why I still don't understand why Mark Hamill (let alone the fans) rejected the path Luke took in TLJ. It's completely true to his character (not to mention, what they set up in TFA). It would've made zero sense if, in TLJ, Luke is just ready to jump into action when Rey hands him the lightsaber. That's what makes his character's arc in TLJ so beautiful; it's complete redemption. He finally becomes the legend of Luke Skywalker.

I'm sorry, but Mark Hamill is wrong. And not only is he wrong, but he has been before: he also disliked how Luke was portrayed in Empire. And yet, we never see anybody bring that up, now do we?

- It spent a good portion wasting time on an idiotic gambling planet

Canto Bight was cringy, yes. Not so different from many other cringe Star Wars scenes. That said, it wasn't a waste of time. Finn is on a mission to save Rey. What happens in Canto Bight changes Finn & converts him to the cause. He goes from caring only about Rey to being willing to literally die in defense of the Resistance. Canto Bight served a critical purpose in Finn's character development. Could they have done it better? Sure. But it wasn't a waste of time.

- They barely showed Rey getting trained or Kylo as well

Perhaps more time should've been spent on Rey getting trained, sure, but we see more than enough of Kylo in the movie. His chaotic nature is truly fun to watch.

- Overall it was just not Star Wars and the director seemed to want to destroy every major thing which we consider Star Wars and insult us fans

So die hard Star War fans like me don’t care that it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum because it utterly destroyed Star Wars . One of the best things JJ did with the The Rise of Skywalker was utterly discard many of the plot points created in episode 8

I didn't say that "it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum." It was a Star Wars movie. Maybe not what you expected, not catering to what the audience wanted, perhaps a little rough around the edges, but a total labor of love; it was a Star Wars movie, & it was a good Star Wars movie at that.

Rian wanted to bring something new to the franchise & hoped that the fans would show loyalty & understanding. He just made the classic Lucas mistake & overestimated the fans.

The EU treated post episode 6 way way better than the movies did and yes at first he could reject the lightsaber but like Yoda in episode 5 he decides to properly train Rey . Yes he had conflict but the huge point of the OT was that he overcame that conflict inside him and put those Demons all behind him . We did not need Luke to have a  redemption arc at all and that is what ruined his character as well

A pastor once said in a sermon I heard that "You cannot do in one moment that which takes a lifetime to do." What that means is that you can't decide to follow God & then that's just who you are forever. Your spirituality & beliefs are something that you have to work on to maintain.

So the idea that Luke could only feel conflict once, overcome it, & then that's just his character forever is naive. I'm much more liking of the idea that he's a regular person with human(oid) failings * a heart that could be broken.

They did the entire Canto Bight scene terribly and that yes is a big deal

Amazing. You didn't even acknowledge what I said. You just flat-out ignored it & regurgitated your baseless claim. Good for you!

Star Wars Theory is one of the biggest Star Wars fans I have ever seen and he disliked the Last Jedi a lot too(its his lead favorite Star Wars movie ) and he is by far one of the most sophisticated fans you will find just look at all his different playlists . Most diehard fans are sophisticated as we have all read the EU and even ones like Dark Empire were far better than TLJ.

"I'm sophisticated so f**k you, fake Star Wars fan." -- OSR

[OSR stands with Israel]

TLJ was good, though if it wanted to be a better 2nd-entry-in-a-trilogy, then it should've set up the Emperor's return so that TROS could have them taking him down, rather than him just being back outta nowhere.

Sorry the movie didn't follow your fanfic, though.

TLJ was the worst Star Wars movie ever made

The hyperbole that people spout about what's very obviously a competent movie is insane.

- TLJ utterly destroyed Luke Skywalker’s character(Mark Hamill even said so )

TLJ didn't ruin Luke. Watch the OT/ST movies & pay attention: Luke is a great character who's always had conflict within him.

This is why I still don't understand why Mark Hamill (let alone the fans) rejected the path Luke took in TLJ. It's completely true to his character (not to mention, what they set up in TFA). It would've made zero sense if, in TLJ, Luke is just ready to jump into action when Rey hands him the lightsaber. That's what makes his character's arc in TLJ so beautiful; it's complete redemption. He finally becomes the legend of Luke Skywalker.

I'm sorry, but Mark Hamill is wrong. And not only is he wrong, but he has been before: he also disliked how Luke was portrayed in Empire. And yet, we never see anybody bring that up, now do we?

- It spent a good portion wasting time on an idiotic gambling planet

Canto Bight was cringy, yes. Not so different from many other cringe Star Wars scenes. That said, it wasn't a waste of time. Finn is on a mission to save Rey. What happens in Canto Bight changes Finn & converts him to the cause. He goes from caring only about Rey to being willing to literally die in defense of the Resistance. Canto Bight served a critical purpose in Finn's character development. Could they have done it better? Sure. But it wasn't a waste of time.

- They barely showed Rey getting trained or Kylo as well

Perhaps more time should've been spent on Rey getting trained, sure, but we see more than enough of Kylo in the movie. His chaotic nature is truly fun to watch.

- Overall it was just not Star Wars and the director seemed to want to destroy every major thing which we consider Star Wars and insult us fans

So die hard Star War fans like me don’t care that it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum because it utterly destroyed Star Wars . One of the best things JJ did with the The Rise of Skywalker was utterly discard many of the plot points created in episode 8

I didn't say that "it was technically a competent movie in a vacuum." It was a Star Wars movie. Maybe not what you expected, not catering to what the audience wanted, perhaps a little rough around the edges, but a total labor of love; it was a Star Wars movie, & it was a good Star Wars movie at that.

Rian wanted to bring something new to the franchise & hoped that the fans would show loyalty & understanding. He just made the classic Lucas mistake & overestimated the fans.

The EU treated post episode 6 way way better than the movies did and yes at first he could reject the lightsaber but like Yoda in episode 5 he decides to properly train Rey . Yes he had conflict but the huge point of the OT was that he overcame that conflict inside him and put those Demons all behind him . We did not need Luke to have a  redemption arc at all and that is what ruined his character as well

A pastor once said in a sermon I heard that "You cannot do in one moment that which takes a lifetime to do." What that means is that you can't decide to follow God & then that's just who you are forever. Your spirituality & beliefs are something that you have to work on to maintain.

So the idea that Luke could only feel conflict once, overcome it, & then that's just his character forever is naive. I'm much more liking of the idea that he's a regular person with human(oid) failings * a heart that could be broken.

They did the entire Canto Bight scene terribly and that yes is a big deal

Amazing. You didn't even acknowledge what I said. You just flat-out ignored it & regurgitated your baseless claim. Good for you!

Star Wars Theory is one of the biggest Star Wars fans I have ever seen and he disliked the Last Jedi a lot too(its his lead favorite Star Wars movie ) and he is by far one of the most sophisticated fans you will find just look at all his different playlists . Most diehard fans are sophisticated as we have all read the EU and even ones like Dark Empire were far better than TLJ.

"I'm sophisticated so f**k you, fake Star Wars fan." -- OSR

- It wasn’t one time , it happened over a period of three movies and the point was he was supposed to overcome those demons . Also the idea he could redeem one of the most evil people ever in Darth Vader and yet he gives up on Kylo so early on in his training was laughable .


- I did acknowledge it , and I said you your self admitted the scene could be done better but it shouldn’t be push aside like you think . They could have shown Finn caring for the resistance in a far better way then they actually did and mishandling such a big plot line is terrible


- You are the one calling Star War fans unsophisticated and I said no as we all loved the EU which was far more sophisticated then TLJ

[Robert California]

literally what was wrong with Luke in TLJ.

[BP🌹]

Don't try to argue with beep boop. It's just always wrong.

[brucejoel99]

literally what was wrong with Luke in TLJ.

literally nothing

[OSR stands with Israel]

literally what was wrong with Luke in TLJ.

It completely utterly ruined his character arc from the OT. The idea that he would have acted the way he did with Kylo after how he redeemed one of the most evil person ever would consider Kylo to be irredeemable and even before Kylo fully turned is laughable.

Second the way he acted with Rey was laughable in every way . He should have been reluctant to train her , but like Yoda he should have fully accepted becoming her master

Lastly the fact we never got to see his power is stunning they at least should have shown him go back to the resistance and actually destroy an entire First Order fleet with his force powers but sacrifice his life when he senses the future and too let the rest of the resistance escape .

[Migrant Crime]

Old School Republican is the undisputed final word on Star Wars in these parts.  Please cease and desist.  The Last Jedi was a horrendous movie, the worst ever. 

[Robert California]

literally what was wrong with Luke in TLJ.

It completely utterly ruined his character arc from the OT. The idea that he would have acted the way he did with Kylo after how he redeemed one of the most evil person ever would consider Kylo to be irredeemable and even before Kylo fully turned is laughable.

This is one hundred percent holding Luke to some strangely high standard. Luke, like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan and Mace Windu, is human, and like even Yoda makes mistakes. If we are to believe what happened in Episode VII (and I don't really personally treat much of anything as canon-canon outside the OT), Luke apparently believed he saw something of such great (potential or realized) evil that he opted to go into hiding and remove himself as a player for maybe decades. 'Nuff said.

Second the way he acted with Rey was laughable in every way . He should have been reluctant to train her , but like Yoda he should have fully accepted becoming her master

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Lastly the fact we never got to see his power is stunning they at least should have shown him go back to the resistance and actually destroy an entire First Order fleet with his force powers but sacrifice his life when he senses the future and too let the rest of the resistance escape .

I seem to recall a certain force-projecting Jedi master who was able to engage in a lightsaber battle across millions(?) of lightyears.

EDIT: But, to be completely honest, I don't see the point of arguing semantics over a trilogy that shouldn't exist in the first place. Improvised from start to finish, at the cost of millions of dollars and several billions of tons of fan tears, and for what? To end up exactly where we were at the end of Return of the Jedi. Rian Johnson's movie gave us possibly the most psychedelic Star Wars film, with the possible exception of Empire, an advancement in the Rey-Ben relationship (one of the few interesting and novel aspects of this trilogy), and some very cool uses of the color red. To say that he destroyed what was present in The Force Awakens is to say that there was anything good to be found in Disney's ridiculous model of trying to film three different films under different creative direction semi-simultaneously. This was an exercise better not embarked upon and that isn't Johnson's fault.

[Morgan Kingsley]

Old School Republican is the undisputed final word on Star Wars in these parts.  Please cease and desist.  The Last Jedi was a horrendous movie, the worst ever. 

I'm not a huge last jedi fan im just not very vocal on it

[Progressive Pessimist]

Palpatine never should have come back. Let Snoke and Kylo Ren be the new villains. Palpatine coming back in any way (other than a force ghost perhaps, I could maybe support that) makes Anakin's redemption and sacrifice moot.

The fact of the matter is, we have no control over how Kathleen Kennedy mishandled this trilogy. We sadly just have to accept it, there's no going back, especially with one of the original trilogy's main stars being deceased. We 'Star Wars' fans all had ideas throughout our lives of what could have been done with a new trilogy, and Lucasfilm dropped the Jedi-training ball in a colossal way. It's probably just better to ignore all of the other films since 'Return of the Jedi' instead of wracking our brains about all of the missed opportunities that were made with the series. 'Star Wars' is always better when it's simpler, and that's what the original trilogy was. That's also why 'The Mandalorian' is as successful as it is, and is the best thing to come out of Disney's acquisition of the property.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Old School Republican is the undisputed final word on Star Wars in these parts.  Please cease and desist.  The Last Jedi was a horrendous movie, the worst ever. 

I will be honored to be the Star Wars internet fandom’s representative on this forum

[Cowboys for Christ]

The best part of TLJ was the casino planet.