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Episode I - The Phantom Menace
 
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Episode II - Attack of the Clones
 
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Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
 
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Episode VII - The Force Awakens
 
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Rogue One
 
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Episode VIII - The Last Jedi
 
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Solo
 
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Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker
 
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« on: December 21, 2019, 07:38:41 PM »

Since one of the three (most likely one of the first two) original films would undoubtedly win this poll if I were to include them, I'm actually interested to see who you think is the best of the "lesser" films. All cinematic releases count for the purposes of this poll.
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2019, 07:41:07 PM »

The Force Awakens. To this day it feels new, charming, and authentically Star Wars, and I still cannot fathom how Rian Johnson managed to blow that level of potential.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2019, 09:48:41 PM »

The Force Awakens followed by The Last Jedi
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2019, 09:58:36 PM »
« Edited: December 21, 2019, 10:01:42 PM by Landslide Lyndon »

Rogue One. The second half of that movie can stand next to the best moments of the original trilogy.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2019, 10:01:21 PM »


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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2019, 10:01:42 PM »

ROTS is the best Star Wars movie just not best post OT movie
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2019, 10:41:20 PM »

Revenge of the Sith followed by The Clone Wars Movie, that's how simply revolting the entire franchise has been since the buyout [Dave Filoni's cartoons are the lone exception]. Even a poorly formatted TV Pilot is a better Star Wars movies than these big budget chunks of excrement.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2019, 11:07:36 PM »

Revenge of the Sith followed by The Clone Wars Movie, that's how simply revolting the entire franchise has been since the buyout [Dave Filoni's cartoons are the lone exception]. Even a poorly formatted TV Pilot is a better Star Wars movies than these big budget chunks of excrement.

ROTS is the best Star Wars movie just not best post OT movie

Both of these. Also the Force Awakens is utter trash; it’s literally just A New Hope but with different characters. Last Jedi is honestly the best of the sequel trilogy; at least it managed to be unique and take some risks.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2019, 11:33:19 PM »

Revenge of the Sith followed by The Clone Wars Movie, that's how simply revolting the entire franchise has been since the buyout [Dave Filoni's cartoons are the lone exception]. Even a poorly formatted TV Pilot is a better Star Wars movies than these big budget chunks of excrement.

ROTS is the best Star Wars movie just not best post OT movie

Both of these. Also the Force Awakens is utter trash; it’s literally just A New Hope but with different characters. Last Jedi is honestly the best of the sequel trilogy; at least it managed to be unique and take some risks.

Taking a bunch of obvious hinted plot threads and saying "hahahaahahahaah you thought x was gonna happen, well you were wrong b&*ch!" to 'em isn't risk, it's trolling.
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2019, 01:29:24 AM »

The Force Awakens is my favorite Star Wars film. Rey & Finn are great main characters. BB-8 is easily my favorite of the droids. Kylo Ren is probably the most complex villain of the movies. And all of our old favorites appear, too. I also loved the fast pace & how the lightsaber battles felt real.
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2019, 02:45:34 AM »

Excellent - 4, 5

Very Good - 6, 7

Above Average - 8

Average/Good - Rogue One, Solo

Below Average - 1, 2, 3, 9

Garbage - none
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2019, 03:09:58 AM »

Excellent - 4, 5, 6, 7

Very Good - 3, Rogue One, 8, 9

Above Average - 1, 2, Solo

Average/Good - none

Below Average - The Clone Wars

Garbage - none
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2019, 04:51:34 AM »

The Force Awakens is my favorite Star Wars film. Rey & Finn are great main characters. BB-8 is easily my favorite of the droids. Kylo Ren is probably the most complex villain of the movies. And all of our old favorites appear, too. I also loved the fast pace & how the lightsaber battles felt real.

Finn would be a great main character if they used him and not wasted him. Poe Dameron gets more respect than him [except in TLJ, where Rian Johnson decided to make him a Straw Michael Bay Character to be routed by Admiral "Worse-Than-Jar-Jar-Binks" Holdo character]. It's a shame, because he was the best and the last plot thread in this last movie was pretty good.

Rey is regrettably very much a Sue. I had hopes that the nerdier, dorkier moments would come out a bit more...but no, she's the stock hero. J.J., the deluded writer from the OT, RiJo, and the writer that f*(ked up Batman v Superman all tried having the cake and eating it too with her. It's a bummer, since Daisy Ridley was definitely acting the hardest.

And no, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader will ALWAYS be the most complex character as of now where villains are concerned. Oh sure, Ben had the chance to actually be complex, but that would've required him staying evil. He doesn't have the background revealed much at all...Snoke/Palpatine just turned him that way...and why? Because Luke was paranoid for a bit and decided to kill him?

As for the old favorites, therein is the problem, they ultimately are more interesting than the actual main characters [mostly 'cuz Finn and Poe were wasted and Rey had neither the struggles to learn like Luke nor the overconfidence and arrogance of Anakin].
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2019, 08:05:02 AM »

The Force Awakens is my favorite Star Wars film. Rey & Finn are great main characters. BB-8 is easily my favorite of the droids. Kylo Ren is probably the most complex villain of the movies. And all of our old favorites appear, too. I also loved the fast pace & how the lightsaber battles felt real.

Finn would be a great main character if they used him and not wasted him. Poe Dameron gets more respect than him [except in TLJ, where Rian Johnson decided to make him a Straw Michael Bay Character to be routed by Admiral "Worse-Than-Jar-Jar-Binks" Holdo character]. It's a shame, because he was the best and the last plot thread in this last movie was pretty good.

Neither Finn nor Poe were wasted. They learned & they grew, which is what everybody needs to do in their life.

Rey is regrettably very much a Sue. I had hopes that the nerdier, dorkier moments would come out a bit more...but no, she's the stock hero. J.J., the deluded writer from the OT, RiJo, and the writer that f*(ked up Batman v Superman all tried having the cake and eating it too with her. It's a bummer, since Daisy Ridley was definitely acting the hardest.

Rey isn't a Mary Sue. She has had a hero's journey &, yes, she does have flaws, so that "criticism" is just baseless. TFA, TLJ, & TROS clearly showed her journey, so if you're calling her a Mary Sue, then you just haven't been paying attention.

Through her rough life as a scavenger, she learned how to dream, evidenced by the scene where she dreams she's a pilot while wearing the Rebel pilot cap. She intuitively understood the Force &, without any dogma attached to the teaching thereof, learned how to directly channel the Will of the Force in alignment with her own will. Plus, she was constantly tempted by the dark side, her own shadow.

Yes, she's incredibly Force-sensitive (perhaps, having Palpatine's lineage & all, the most Force-sensitive person ever, certainly in the current canon), but that doesn't make her a Mary Sue. It makes her powerful. That's it. She was (initially) wrong about Kylo, she was wrong about Luke, she underestimated Snoke, she had an awful life before she met Finn wherein she struggled every day just to eat, she couldn't beat Kylo in a duel, she lost control of her power & got traumatized for thinking she killed Chewie, she lost control of herself again with Kylo & Leia had to intervene, & she was outmatched by Palpatine & needed Ben's saber to beat him.

So, a Mary Sue? No, watch the movies & pay attention.

And no, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader will ALWAYS be the most complex character as of now where villains are concerned. Oh sure, Ben had the chance to actually be complex, but that would've required him staying evil. He doesn't have the background revealed much at all...Snoke/Palpatine just turned him that way...and why? Because Luke was paranoid for a bit and decided to kill him?

Kylo is much more complex than Vader. He was constantly trying to push down his good side in order to become darker. It's what he (initially) did with Han & Luke, & almost did (but couldn't bring himself to do it) in TLJ with Leia (who would've had the Han role in TROS had Carrie Fisher lived). Vader wasn't like that. He sort of just fell into darkness. Kylo actually wanted it & committed actions to bring him further into the darkness, despite his conscious telling him not to do so. As an example, Vader killing Obi-Wan so as to kill (who he thought was) the last Jedi has nowhere near the same amount of meaning behind it as Kylo attempting to kill Luke out of hatred & utterly destroy his past, which was one of the only things still left trying to pull him back to goodness.

Now, yes, Vader, on the other hand, was a good villain, but he wasn't a particularly compelling character until maybe the end of ROTJ, & then (of course) the prequels. He was very one-dimensional in ANH & ESB, & while the context of the prequels changes those scenes for us now, original viewers would've just seen him as he was written, which was not super compelling. Iconic, absolutely. Scary, yes. But simply put, Kylo is a more fleshed-out character whose wants & needs are more complex than Vader's were.

As for the old favorites, therein is the problem, they ultimately are more interesting than the actual main characters

I disagree. IMO, the new characters were well-written enough to anchor me to the new story while including the original characters in such fashions that don't waste their narrative potential.

[mostly 'cuz Finn and Poe were wasted and Rey had neither the struggles to learn like Luke nor the overconfidence and arrogance of Anakin].

See all of the above.
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2019, 08:18:45 AM »

Honestly thinking about it, probably The Last Jedi

The first two prequels are wank, with the memes, a few action scenes and the soundtrack being all that's good.

Revenge of the Sith is a lot better and has a lot of really great scenes, but equally as many really dumb ones as well. Overall I like it but its hard to call it a good movie.

The animated Clone Wars (if it counts) is obviously terrible.

The Force Awakens is boring, unimaginative, flat, dull and uninteresting trash. Every time I think about it I hate it a bit more. Every problem with the Sequel Trilogy comes down to JJ's refusal to create an original story and some interesting characters in this film.

Rogue One is okay. It looks, sounds and feels great but the characters are dull and this is a big problem. The Darth Vader scene bangs.

The Last Jedi is far from a perfect movie and there's a large amount of sh!t that just doesn't work. But I appreciate the attempts to make the characters feel more flawed and human, I appreciate the (relative) originality of the story, I think Mark Hamill and Adam Driver in particular do exceptionally... so yeah, I think I like it the most out of the ones that are here. Which speaks to their overall quality of course rather than the quality of this movie...

Solo is also okay. Actor who's name I can't be bothered to try and spell does a really good job, the idea of looking at the Star Wars universe away from the big bombastic Jedi elements is done really well and I like the relationship between Solo and the guy played by Woody Harrelson but the other characters are a bit dull and it looks really bad at times. Overall its okay.

The Rise of Skywalker is also okay. The list of sh!t that doesn't make sense is probably longer than the London-Edinburgh railway line, but I felt the character work, emotional depth and overall story worked well enough. It felt at least somewhat satisfying, even though it only takes prodding the movie the tiniest bit for it to fall apart completely. Still, far from the trainwreck everyone thinks.

So, yeah... Last Jedi I think. None of these come anything like close to the OT of course, and I think the idea of Star Wars' future being on TV is probably the right one. I'd love to see something completely disconnected from the current storyline but set in the same universe - whether The Mouse sees that as commercially viable is another thing entirely.
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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2019, 09:45:28 AM »

Attack of the Clones!
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2019, 10:16:05 AM »
« Edited: December 22, 2019, 10:21:19 AM by Trends are real, and I f**king hate it »

Revenge of the Sith and it's not even remotely close.


ROTS is the best Star Wars movie just not best post OT movie

Wow, I can't believe we agree on this on all things. (I think there are valid arguments for ESB or RotJ as well, but RotS is still my personal favorite.)
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2019, 08:34:30 PM »

1. Rogue One.
2. Solo.
3. Revenge of the Sith.
4. The Force Awakens.
5. The Last Jedi.
6. Attack of the Clones.
7. The Phantom Menace.

As frustrating as the sequel trilogy has been with their lack of planning and lack of originality, at least they are, at a surface level, more entertaining than Episodes I and II. That could change though, I still have yet to see 'Rise of Skywalker' (I might finally see it next week). I expect that one to fall either ahead of or behind 'The Last Jedi' though.

I do like the standalone anthology films though. They are also quite flawed, but since they are mostly self-contained I think they work better. I would like to see more of those, but given the financial flop that was 'Solo' and the massive success that 'The Mandalorian' has been, I expect that Disney and Lucasfilm will be focusing more on Disney Plus exclusive TV series. That's probably for the best, they have more time to do more and for less money.

I finally watched the first four episodes of 'The Mandalorian' with my friend yesterday actually, it's better than everything Disney has made so far since acquiring the franchise. It lived up to the hype for now (Baby Yoda is the most brilliant character to have come out of the series from a marketing point of view), I hear it takes a bit of a dip in quality with episode five though. So, we'll see if my esteem for it remains. I've become used to conflicting opinions with this franchise. I'll probably be able to watch the second half of the season next time I go over to his place to leech off of him since I don't have, or want (still) Disney Plus. I guess that could suggest that I am not that invested in the show though, if I am able to be patient about resuming it.
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2019, 09:08:21 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2019, 01:22:16 AM »

Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One are the only answers I'm willing to consider. I'm going to go with RotS because it's not sullied by being part of the Disney Wars (all credit to Smiling John for that phrase) era.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2019, 06:53:51 AM »

All three Prequels are better than every other movie on that list, and I f**king hate the prequels.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2019, 07:04:17 AM »

The Force Awakens, but other than the original trilogy I've only watched I, II and VII.
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2019, 02:14:21 AM »

Excellent - 4, 5, 6

Very Good - 3, Solo, 9 (not sure which of these I'd pick as my favorite)

Good - 1, 7, Rogue One

Meh - 2, 8

Garbage - none (the B-plots of 8 and the Padme/Anakin romance of 2 come close, though)
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2019, 11:28:06 AM »

Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One are the only answers I'm willing to consider.

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