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« Reply #825 on: December 29, 2021, 05:11:19 PM »

Just for clarity of the court rejects the map either fully or in part, who draws the new lines? Does it get thrown back to the legislature or does the court do it? What’s to say the legistlature won’t just do something nasty again?
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« Reply #826 on: December 29, 2021, 05:17:32 PM »

Just for clarity of the court rejects the map either fully or in part, who draws the new lines? Does it get thrown back to the legislature or does the court do it? What’s to say the legistlature won’t just do something nasty again?
It goes back to the legislature.
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« Reply #827 on: December 29, 2021, 05:18:06 PM »
« Edited: December 29, 2021, 05:31:31 PM by Oryxslayer »

Just for clarity of the court rejects the map either fully or in part, who draws the new lines? Does it get thrown back to the legislature or does the court do it? What’s to say the legistlature won’t just do something nasty again?

It is explicit that the State leg lines go back to the leg and commission, with court advice and supervision. Notably the court could order full remaps of the legislative lines even if only a few of the districts are found in error, given that this is a simple majority map. Also the opinion will likely be fast, given that LaRose has asked for there to be clear guidance and results in time for the primaries.

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« Reply #828 on: December 29, 2021, 05:23:19 PM »

Just for clarity of the court rejects the map either fully or in part, who draws the new lines? Does it get thrown back to the legislature or does the court do it? What’s to say the legistlature won’t just do something nasty again?

It is explicit that the State leg lines go back to the commission, with court advice and supervision.

But not explicit for Congressional lines?
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« Reply #829 on: December 29, 2021, 05:25:38 PM »

Just for clarity of the court rejects the map either fully or in part, who draws the new lines? Does it get thrown back to the legislature or does the court do it? What’s to say the legistlature won’t just do something nasty again?

It is explicit that the State leg lines go back to the commission, with court advice and supervision.

But not explicit for Congressional lines?

Congressional is whatever the court wants, likely a special master
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« Reply #830 on: December 30, 2021, 05:49:17 PM »

The GOP is really fighting a losing battle in the Cincinnati area. They should’ve just drawn a compact Hamilton seat and not have jeopardized their entire map in the process.

It was the desire to over satisfy incumbents. A clermont + Hamilton minus the black suburbs would be pretty similar to the Pittsburgh seat and a bit more defendable.



The suburban seat here is problematic for the future as its only Trump +12 and trending left quickly but it should be fine to 2024 obviously. Still a gerrymander although one could stretch  it to reasonably compact
If there's one thing that has been repeatedly underestimated on this board, tbh, it's been the willingness of legislators to accept the desires of incumbents.

Yeah now these incumbents can cry when they don't have any seats to run in instead of just taking the above.

Yeah, unlike the VA Special Masters, who "told" incumbents to go F themselves.
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« Reply #831 on: January 04, 2022, 09:42:42 PM »

Might have been asked, but when are we expecting a verdict?
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« Reply #832 on: January 04, 2022, 09:59:18 PM »

Might have been asked, but when are we expecting a verdict?

Fast, given that LaRose requested an expedited process to preserve filing and primary deadlines, but nothing exact.
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« Reply #833 on: January 07, 2022, 06:43:38 AM »

https://davesredistricting.org/join/2e77aa2a-3e57-4946-bafc-9cd1c683e690
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« Reply #834 on: January 12, 2022, 03:31:52 PM »



Step one done. Full remap.

"The Court ordered the commission to adopt a new plan within 10 days that conforms with the Ohio Constitution. The Court stated it will retain jurisdiction “to review the plan that the commission adopts for compliance with our order.”

Main point is on section 6, and ordered to draw a map that reflects the state's partisanship:

“The Ohio redistricting commission shall attempt to draw a general assembly district plan that meets all of the following standards:

(A) No general assembly district plan shall be drawn primarily to favor or disfavor a political party.
(B) The statewide proportion of districts whose voters, based on statewide state and federal partisan general election results during the last ten years, favor each political party shall correspond closely to the statewide preferences of the voters of Ohio.
(C) General assembly districts shall be compact.”

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« Reply #835 on: January 12, 2022, 03:33:03 PM »


Step one done. Full remap.

"The Court ordered the commission to adopt a new plan within 10 days that conforms with the Ohio Constitution. The Court stated it will retain jurisdiction “to review the plan that the commission adopts for compliance with our order.”

Main point is on section 6, and ordered to draw a map that reflects the state's partisanship:

“The Ohio redistricting commission shall attempt to draw a general assembly district plan that meets all of the following standards:

(A) No general assembly district plan shall be drawn primarily to favor or disfavor a political party.
(B) The statewide proportion of districts whose voters, based on statewide state and federal partisan general election results during the last ten years, favor each political party shall correspond closely to the statewide preferences of the voters of Ohio.
(C) General assembly districts shall be compact.”


Thank God. What about the congressional map?
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« Reply #836 on: January 12, 2022, 03:34:57 PM »

I would guess the Congressional map is next.
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« Reply #837 on: January 12, 2022, 03:35:25 PM »

SNIP

Thank God. What about the congressional map?

Separate suit. Though the wording of the majority opinion all but guarantees a full remap ordered there.
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« Reply #838 on: January 12, 2022, 03:37:04 PM »

Proportionality is kinda becoming a nationwide metric to go by if it goes through the courts.
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« Reply #839 on: January 12, 2022, 03:40:12 PM »

Hahaha, rip Chabot. Hopefully the OHSC orders a full congressional remap as well and we get another winnable seat out of Cleveland, Columbus, or both.
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« Reply #840 on: January 12, 2022, 03:44:06 PM »

Hahaha, rip Chabot. Hopefully the OHSC orders a full congressional remap as well and we get another winnable seat out of Cleveland, Columbus, or both.

If the court does the same thing, and makes proportionality under Section 6 their focus of scrutiny on the congressional plan, then we are all but guaranteed to see the Akron, Cincinnati, and second Columbus seats, as well as a much better Toledo one.
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« Reply #841 on: January 12, 2022, 03:45:28 PM »

Hahaha, rip Chabot. Hopefully the OHSC orders a full congressional remap as well and we get another winnable seat out of Cleveland, Columbus, or both.

If the court does the same thing, and makes proportionality under Section 6 their focus of scrutiny on the congressional plan, then we are all but guaranteed to see the Akron, Cincinnati, and second Columbus seats, as well as a much better Toledo one.

The Toledo seat should be D tilting under the metrics used I think.
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« Reply #842 on: January 12, 2022, 03:53:56 PM »

Hahaha, rip Chabot. Hopefully the OHSC orders a full congressional remap as well and we get another winnable seat out of Cleveland, Columbus, or both.

If the court does the same thing, and makes proportionality under Section 6 their focus of scrutiny on the congressional plan, then we are all but guaranteed to see the Akron, Cincinnati, and second Columbus seats, as well as a much better Toledo one.

The Toledo seat should be D tilting under the metrics used I think.

Depends upon if it goes north - that would be safe - or south/east for competitive, but that's semantics. At the end of the day, a full remap for proportionality would make massive changes. Also the court ordered this remap done in 10 days. One can only assume it will seize power and call in a master if the commission keeps politiking.
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« Reply #843 on: January 12, 2022, 04:33:17 PM »

Hopefully the new map is 10-5 or better yet 9-6.
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« Reply #844 on: January 12, 2022, 05:07:46 PM »

Also wow Ohio redistricting for legislative maps have some of the most dumbass County split rules possible. The congressional ones are one with mostly just keep counties whole and no double crosses but Jesus christ the legislative ones are awful.
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« Reply #845 on: January 12, 2022, 05:13:26 PM »

Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor basically writes a campaign add for amending the structure of the commission.

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« Reply #846 on: January 12, 2022, 05:36:41 PM »

Hahaha, rip Chabot. Hopefully the OHSC orders a full congressional remap as well and we get another winnable seat out of Cleveland, Columbus, or both.

If the court does the same thing, and makes proportionality under Section 6 their focus of scrutiny on the congressional plan, then we are all but guaranteed to see the Akron, Cincinnati, and second Columbus seats, as well as a much better Toledo one.


As to CD's, the exact same not unduly favors language is in the Florida and NY Constitutions. If Ohio goes for a strict proportionality metric, and the other two state high courts do not, that would be ... interesting. When it comes to redistricting, imprecise feel good words are ... highly problematical.
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« Reply #847 on: January 12, 2022, 05:42:10 PM »


Step one done. Full remap.

"The Court ordered the commission to adopt a new plan within 10 days that conforms with the Ohio Constitution. The Court stated it will retain jurisdiction “to review the plan that the commission adopts for compliance with our order.”

Main point is on section 6, and ordered to draw a map that reflects the state's partisanship:

“The Ohio redistricting commission shall attempt to draw a general assembly district plan that meets all of the following standards:

(A) No general assembly district plan shall be drawn primarily to favor or disfavor a political party.
(B) The statewide proportion of districts whose voters, based on statewide state and federal partisan general election results during the last ten years, favor each political party shall correspond closely to the statewide preferences of the voters of Ohio.
(C) General assembly districts shall be compact.”


Ohio GOP, congratulations, you played yourselves.
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« Reply #848 on: January 12, 2022, 05:47:09 PM »

When's the decision on congressional maps expected?
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« Reply #849 on: January 12, 2022, 05:57:20 PM »

Hopefully the new map is 10-5 or better yet 9-6.


Based on the language in the order it looks like they’ll want a 9-6, if not an 8-7, map.
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