Ohio redistricting thread

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

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OH fair map I made.
I sought to draw what I thought were good CoI in NE OH. The funky lines in the Columbus were driven by the desire to have just three districts containing parts of the "doughnut" around Franklin County. Compactness was broadly favored.
The 8th is only -2 in deviation from quota, which I feel proud about.
DRA marks disproportionality as 5.95% in favor of the GOP.

A map that respects CoI probably keeps Butler and Warren together.

The way you worded it shows you agree it's not an absolute rule, no?
There are things that matter besides "Butler and Warren are together".

[Tekken_Guy]

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OH fair map I made.
I sought to draw what I thought were good CoI in NE OH. The funky lines in the Columbus were driven by the desire to have just three districts containing parts of the "doughnut" around Franklin County. Compactness was broadly favored.
The 8th is only -2 in deviation from quota, which I feel proud about.
DRA marks disproportionality as 5.95% in favor of the GOP.

A map that respects CoI probably keeps Butler and Warren together.

The way you worded it shows you agree it's not an absolute rule, no?
There are things that matter besides "Butler and Warren are together".

It’s not a rule. Just a suggestion.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

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OH fair map I made.
I sought to draw what I thought were good CoI in NE OH. The funky lines in the Columbus were driven by the desire to have just three districts containing parts of the "doughnut" around Franklin County. Compactness was broadly favored.
The 8th is only -2 in deviation from quota, which I feel proud about.
DRA marks disproportionality as 5.95% in favor of the GOP.

A map that respects CoI probably keeps Butler and Warren together.

The way you worded it shows you agree it's not an absolute rule, no?
There are things that matter besides "Butler and Warren are together".

It’s not a rule. Just a suggestion.

I see.
What I'm concerned about is what putting Butler and Warren together might do to metro Columbus, and if I force the 8th out far enough, it might force weird lines and meandering around Metro Dayton+the 3rd and 12th.
Apologies if I sounded overly gruff.

[Tekken_Guy]

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OH fair map I made.
I sought to draw what I thought were good CoI in NE OH. The funky lines in the Columbus were driven by the desire to have just three districts containing parts of the "doughnut" around Franklin County. Compactness was broadly favored.
The 8th is only -2 in deviation from quota, which I feel proud about.
DRA marks disproportionality as 5.95% in favor of the GOP.

A map that respects CoI probably keeps Butler and Warren together.

The way you worded it shows you agree it's not an absolute rule, no?
There are things that matter besides "Butler and Warren are together".

It’s not a rule. Just a suggestion.

I see.
What I'm concerned about is what putting Butler and Warren together might do to metro Columbus, and if I force the 8th out far enough, it might force weird lines and meandering around Metro Dayton+the 3rd and 12th.
Apologies if I sound overly gruff.

Just redraw the maps.

[Tekken_Guy]

Here’s a fair map I made. If there are any issues, let me know.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/398616e9-19f6-40a2-84ff-0f692af8aa7e

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I've done some further edits. These changes impacted 8 of 15 seats, though in the case of one district, it was merely to put in one precinct split for reasons of compliance with Ohio law.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Here’s a fair map I made. If there are any issues, let me know.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/398616e9-19f6-40a2-84ff-0f692af8aa7e

Those 6th and 4th districts are one-of-a-kind. Never seen such a district before.

[Tekken_Guy]

Here’s a fair map I made. If there are any issues, let me know.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/398616e9-19f6-40a2-84ff-0f692af8aa7e

Those 6th and 4th districts are one-of-a-kind. Never seen such a district before.

The 4th district is quite ugly given you’re trying to keep Jim Jordan and Warren Davidson in separate seats. They live in counties that are adjacent to each other. It’d be a lot cleaner if putting them together was not an issue.

[Tekken_Guy]

I've done some further edits. These changes impacted 8 of 15 seats, though in the case of one district, it was merely to put in one precinct split for reasons of compliance with Ohio law.

The 12th can be made more competitive if it scoops into South Franklin and drops some deep blue parts to the 3rd.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I've done some further edits. These changes impacted 8 of 15 seats, though in the case of one district, it was merely to put in one precinct split for reasons of compliance with Ohio law.

The 12th can be made more competitive if it scoops into South Franklin and drops some deep blue parts to the 3rd.

That would make both the 12th and 3rd less compact. I'm stressing compactness, less county and township splits, and other types of CoI anyway, though I have expended some effort in making the map D-friendly on the margins due to Rs having significantly more solid seats, when it does not majorly disfavor any of those three goals. My Toledo CD is an example of such a move.

this is the latest iteration.

[TJ in Oregon]

I've done some further edits. These changes impacted 8 of 15 seats, though in the case of one district, it was merely to put in one precinct split for reasons of compliance with Ohio law.

The 12th can be made more competitive if it scoops into South Franklin and drops some deep blue parts to the 3rd.

That would make both the 12th and 3rd less compact. I'm stressing compactness, less county and township splits, and other types of CoI anyway, though I have expended some effort in making the map D-friendly on the margins due to Rs having significantly more solid seats, when it does not majorly disfavor any of those three goals. My Toledo CD is an example of such a move.

this is the latest iteration.

Your OH-9 breaks the Ohio constitution because it neither contains a whole county nor is entirely contained within a single county. A compliant map that only has 2 districts in Cuyahoga and attaches Lorain cannot be drawn.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I've done some further edits. These changes impacted 8 of 15 seats, though in the case of one district, it was merely to put in one precinct split for reasons of compliance with Ohio law.

The 12th can be made more competitive if it scoops into South Franklin and drops some deep blue parts to the 3rd.

That would make both the 12th and 3rd less compact. I'm stressing compactness, less county and township splits, and other types of CoI anyway, though I have expended some effort in making the map D-friendly on the margins due to Rs having significantly more solid seats, when it does not majorly disfavor any of those three goals. My Toledo CD is an example of such a move.

this is the latest iteration.

Your OH-9 breaks the Ohio constitution because it neither contains a whole county nor is entirely contained within a single county. A compliant map that only has 2 districts in Cuyahoga and attaches Lorain cannot be drawn.

That used to be my understanding of it, but I've since heard conflicting information.
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=351688.msg8332637#msg8332637

[Stuart98]

I've done some further edits. These changes impacted 8 of 15 seats, though in the case of one district, it was merely to put in one precinct split for reasons of compliance with Ohio law.

The 12th can be made more competitive if it scoops into South Franklin and drops some deep blue parts to the 3rd.

That would make both the 12th and 3rd less compact. I'm stressing compactness, less county and township splits, and other types of CoI anyway, though I have expended some effort in making the map D-friendly on the margins due to Rs having significantly more solid seats, when it does not majorly disfavor any of those three goals. My Toledo CD is an example of such a move.

this is the latest iteration.

Your OH-9 breaks the Ohio constitution because it neither contains a whole county nor is entirely contained within a single county. A compliant map that only has 2 districts in Cuyahoga and attaches Lorain cannot be drawn.

That used to be my understanding of it, but I've since heard conflicting information.
https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=351688.msg8332637#msg8332637

lfromnj is wrong about there being "no such rule", but it is phrased weakly ("shall attempt to" rather than just "shall").

(B)( 8 ) The authority drawing the districts shall attempt to include at least one whole county in each congressional district. This division does not apply to a congressional district that is contained entirely within one county or that cannot be drawn in that manner while complying with federal law.

[Biden his time]

I tried my hand at a fair congressional map of Ohio using the 2020 census results.

Image Link

The Population Deviation is less than 0.01%.

66/100 on Dave's Proportionality Index
78/100 on the Compactness Index
61/100 on County Splitting
50/100 on the Minority Representation index
40/100 on Dave's competitiveness index

The map above shows results from the 2020 U.S. Presidential election in Ohio.

Check it out here and see county and municipality boundaries.


Partisan Breakdown by Election

2016 U.S. Senate Election in Ohio: 13R to 2D

2016 U.S. Presidential Election in Ohio: 10R to 5D

2018 Ohio Attorney General Election: 9R to 6D

2018 U.S. Senate Election in Ohio: 9D to 6R

2018 Ohio Gubernatorial Election: 8R to 7D

2020 U.S. Presidential Election in Ohio: 9R to 6D


One plurality-Black district in Cleveland (by both VAP and population) and another in Columbus with a significant Black minority (31.5% VAP, 35.2% Population)


Opinions?

[Padfoot]

Assuming the OSC rules that the map needs to be rebalanced to have fewer safe/lean GOP districts, here is my first attempt at a "least change" proposal.

[Tekken_Guy]

Assuming the OSC rules that the map needs to be rebalanced to have fewer safe/lean GOP districts, here is my first attempt at a "least change" proposal.

Can I see it on DRA?

[Padfoot]

Assuming the OSC rules that the map needs to be rebalanced to have fewer safe/lean GOP districts, here is my first attempt at a "least change" proposal.

Can I see it on DRA?

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[Torie]

One does not know if "unduly" means  merely not to gerrymander to favor one party, or it means one, within reason, must gerrymander against a party to make the party split on the CD's in the map more reflective of the party split in the state as a whole, to wit more proportional. I believe it will more likely be the former, but in any event the Pubs need good talking points for each choice that they make that does not make the map more proportional.

The language attempt to have one whole county in a district I interpret to mean where there isn't a whole county in a CD, that there were no reasonable map alternatives available to effect it.

And of course, as to Tim's map, there are it seems reasonable alternatives, which lose the Lorrain County chop, and switch it out for OH-13 chopping into Cuyahoga taking Chagrin Falls, and OH-15 taking a nip of Carroll County. So I suspect Tim’s map in this respect is most probably illegal.*

* Tim appears to have a  metric that ignores population deviations of less than 1,000 to lose chops, but that does not comport with the law either.



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[President Punxsutawney Phil]

One does not know if "unduly" means  merely not to gerrymander to favor one party, or it means one, within reason, must gerrymander against a party to make the party split on the CD's in the map more reflective of the party split in the state as a whole, to wit more proportional. I believe it will more likely be the former, but in any event the Pubs need good talking points for each choice that they make that does not make the map more proportional.

The language attempt to have one whole county in a district I interpret to mean where there isn't a whole county in a CD, that there were no reasonable map alternatives available to effect it.

And of course, as to Tim's map, there are it seems reasonable alternatives, which lose the Lorrain County chop, and switch it out for OH-13 chopping into Cuyahoga taking Chagrin Falls, and OH-15 taking a nip of Carroll County. So I suspect Tim’s map in this respect is most probably illegal.*

* Tim appears to have a  metric that ignores population deviations of less than 1,000 to lose chops, but that does not comport with the law either.



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My views in this stem from a relatively strict reading of provisions designed to keep municipal government units together, a reading of that I put into effect even at the expense of minute deviations.
That being said your reading of the county splitting law sounds reasonable and I have restored all of Lorain being in the 9th.

[Oryxslayer]

The inevitable lawsuit has arrived.

https://twitter.com/sophlin229/status/1466066594090692608?s=20

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

The inevitable lawsuit has arrived.

https://twitter.com/sophlin229/status/1466066594090692608?s=20

Dems are going to regret this in 2026 when the court is more republican and the rs draw a more aggressive gerrymander

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The inevitable lawsuit has arrived.

https://twitter.com/sophlin229/status/1466066594090692608?s=20

Dems are going to regret this in 2026 when the court is more republican and the rs draw a more aggressive gerrymander

No, they won’t; this could be our last shot at even remotely fair maps here for a generation.  There’s absolutely nothing to lose. 

[BoiseBoy]

https://twitter.com/jbalmert/status/1466905585966796801?s=20

[Gass3268]

Not looking great for the maps

https://twitter.com/andy_chow/status/1468619258846273544?s=20

[Roll Roons]

https://twitter.com/OHSupremeCourt/status/1475504301212680202