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« Reply #4950 on: June 23, 2022, 08:49:27 AM »

On the matter of Great Grandparents and politics, it always amuses me to recall that Grandad's parents (DMA, ILP and Primitive Methodist) will both have voted against Anthony Eden when he stood at Spennymoor in 1922 and produced some of the most ill-advised leaflets in the history of British election literature: he stressed that he personally knew most of the major coal-owners in the area, apparently quite unaware that this came across as a ham-fisted threat!

My great-great-grandfather worked at Spennymoor before finally moving up to Tyneside. Around twenty years before then though.

Mine lived in Willington, where all the men for about a century worked down (and were ultimately, one way or another though usually the slow way, killed as a result of doing so) Brancepeth Colliery, the pit heap of which loomed over the town like a stratovolcano.

When you consider the population of the area now it's crazy to think that there were enough people in that stretch of Durham for a full-sized parliamentary constituency, but there were. Not quite Abertillery* levels of 'a place that people left' but not so far off either.

*Where as it happens a branch on the other side of the family lived until the 1920s...

IIRC there were villages in County Durham which were basically designated by the County Council for abandonment and demolition.  Were some of those in this area?
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« Reply #4951 on: June 23, 2022, 08:59:55 AM »

On the matter of Great Grandparents and politics, it always amuses me to recall that Grandad's parents (DMA, ILP and Primitive Methodist) will both have voted against Anthony Eden when he stood at Spennymoor in 1922 and produced some of the most ill-advised leaflets in the history of British election literature: he stressed that he personally knew most of the major coal-owners in the area, apparently quite unaware that this came across as a ham-fisted threat!

My great-great-grandfather worked at Spennymoor before finally moving up to Tyneside. Around twenty years before then though.

Mine lived in Willington, where all the men for about a century worked down (and were ultimately, one way or another though usually the slow way, killed as a result of doing so) Brancepeth Colliery, the pit heap of which loomed over the town like a stratovolcano.

When you consider the population of the area now it's crazy to think that there were enough people in that stretch of Durham for a full-sized parliamentary constituency, but there were. Not quite Abertillery* levels of 'a place that people left' but not so far off either.

*Where as it happens a branch on the other side of the family lived until the 1920s...

IIRC there were villages in County Durham which were basically designated by the County Council for abandonment and demolition.  Were some of those in this area?

Durham County Council's development plan used to designate some villages as category D, where new capital development was to avoided. There's a partial map at https://mattjamessmith.com/content/the-category-d-villages-of-durham

A quick glance suggests that relatively few of those were around Spennymoor and Willington, though, with the biggest concentration around Blaydon.
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« Reply #4952 on: June 23, 2022, 09:29:06 AM »

Yes, there were a reasonable number in the area but not as many as in some other parts of West Durham. The tendency was for large pits (e.g. Brancepeth was one of the largest collieries in the county away from the massive pits on the coast and along the Tyne, this despite being sunk in the 1840s) and for sizeable towns to have grown up around them, and depopulation was centered on the towns. For instance, Willington UD had a population of about nine thousand in the 1920s and the equivalent area (Willington plus the village of Oakenshaw) comes to around about five and a half thousand. Some towns have lost even greater shares: Tow Law's population has halved since the 1920s.
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« Reply #4953 on: June 23, 2022, 03:18:01 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2022, 05:33:37 PM by GoTfan »

One of the best things so far of the last few days has been seeing RMT General Secretary Mick Lynch ripping the media to shreds.
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« Reply #4954 on: June 23, 2022, 05:34:09 PM »

🚨 Lib Dem by-election gain… 🚨

…in North Shropshire

Council by-election today has resulted in a Lib Dem pickup.
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« Reply #4955 on: June 23, 2022, 07:03:15 PM »


Actually South Shropshire, about as far south as you can go. The resigning incumbent was a Local Independent For Local People type: personal views rather right-wing, though as always with such politicians that's a detail.
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« Reply #4956 on: June 23, 2022, 09:28:38 PM »


Actually South Shropshire, about as far south as you can go. The resigning incumbent was a Local Independent For Local People type: personal views rather right-wing, though as always with such politicians that's a detail.

The seat had also been Lib Dem before the resigning Independent came along, so this isn't that shocking.
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« Reply #4957 on: June 23, 2022, 10:15:48 PM »

Whelp, both by-elections were thumping losses for the Tories. Lets see how BoJo convinces the backbenchers to save his job this time.
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« Reply #4958 on: June 24, 2022, 12:33:21 AM »


Conservative Party Chariman has resigned
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« Reply #4959 on: June 24, 2022, 01:30:23 AM »

Raab has apparently pulled out of his usual thing of hacking for BJ on the morning television programmes. Hmm.
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« Reply #4960 on: June 24, 2022, 02:13:51 AM »

So, Johnson has written back to Dowden, basically telling him that he accepts the resignation, but actually it’s totally normal to lose two by-elections and a cabinet minister within 4 hours, and we should carry on as normal because he won a lot of seats in 2019. Quite surreal.

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« Reply #4961 on: June 24, 2022, 02:21:26 AM »

The poor person having to draft that in a hotel room in Rwanda.
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« Reply #4962 on: June 24, 2022, 02:24:51 AM »

A thought- the Conservatives committed around £35 billion in public spending recently to ‘tackle’ the energy and price crisis.

It appears to have made no difference to their polling and the support isn’t designed in a way to get them credit- they should have done a debit card with ‘Rishi dollars’ on it.
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« Reply #4963 on: June 24, 2022, 02:33:49 AM »

Hot take, I could see the Tories falling below 200 seats next election.
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« Reply #4964 on: June 24, 2022, 02:49:22 AM »

Peston suggesting that Sunak resigning isn't beyond the realm of possibility.
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« Reply #4965 on: June 24, 2022, 05:38:21 AM »

Polling from Wakefield floating voters on their reasons for voting. Going to be interesting to see whether this actually affects the party leadership fight, or if they follow the PM’s lead and just bury their heads in the sand.
 
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« Reply #4966 on: June 24, 2022, 05:47:21 AM »

In Tory grandee news, former leader Michael Howard has called for Johnson to resign and for cabinet members to threaten to quit to try and speed it up. 

Not the biggest voice in the party, but when combined with William Hague, who went public with his criticisms earlier in the month, it seems like there’s definitely some movement from silence to open resistance from the old leaders. Both are in the Lords, so will be interesting to see if this produces any noise there.
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« Reply #4967 on: June 24, 2022, 05:50:10 AM »

In Tory grandee news, former leader Michael Howard has called for Johnson to resign and for cabinet members to threaten to quit to try and speed it up. 

Not the biggest voice in the party, but when combined with William Hague, who went public with his criticisms earlier in the month, it seems like there’s definitely some movement from silence to open resistance from the old leaders. Both are in the Lords, so will be interesting to see if this produces any noise there.

It's possible that every living former leader wants him to go. Aside from Howard and Hague, Major almost certainly would want to see the back of him, IDS possibly voted against him in the confidence vote, May certainly did and Cameron despises him for going against him in the EU referendum.
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« Reply #4968 on: June 24, 2022, 06:11:45 AM »

Polling from Wakefield floating voters on their reasons for voting. Going to be interesting to see whether this actually affects the party leadership fight, or if they follow the PM’s lead and just bury their heads in the sand.
 

The interesting thing about those results is that it suggests Boris Johnson was even more of a drag on the Tory vote than a convicted sex offender.
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« Reply #4969 on: June 24, 2022, 08:51:55 AM »

Whelp, both by-elections were thumping losses for the Tories. Lets see how BoJo convinces the backbenchers to save his job this time.

Well, he's not due to face another VONC until next summer. I know that can be changed, but it needs to be done at the right time and way - some MPs maybe wish they had delayed their letters now.
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« Reply #4970 on: June 24, 2022, 08:55:11 AM »

Whelp, both by-elections were thumping losses for the Tories. Lets see how BoJo convinces the backbenchers to save his job this time.

Well, he's not due to face another VONC until next summer. I know that can be changed, but it needs to be done at the right time and way - some MPs maybe wish they had delayed their letters now.

There's a possibility that the 54 was reached due to Johnson allies putting letters in as a way of having the vote at a somewhat better time. A risk, yes, but a risk that has apparently paid off for now. And he likes risks.
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« Reply #4971 on: June 24, 2022, 09:06:37 AM »

Whelp, both by-elections were thumping losses for the Tories. Lets see how BoJo convinces the backbenchers to save his job this time.

Well, he's not due to face another VONC until next summer. I know that can be changed, but it needs to be done at the right time and way - some MPs maybe wish they had delayed their letters now.

There's a possibility that the 54 was reached due to Johnson allies putting letters in as a way of having the vote at a somewhat better time. A risk, yes, but a risk that has apparently paid off for now. And he likes risks.


I think this has been debunked several times since it was first suggested back in January.
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« Reply #4972 on: June 24, 2022, 07:25:14 PM »

You know, someone should just put a sword up the arse of that fat c**nt. Jesus Christ it takes longer to remove CEO's in slowly failing family firms. Can someone not just give the pig a good sh**tting.
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« Reply #4973 on: June 25, 2022, 04:28:05 AM »

You know, someone should just put a sword up the arse of that fat c**nt. Jesus Christ it takes longer to remove CEO's in slowly failing family firms. Can someone not just give the pig a good sh**tting.

Mind if I borrow that line?
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« Reply #4974 on: June 25, 2022, 05:38:27 AM »

You know, someone should just put a sword up the arse of that fat c**nt. Jesus Christ it takes longer to remove CEO's in slowly failing family firms. Can someone not just give the pig a good sh**tting.

That's fine, but just don't tell David Cameron there's a dead pig newly available.
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