UK General Discussion:The Rt. Hon Alex Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, Populist Hero

[Blair]

I’m not the target audience but I listened to a small part of the new LBC/Global Podcast which has Emily Maitlis, John Sopel and Lewis Goodall- all ex BBC presenters.

It seemed very strange and the type of program for people who follow the politics but don’t follow it closely. I had hoped it would be more of a podcast about the news itself (e.g how the British media works etc etc) but it was just them interviewing the Mooch and talking about the US- is nothing happening in the U.K??

[Logical]

Shot
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1564882584227778562

Chaser
https://twitter.com/bmuhhh/status/1564949267889983488

Wagwan Boris is one of the funniest sentences I've ever heard.

[Cassius]

The rustler has joined the sheriffs.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Of course these moments of crisis have been common enough in modern British history, though this is the first since Black Wednesday to be to a large extent self-inflicted. It's right to be pessimistic about the short-term, but there's no reason to be for the future beyond that. We've been here before: younger posters might not be aware quite what an absolute state this country's public realm was in for most of the 1990s for instance.

Tories being in power for over a decade isn't a good thing.

[Pulaski]

Of course these moments of crisis have been common enough in modern British history, though this is the first since Black Wednesday to be to a large extent self-inflicted. It's right to be pessimistic about the short-term, but there's no reason to be for the future beyond that. We've been here before: younger posters might not be aware quite what an absolute state this country's public realm was in for most of the 1990s for instance.

Honestly for me this is just a cause for further pessimism; if voters don't remember the 90s, there's no reason to think they'll remember these times long-term, and won't learn the lesson that Tory governments bring the country to its knees every time they're in office.

[CumbrianLefty]

Of course these moments of crisis have been common enough in modern British history, though this is the first since Black Wednesday to be to a large extent self-inflicted. It's right to be pessimistic about the short-term, but there's no reason to be for the future beyond that. We've been here before: younger posters might not be aware quite what an absolute state this country's public realm was in for most of the 1990s for instance.

Honestly for me this is just a cause for further pessimism; if voters don't remember the 90s, there's no reason to think they'll remember these times long-term, and won't learn the lesson that Tory governments bring the country to its knees every time they're in office.

Quite a few do though, and the parallels to now are being made.

[Blair]

Surprised no-one has made the joke that someone with Boris' record is actually quite suitable for the Met in 2022.

[MaxQue]

Of course these moments of crisis have been common enough in modern British history, though this is the first since Black Wednesday to be to a large extent self-inflicted. It's right to be pessimistic about the short-term, but there's no reason to be for the future beyond that. We've been here before: younger posters might not be aware quite what an absolute state this country's public realm was in for most of the 1990s for instance.

Honestly for me this is just a cause for further pessimism; if voters don't remember the 90s, there's no reason to think they'll remember these times long-term, and won't learn the lesson that Tory governments bring the country to its knees every time they're in office.

Quite a few do though, and the parallels to now are being made.

Hopefully they will also make the link with a center-right Labour party who will fail to change anything due to being a slave to corrupt media.

[Angel of Death]

I'm sure there must be a significant number of non-Tories that don't want Labour to get back into power anytime soon, lest they be the ones left holding the bag that is the ongoing state of the country.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Of course these moments of crisis have been common enough in modern British history, though this is the first since Black Wednesday to be to a large extent self-inflicted. It's right to be pessimistic about the short-term, but there's no reason to be for the future beyond that. We've been here before: younger posters might not be aware quite what an absolute state this country's public realm was in for most of the 1990s for instance.

Honestly for me this is just a cause for further pessimism; if voters don't remember the 90s, there's no reason to think they'll remember these times long-term, and won't learn the lesson that Tory governments bring the country to its knees every time they're in office.

Quite a few do though, and the parallels to now are being made.

Hopefully they will also make the link with a center-right Labour party who will fail to change anything due to being a slave to corrupt media.

[CumbrianLefty]

Well there is a reasonable argument that Blair passed up a real chance to reform the media after his 1997 landslide - he ultimately went to the other extreme and became one of KRM's kid godparents.

Starmer hasn't showed a lot of interest in it either, but the hope has to be that coming events make the Tories so discredited (maybe more so than 25 years ago) that an opportunity comes anyway.

[MABA 2020]

I'm sure there must be a significant number of non-Tories that don't want Labour to get back into power anytime soon, lest they be the ones left holding the bag that is the ongoing state of the country.

Well the country is only gonna get out of it's current state with a non-tory government, so if Labour are waiting for things to get better before returning to power they're going to be waiting forever. Now obviously the coming winter and probably next year are going to be especially bad, but the next election won't be until 2024 anyway so no worries.

[MaxQue]

I'm sure there must be a significant number of non-Tories that don't want Labour to get back into power anytime soon, lest they be the ones left holding the bag that is the ongoing state of the country.

Well the country is only gonna get out of it's current state with a non-tory government, so if Labour are waiting for things to get better before returning to power they're going to be waiting forever. Now obviously the coming winter and probably next year are going to be especially bad, but the next election won't be until 2024 anyway so no worries.

It's not happening either, because Starmar is firmly committed to status quo.

[CumbrianLefty]

I'm sure there must be a significant number of non-Tories that don't want Labour to get back into power anytime soon, lest they be the ones left holding the bag that is the ongoing state of the country.

Well the country is only gonna get out of it's current state with a non-tory government, so if Labour are waiting for things to get better before returning to power they're going to be waiting forever. Now obviously the coming winter and probably next year are going to be especially bad, but the next election won't be until 2024 anyway so no worries.

It's not happening either, because Starmar is firmly committed to status quo.

This is all rather......binary.

In reality, events do at least as much to shape a government's actions as leaders.

[Blair]

Reports that Truss is going to take an axe to workers rights, including around the 48 hour limit.

This is very strange as Johnson's Government floated this in late 2021 and the coverage was so bad it was killed within 48 hours. Absolute madness and sends the wrong signal- but what does she expect if she puts someone like Rees-Mogg in BEIS?

Would be utter madness.

[Lumine]

Looks like the incoming Cabinet will indeed make Boris' one look like a land of talent and political heavyweights. IDS back, Rees-Mogg and Dorries retained or promoted, Chloe Smith - who I believe was once crushed in a Paxman interview - promoted, Braverman, Cleverly and Kwarteng all in leading roles, and ongoing debate on who to exile to Northern Ireland.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1566166456164810752

[Blair]

Hilarious that she’s made a cabinet that could easily be ‘list people who should be sacked from the current one’.

Again why is Braverman in the cabinet?

She has struggled as Attorney General which in itself is a non-job. She did not win a seizable number of MPs in the contest and she is not good on the TV, nor in the Commons. No-one in the party is even calling for it!

She is being given the hardest Government job at a time when there’s at least four issues that could bring her down (passport delays, Rwanda, Ukraine refugees, crime) and it would be a huge red flag. Surely just give it to someone like Brandon Lewis, IDS or someone similar?

[AustralianSwingVoter]

She is being given the hardest Government job at a time when there’s at least four issues that could bring her down (passport delays, Rwanda, Ukraine refugees, crime) and it would be a huge red flag. Surely just give it to someone like Brandon Lewis, IDS or someone similar?

You’d almost think she’s been deliberately set up to fail. Or perhaps that’s my Australian cynicism talking.

[CumbrianLefty]

Reports that Truss is going to take an axe to workers rights, including around the 48 hour limit.

This is very strange as Johnson's Government floated this in late 2021 and the coverage was so bad it was killed within 48 hours. Absolute madness and sends the wrong signal- but what does she expect if she puts someone like Rees-Mogg in BEIS?

Would be utter madness.

Well if she *really* thinks she can "Britannia Unchained" her way out of this, then I'm honestly not sure what might happen - though there is a good chance it won't be pleasant.

Someone whose Twitter account I regularly look at yesterday tweeted about the fate of the ruling True Whig Party of Liberia in 1980 after quoting this story - totally random and coincidental I'm sure.

[MABA 2020]

Reports that Truss is going to take an axe to workers rights, including around the 48 hour limit.

This is very strange as Johnson's Government floated this in late 2021 and the coverage was so bad it was killed within 48 hours. Absolute madness and sends the wrong signal- but what does she expect if she puts someone like Rees-Mogg in BEIS?

Would be utter madness.

Truss doesn't need to keep saying these things, she's already going to win the leadership, which must mean she actually intends on doing it? At what point do we think reality sets in for her or do we think she's going to break the shortest term for a PM record?

[afleitch]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1566339080312406017

This is what happens when you don't know who your core vote is. Yesterday there was talk of a bonfire of workers rights from maximum working hours, to days off.

The Tories seem to think that they won, and can win off the backs of retirees and the self employed. They won big because of a huge shift in older Gen X and younger boomers who, to put it mildly, are facing as much financial cliff as everyone else

This is the strategy of a party that wants to be out of office.

[Joe Republic]

A humble suggestion for the next thread title:  Major Truss Issues

[CumbrianLefty]

Rumours that PM Truss is going to basically nick Labour's energy price plans wholesale.

Though if so look out for the small print, as ever.

[afleitch]

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