UK General Discussion:The Rt. Hon Alex Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, Populist Hero

[CumbrianLefty]

McDonnell looked genuinely devastated on election night - the idea that this Labour leadership, whatever their other faults, "didn't care about winning" really is one canard that needs to be binned.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1208036791623831552

You know what? McDonnell is valid.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You know, if McDonnell hadn't needlessly screwed over that poor old sot Michael Meacher in 2007, and act that blackened his name to the soft Left and meant that ballot access in 2015 was for him impossible, it would have been him who stood in 2015. One wonders how things might have played out differently. McDonnell has severe baggage issues as well (though not so many), but sounder political judgment and a serious manner. I've said it before, and I suspect McDonnell would not appreciate the comparison, but he has much in common with Philip Snowden.

Anyway an interesting thing is that relations between McDonnell's people and Corbyn's people have not been good for a while. Quite what they are like between the men themselves (and this is now a historical point rather than an active political one) we don't know. Though it is the way of such things that we will eventually find out.

[brucejoel99]

You know, if McDonnell hadn't needlessly screwed over that poor old sot Michael Meacher in 2007, and act that blackened his name to the soft Left and meant that ballot access in 2015 was for him impossible, it would have been him who stood in 2015. One wonders how things might have played out differently. McDonnell has severe baggage issues as well (though not so many), but sounder political judgment and a serious manner. I've said it before, and I suspect McDonnell would not appreciate the comparison, but he has much in common with Philip Snowden.

Anyway an interesting thing is that relations between McDonnell's people and Corbyn's people have not been good for a while. Quite what they are like between the men themselves (and this is now a historical point rather than an active political one) we don't know. Though it is the way of such things that we will eventually find out.

Nah. McDonnell's great but he has just as much a dark history as Corbyn; perhaps moreso regarding the IRA issue (McDonnell is on record as praising the "bombs and bullets that brought the British Government to the negotiating table"). I think he'd have been better able to defend himself/apologize, but the media would've still had more than enough ammo to destroy him.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/20/uk/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-parliament-vote-gbr-intl/index.html


This is great news

[brucejoel99]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/20/uk/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-parliament-vote-gbr-intl/index.html


This is great news

Sheer insanity is nothing worth celebrating.

[kelestian]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1208036791623831552

In many countries when socialist revolution succeded, mass executions and long years of terror had begun. So imo his humour is pure garbage, God bless BoJo.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is that one on youtube? Don't think I've seen it before but would be great comic relief at this time.

We also need a more catchy thread title!

It is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBXrV0z0l8M

In the week since first clicking this link, my recommended list has become saturated with this stuff.

But at least now I know the origins of the grey John Major pic I have seen in various places.

[Continential]

Boris wants Ireland to pay for a Bridge to Scotland.

[Kingpoleon]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1208036791623831552

Normally when a socialist revolution succeeds, that ends up happening to most of its authors anyway.

[brucejoel99]

Boris wants Ireland to pay for a Bridge to Scotland.

Ahh yes, Ireland should pay for a bridge that would lie completely within the United Kingdom's internal borders. Makes complete sense!!

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Boris wants Ireland to pay for a Bridge to Scotland.

Ahh yes, Ireland should pay for a bridge that would lie completely within the United Kingdom's internal borders. Makes complete sense!!

"we will build a bridge linking Scotland to Ulster, and we'll get the Catholics to pay for it!"

[Lumine]

Withdrawal agreement finally leaves the House of Commons, 330 (all Conservative MP's) to 231.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Boris is already proving to be the best Tory PM since Thatcher

[brucejoel99]

Boris is already proving to be the best Tory PM since Thatcher

He's objectively the worst PM in modern history, let alone since Thatcher.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Boris is already proving to be the best Tory PM since Thatcher

He's objectively the worst PM in modern history, let alone since Thatcher.

Callaghan was clearly worse and objectively so were Brown and May . He still is behind Thatcher and Blair no doubt but Major barely got anything done and Cameron undermined his own legacy.

[Silent Hunter]

Boris is already proving to be the best Tory PM since Thatcher

He's objectively the worst PM in modern history, let alone since Thatcher.

Callaghan was clearly worse and objectively so were Brown and May . He still is behind Thatcher and Blair no doubt but Major barely got anything done and Cameron undermined his own legacy.

What about Douglas-Home?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Boris is already proving to be the best Tory PM since Thatcher

He's objectively the worst PM in modern history, let alone since Thatcher.

Callaghan was clearly worse and objectively so were Brown and May . He still is behind Thatcher and Blair no doubt but Major barely got anything done and Cameron undermined his own legacy.

What about Douglas-Home?

Depends on how modern is defined, if you just go past 50 years or post WW2

[Silent Hunter]

Post WW2 is the general definition in the UK. We just call it "the war" in casual conversation.

[Lord Halifax]

"Scottish Labour is considering backing a second independence referendum in a dramatic reversal of policy by the party leader, Richard Leonard.

Party sources have told the Guardian that Leonard will raise that possibility at Labour’s Scottish executive committee on Saturday, where it could also discuss demands for it to split formally from the UK Labour party."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/scottish-labour-could-back-independence-referendum-indyref2

[Antonio the Sixth]

Good. This is the SNP's price, and Labour must be ready to pay it.

[Tintrlvr]

"Scottish Labour is considering backing a second independence referendum in a dramatic reversal of policy by the party leader, Richard Leonard.

Party sources have told the Guardian that Leonard will raise that possibility at Labour’s Scottish executive committee on Saturday, where it could also discuss demands for it to split formally from the UK Labour party."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/scottish-labour-could-back-independence-referendum-indyref2

This surely can't have majority support in what remains of Scottish Labour, can it?

[Pandaguineapig]

Boris is already proving to be the best Tory PM since Thatcher

He's objectively the worst PM in modern history, let alone since Thatcher.

Callaghan was clearly worse and objectively so were Brown and May . He still is behind Thatcher and Blair no doubt but Major barely got anything done and Cameron undermined his own legacy.

"Greatest" or "worst" are often too colored by partisan views, but Boris is certainly set up to be the most consequential Conservative PM since Thatcher

[Pericles]

Bad move the independence vote is for the SNP regardless while English voters will react badly to Labour' position here (and even if Labour gains votes in Scotland it is not worth losing votes in marginals against the Tories in England).

[Meclazine for Israel]

Harry and Meaghan?

Hello.