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« Reply #2625 on: September 18, 2021, 04:21:43 PM »

The Fire Brigade Union is actually one of the more militant; both in industrial action but also in its relation to other trade unions. No idea why though. 

Yep. And the politics of policing and the police have tended to differ in different parts of the country as well. Provincial police forces have always tended to reflect the areas they serve, which are also the areas they recruit from. Senior officers were (are) mostly Conservatives, but that was (is) the norm for higher management posts in general. But the Met was, and to an extent still is, very different: it has always recruited from across the whole country rather than just London, has always attracted more ex-army types than normal, and developed a fierce hard-right political culture that became increasingly toxic and dangerous as time moved on: efforts to reform it since the Macpherson Report have largely involved trying to battle against this and the consequences of it.

Red Ken use to say that when he canvassed the police flats in the 80s they thought that was Thatcher was a ‘pinko”.

The Met also has the problem of being both London’s police force and also being in charge of national security and other parts of policing that attract and create a very different culture. There has been talk in conservative circles about changing this.
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« Reply #2626 on: September 19, 2021, 09:28:11 AM »

Of course, the Met were (in)famously involved by Thatcher in the 1984/85 miners strike - precisely because the local forces were often considered too "soft" to people they not infrequently lived with.
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« Reply #2627 on: September 19, 2021, 10:01:04 AM »

Of course, the Met were (in)famously involved by Thatcher in the 1984/85 miners strike - precisely because the local forces were often considered too "soft" to people they not infrequently lived with.

Something the same with law enforcement all over the world of course.
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« Reply #2628 on: September 19, 2021, 11:47:15 AM »

This year’s Lib Dem conference appears to be being held inside a broom cupboard.
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« Reply #2629 on: September 19, 2021, 12:02:38 PM »

Of course, the Met were (in)famously involved by Thatcher in the 1984/85 miners strike - precisely because the local forces were often considered too "soft" to people they not infrequently lived with.

I’m impressed that the Met over last 20 years have been found to be institutionally racist, actively delayed an investigation into corruption (which found ofc that the Met were institutionally corrupt), battered those protesting violence against women after the arrest of a Met officer. This is on top of the high profile killing of an unarmed and completely innocent man (twice!), the phone hacking scandal and the various weird feuds they’ve had against various politicians.

And they’ve just extended the term of the commissioner! A move supported by both the Labour Mayor and Tory Home Sec- specifically because both are worried about the replacement!
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« Reply #2630 on: September 19, 2021, 12:06:20 PM »

Policing is very weird in that it’s a policy space that lots of people in British politics do not care about remotely. People can talk for hours about capital gains tax, or PR but remain happy to ignore the state of our police- or indeed our decaying justice system.
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« Reply #2631 on: September 19, 2021, 12:11:03 PM »

Of course, the Met were (in)famously involved by Thatcher in the 1984/85 miners strike - precisely because the local forces were often considered too "soft" to people they not infrequently lived with.

South Yorkshire police in particular tending at the time to draw its recruits from the same places that still had substantial mining workforces in 1984, yes.
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« Reply #2632 on: September 19, 2021, 12:12:41 PM »

And they’ve just extended the term of the commissioner! A move supported by both the Labour Mayor and Tory Home Sec- specifically because both are worried about the replacement!

It's increasingly clear that Cressida Dick could survive a nuclear explosion.
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« Reply #2633 on: September 20, 2021, 03:51:04 AM »

An investigation would find that it was a misjudgement to hand her the detonator, but she couldn't fairly be blamed for having pressed it.
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« Reply #2634 on: September 20, 2021, 04:59:56 AM »

An investigation would find that it was a misjudgement to hand her the detonator, but she couldn't fairly be blamed for having pressed it.

Now, now be fair - I'm sure an independent commissioner would be appointed to do a public consultation as well.
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« Reply #2635 on: September 20, 2021, 06:42:08 AM »

Of course, the Met were (in)famously involved by Thatcher in the 1984/85 miners strike - precisely because the local forces were often considered too "soft" to people they not infrequently lived with.

I’m impressed that the Met over last 20 years have been found to be institutionally racist, actively delayed an investigation into corruption (which found ofc that the Met were institutionally corrupt), battered those protesting violence against women after the arrest of a Met officer. This is on top of the high profile killing of an unarmed and completely innocent man (twice!), the phone hacking scandal and the various weird feuds they’ve had against various politicians.

And they’ve just extended the term of the commissioner! A move supported by both the Labour Mayor and Tory Home Sec- specifically because both are worried about the replacement!

I presume you mean the Sarah Everard vigil earlier this year?

They also trampled all over the flowers that had been left there, really classy touch.
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« Reply #2636 on: September 20, 2021, 02:21:08 PM »
« Edited: September 20, 2021, 02:56:53 PM by Serenity Now »

Policing is very weird in that it’s a policy space that lots of people in British politics do not care about remotely. People can talk for hours about capital gains tax, or PR but remain happy to ignore the state of our police- or indeed our decaying justice system.

I wonder whether the indifference you describe from otherwise politically engaged people is their assumption that they themselves could not fall afoul of the police or wider justice system.
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« Reply #2637 on: September 20, 2021, 03:44:15 PM »

This is on top of the high profile killing of an unarmed and completely innocent man (twice!), the phone hacking scandal and the various weird feuds they’ve had against various politicians.

I'm aware of Jean Charles de Menezes - the current Commissioner was a key player in that, but who was the second?
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« Reply #2638 on: September 20, 2021, 04:18:44 PM »

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« Reply #2639 on: September 20, 2021, 04:21:57 PM »


Of course, you're right.
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« Reply #2640 on: September 20, 2021, 04:32:12 PM »
« Edited: September 20, 2021, 04:37:09 PM by Silent Hunter »

In an example of utter something, the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government has now become the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, with an acronym that sounds like someone spitting.
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« Reply #2641 on: September 20, 2021, 04:41:49 PM »

In an example of utter something, the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government has now become the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, with an acronym that sounds like someone spitting.

Finally, a government willing to give gamers the respect they deserve.
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« Reply #2642 on: September 26, 2021, 04:33:24 PM »

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White men have been urged not to “dominate” speaking slots at Labour Party conference.

During a debate on housing and transport, the chairman of the session noted the people putting their hands up to contribute did “not reflect the diversity” of those in the hall.

Mark Ferguson, a member of Labour’s National Executive Committee, told delegates in Brighton: “I am afraid, and I am not speaking from a position of particular strength here, there are too many white men putting their hands up.”

To laughter, he added: “I am not anti-white men, some of my favourite people are – my dad’s a white man.

“But I do not want white men to exclusively dominate this or any other debate at this conference and following on from my comrade in the chair this morning, I do wish to see the diversity of the hall reflected.

“I’m not putting anybody on the spot here, but if you want to speak do not be afraid to put your hand up, we want to hear from you, this is an inclusive conference.”

The member chairing each session asks those in attendance if they wish to speak and chooses people from those who have their hands raised.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/too-many-white-men-putting-their-hands-up-to-speak-labour-delegates-told/132622

This stuff is the reason why Malan and Enoch Powell and Strom Thurmond ruled right wing race issues for so long and Labour is now in it....
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« Reply #2643 on: September 26, 2021, 04:41:11 PM »

Angela Rayner calls Conservative Ministers scum, Boris Johnson a racist, homophobic misogynist.

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Angela Rayner says she will apologise for calling Boris Johnson "scum" when he retracts past comments she described as homophobic, racist and misogynistic.

Labour's deputy leader was reported to have called Tory ministers "a bunch of scum" at a Labour conference event.

One Conservative minister accused Ms Rayner of "talking crap", while another urged her to apologise.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said he would not have used that language and would "talk to her later".

Ms Rayner was reported to have made her remarks about Mr Johnson at a reception on Saturday evening.

Asked on Sunday morning if she would retract the remarks, she said she believed the prime minister was a "racist, homophobic misogynist".

"I think he needs to apologise for comments he has made in the past," Ms Rayner told the BBC, adding: "I will apologise when Boris apologises for saying the comments he has made, I will retract that he is scum."

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« Reply #2644 on: September 26, 2021, 04:47:37 PM »

Labour has the problem every one of its leaders has been a white man. Or white-passing in Ed Miliband's case. A BAME Tory leader looks quite likely in the near future; the highest ranking such figure in Labour is David Lammy, the Shadow Justice Secretary.
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« Reply #2645 on: September 26, 2021, 05:13:49 PM »

labour is thw natural opposition party, if loss in 2024, 25 years in opposition is damning
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« Reply #2646 on: September 26, 2021, 05:23:11 PM »

Labour has the problem every one of its leaders has been a white man. Or white-passing in Ed Miliband's case. A BAME Tory leader looks quite likely in the near future; the highest ranking such figure in Labour is David Lammy, the Shadow Justice Secretary.

Why hasn't Diane Abbott get far to be Labour leader? She fits ideologically with the base of the party, and do you think Starmer will be the last white male Labour leader?
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« Reply #2647 on: September 26, 2021, 05:24:55 PM »

labour is thw natural opposition party, if loss in 2024, 25 years in opposition is damning

It is one of the reasons why Blair is so agitated, when Labour was in the wilderness from 1979 to 1997, that was 18 years

Blair will see that there is a centrist wing that can take the party back, young Britons should be economically mobile by the 2030s......
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« Reply #2648 on: September 26, 2021, 05:56:06 PM »

What is the British version of the Internal Revenue Service, the American taxman and is it reviled by the British commoners and taxpayers like how Americans hate paying taxes?

The U.S. Revolutionary War was created also because of King George's taxes.....
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« Reply #2649 on: September 27, 2021, 04:22:28 AM »

Can we not have this thread littered with illiterate US "hot takes" please.
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