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Question: Which is more likely in 2020?
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Dems pick up AZ
 
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2020 map is exactly same as 2016
 
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« on: December 10, 2019, 08:55:35 PM »

I vote option 2.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2019, 09:50:08 PM »

Dems will pickup AZ, Trump can keep MI and PA and still lose EC due to losing AZ and TX, due to McSally being so weak
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2019, 10:00:10 PM »

Option 1. That 2nd option hasn't happened in recent history, and I would expect at least one state to flip from 2016.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2019, 10:59:59 PM »

Option 2. All 3 of the big 3 states Trump picked up have very similar demographics and with a strong economy and weak democratic field there is a better chance the map stays the same then democrats win Az.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2019, 11:12:15 PM »

The map looks the same as 2016. I stand by my unpopular opinion that Trump will win Arizona fairly easily.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2019, 11:13:31 PM »

Option 1, only because I doubt that the map will be exactly the same.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2019, 11:19:33 PM »

Firehouse showed us Trump can win one of three blue freiwall states, and Biden can win a Latino state in TX and AZ to make up for it. This is the new political climate we are in.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2019, 11:31:24 PM »

Equal chance of either option, but I think neither are likely. The Dems will win at least one of WI, MI, and PA, but  I doubt they have a good enough night to flip AZ (even if they improve on their 2016 numbers there).
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2019, 11:43:15 PM »

Equal chance of either option, but I think neither are likely. The Dems will win at least one of WI, MI, and PA, but  I doubt they have a good enough night to flip AZ (even if they improve on their 2016 numbers there).

McCain was on the ballot in 2016, that's why Dems failed in AZ, we can beat McSally
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2019, 12:57:10 AM »

Equal chance of either option, but I think neither are likely. The Dems will win at least one of WI, MI, and PA, but  I doubt they have a good enough night to flip AZ (even if they improve on their 2016 numbers there).

McCain was on the ballot in 2016, that's why Dems failed in AZ, we can beat McSally

Wasn't talking the Senate, I was talking the Presidency. I think Trump will do worse, but eek it out in the end.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2019, 01:02:29 AM »

The map looks the same as 2016. I stand by my unpopular opinion that Trump will win Arizona fairly easily.
I stand by my unpopular opinion that the election isn't gonna be that close. I think Trump could win 330-340 EV easily. Hillary was a much more moderate candidate than any of the dems running in 2020 and Trump was an unknown then he isn't now. Dems are all largely seen as unknowns, even Biden most voters barely know him. They know he was Obamas VP. Dems are in deep crap. This impeachment thing is gonna put the house in play.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2019, 01:34:28 AM »

Finally, somebody found a situation in which the Dems picking up Arizona is actually the more likely scenario.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2019, 01:52:58 AM »

Option 1. I also expect AZ to vote to the left of WI and maybe MI.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2019, 06:27:00 AM »

Trump's approval numbers have been remarkably stable the last couple years, according to 538.

Actually, I think neither will happen: Trump picks up NH and the map is otherwise the same.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2019, 06:35:16 AM »

The map wont be the same
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2019, 06:35:52 PM »

Trump will win Arizona by 2.1% in 2020.  He will win Maricopa county by less than 3,000 votes.  I go with Option 2.  Never happened, but law of averages is a thing too
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2019, 06:52:09 PM »

Also, the QU poll is wrong showing Biden winning by 9 points and McSally losing by 3 to Kelly?!
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2019, 07:55:18 PM »

Option one. I fail to see how successive elections having the exact same map will not be the case in 2020, even if it's with just one state as the difference.
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2019, 07:58:36 PM »

Option 1.  AZ has >50% chance of flipping,  Option 2 has never happened.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2019, 08:04:41 PM »

Stop talking about Texas flipping. It ain't gonna happen.
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2019, 09:21:56 AM »

Although a repeat of the 2016 map is well higher than zero, AZ is a true swing state and has an over 40% chance of flipping, so A.
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2019, 10:10:49 AM »

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