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« Reply #1550 on: April 20, 2020, 12:14:24 PM »

Annexation is approved to start in July 1st without a Gantz ability to veto. And the judiciary committee will have a conservative majority- there's supposed to be an opposition and coalition representative, but it ended up with a Likud rep and a KL rep who will be motherf**ing Hauser.
The judicial committee didn't really have an opposition rep the last 5 years. It's a customary practice.

all in all B&W squeezed quite a lot. but...Gantz will never be PM. starting tomorrow they will torment them on each step of the way to force them out.

Wasn't the oppositon rep always something sham but still from the opposition, like YB?
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« Reply #1551 on: April 20, 2020, 12:16:09 PM »

Annexation is approved to start in July 1st without a Gantz ability to veto. And the judiciary committee will have a conservative majority- there's supposed to be an opposition and coalition representative, but it ended up with a Likud rep and a KL rep who will be motherf**ing Hauser.
The judicial committee didn't really have an opposition rep the last 5 years. It's a customary practice.

all in all B&W squeezed quite a lot. but...Gantz will never be PM. starting tomorrow they will torment them on each step of the way to force them out.

Wasn't the oppositon rep always something sham but still from the opposition, like YB?
Yes. the law merely states the Knesset will elect two reps. The custom was for one to be from the opposition though it wasn't always kept (2016-2019, 1967-69 as I can remember, 84-92)
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« Reply #1552 on: April 20, 2020, 12:19:28 PM »

Did they sign this mess off just before Yom HaShoah commemorations so nobody could kick up a fuss about it?
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« Reply #1553 on: April 20, 2020, 12:30:51 PM »

Now that there is no GE in sight and we have a government we move to a regular thread.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=369874.0
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« Reply #1554 on: April 20, 2020, 12:55:56 PM »

In the end its hard to deny that Bibi showed Gantz up as the political ingenue he actually was.
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« Reply #1555 on: April 20, 2020, 01:29:53 PM »

Good, overall. No election and at least a semblance of a non-far right government. We had dreams of removing Netanyahu or creating a leftist minority government, but nothing can be done about that now (except throwing Drek Eretz to the dirt next election)
This will stay just that, just a dream. Only that the dream doesn’t occur as you are cursed to live in a state of alertness without rest from here on out.

Left wing parties plus new ally Yisrael Beiteinu won aajority in the last two elections. We didn't get a left wing government because right wingers like Orly Levy slid in on liberal party lists and tyen torched every effort to form a government. That, and not Israeli voters, is very obviously the problem.
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« Reply #1556 on: April 20, 2020, 01:32:22 PM »

Good, overall. No election and at least a semblance of a non-far right government. We had dreams of removing Netanyahu or creating a leftist minority government, but nothing can be done about that now (except throwing Drek Eretz to the dirt next election)
This will stay just that, just a dream. Only that the dream doesn’t occur as you are cursed to live in a state of alertness without rest from here on out.

Left wing parties plus new ally Yisrael Beiteinu won aajority in the last two elections. We didn't get a left wing government because right wingers like Orly Levy slid in on liberal party lists and tyen torched every effort to form a government. That, and not Israeli voters, is very obviously the problem.


Labor made a huge mistake merging with Gesher. Did Orly Levy even have anything to bring to the table?

This is such a weird last hurrah for Labor...dying in a Netanyahu Cabinet.
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« Reply #1557 on: April 20, 2020, 01:33:04 PM »

Now that there is no GE in sight and we have a government we move to a regular thread.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=369874.0

A petition to the Supreme Court to prevent Netanyahu from leading the next government has already hren fulrd. My hunch is that there is a roughly 50/50 chance that the Court accepts it, which would apparently trigger new elections. I am not at all surr we're done yet.
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« Reply #1558 on: April 20, 2020, 01:34:22 PM »

Good, overall. No election and at least a semblance of a non-far right government. We had dreams of removing Netanyahu or creating a leftist minority government, but nothing can be done about that now (except throwing Drek Eretz to the dirt next election)

Gantz was absolutely manhandled, politically, and he will almost definitely be soon gone from politics.
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« Reply #1559 on: April 20, 2020, 02:30:11 PM »

well this sucks
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« Reply #1560 on: April 20, 2020, 03:35:23 PM »

Good, overall. No election and at least a semblance of a non-far right government. We had dreams of removing Netanyahu or creating a leftist minority government, but nothing can be done about that now (except throwing Drek Eretz to the dirt next election)
This will stay just that, just a dream. Only that the dream doesn’t occur as you are cursed to live in a state of alertness without rest from here on out.

Left wing parties plus new ally Yisrael Beiteinu won aajority in the last two elections. We didn't get a left wing government because right wingers like Orly Levy slid in on liberal party lists and tyen torched every effort to form a government. That, and not Israeli voters, is very obviously the problem.


Labor made a huge mistake merging with Gesher. Did Orly Levy even have anything to bring to the table?

This is such a weird last hurrah for Labor...dying in a Netanyahu Cabinet.

Not really- she saved some center-left/centrist votes being wasted but that's about it. They should have kicked her to the curb when third elections were announced.

It is sad to see the party die this way, especially when it's the result of the selfishness of a few. Whatever though.
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« Reply #1561 on: April 20, 2020, 03:40:34 PM »

You cannot kill what was already dead. Isreali Labor was an outfit of the past, a pensioners party, and one that was a mere skeleton of its former self.
This end was pretty much almost inevitable, it was just hastened a bit by the flow of events.
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« Reply #1562 on: April 20, 2020, 04:14:05 PM »

You cannot kill what was already dead. Isreali Labor was an outfit of the past, a pensioners party, and one that was a mere skeleton of its former self.
This end was pretty much almost inevitable, it was just hastened a bit by the flow of events.

Hell, the year-long crisis may have delayed the inevitable since the party needed to keep competing to hold onto is handful of mandates. If govt was formed a year ago, Labor would have imploded into backroom infighting over the corpse.
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« Reply #1563 on: April 20, 2020, 04:20:45 PM »

You cannot kill what was already dead. Isreali Labor was an outfit of the past, a pensioners party, and one that was a mere skeleton of its former self.
This end was pretty much almost inevitable, it was just hastened a bit by the flow of events.

Hell, the year-long crisis may have delayed the inevitable since the party needed to keep competing to hold onto is handful of mandates. If govt was formed a year ago, Labor would have imploded into backroom infighting over the corpse.
I think Labour could have survived even long-term, provided it accepted being swallowed into an outfit that was more current. Labour as an independent actor would have been dead, but Labour as a political force still would have survived.
But it needed things to go its way. That clearly has not happened thus far.
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« Reply #1564 on: April 20, 2020, 05:07:44 PM »
« Edited: April 20, 2020, 05:33:27 PM by jaymichaud »

On potential annexation of the Jordan Valley/Trump Peace Plan:

"The PM and replacement PM will act together & in coordination to promote peace agreements with all of our neighbors and promote regional cooperation in a variety of economic areas and in the coronavirus crisis. In relation to President Trump's declaration, the PM & replacement PM will act with the US's full agreement including mapping and international dialogue on the subject, while aiming to protect Israel's security and strategic interests, including the need to preserve regional stability, peace agreements and working towards future peace agreements. After discussion between the PM & replacement PM about the aforementioned principles, the PM can bring the agreement with the US on the matter of applying sovereignty to a discussion in the security cabinet & cabinet for a vote in the cabinet or Knesset beginning on July 1."

...Yeah it 100% isn't happening lol
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« Reply #1565 on: April 21, 2020, 10:33:14 AM »

So it was agreed by Gantz that if the High Court of Justice bars Netanyahu from running they’re just gonna go to a new election and no one is talking about this?
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« Reply #1566 on: April 21, 2020, 11:35:33 AM »

So it was agreed by Gantz that if the High Court of Justice bars Netanyahu from running they’re just gonna go to a new election and no one is talking about this?
I actually don't see why that's wrong. The SC is on shaky legal grounds here and it will be quite a constitutional crisis, I think going to a referendum like elections on the topic is not unreasonable.

It's a better option than to agree to push forward a special bill to overturn their decision.

The only issue here is that it constrains the judiciary knowing full well their decision is responsible for a GE and that they are going against the wishes of a coalition of around 70-75 MKs.

The real problematic parts in the deal is basically the subordination of the Knesset to government with the Knesset lack of sovereignty to topple the government, the agreement for a 3 years government, the annulment of the opposition in the house, and this duumiverate government that is not going to work.
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