What would Atlas be like if it existed in the past?

[John Dule]

Hindsight is 1944 Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 11,229

Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:09:25 pm » This is a developing story, but it appears that the Empire of Japan has attacked American vessels stationed at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, at around 8 AM local time. Multiple vessels are reported damaged and zeroes have been spotted in the air above Honolulu. Great darkness has fallen upon our generation. May we be equal to the burden.

DuceFan TheReckoning Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 7,021

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:10:05 pm » Important to remember that this doesn't substantively change the war at all. While this is an attack on US interests, Hawaii is not a state, and a chain of random islands in the Pacific certainly isn't worth going to war over. Roosevelt will know this, and will make the necessary concessions to ensure that peace is maintained. If you think the majority of the American public will be ok with entering a SECOND global conflict in their lifetimes, you're sorely mistaken. Watch the usual American imperialists claim that this will actually affect the UK's terrible position in Europe, LOL.

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:11:34 pm » Important to remember that this doesn't substantively change the war at all. While this is an attack on US interests, Hawaii is not a state, and a chain of random islands in the Pacific certainly isn't worth going to war over. Roosevelt will know this, and will make the necessary concessions to ensure that peace is maintained. If you think the majority of the American public will be ok with entering a SECOND global conflict in their lifetimes, you're sorely mistaken. Watch the usual American imperialists claim that this will actually affect the UK's terrible position in Europe, LOL. I suspect you may be right . I live in an area that voted for Roosevelt . But how would he explain to his voters why he is involving us in another costly world war ? How would retaliation against Japan be beneficial to the average American ?

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Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:12:40 pm » How would retaliation against Japan be beneficial to the average American ? Please tell me this is a joke. How about securing the continued existence of the United States and our freedoms against the rise of fascist and totalitarian governments across the globe? That seems like something that would interest the "Average American," doesn't it?

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:13:31 pm » Please tell me this is a joke. How about securing the continued existence of the United States and our freedoms against the rise of fascist and totalitarian governments across the globe? That seems like something that would interest the "Average American," doesn't it? How about the average Californian ? Say, from Sacramento ? What would Roosevelt say to a person like that ?

Henry A. Wallace KentuckyMoonshiner Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 17,802

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:14:49 pm » How about the average Californian ? Say, from Sacramento ? What would Roosevelt say to a person like that ? He will probably say the same thing he'll say to every American: That this is a do-or-die moment for our nation and we must confront the cowardly Japanese head-on, whatever the cost. What exactly is so hard to understand about that? This is a brutal, unprovoked, and truly unjustifiable attack on our sovereign soil. A malignant and evil foreign power has arrived on our shores and they must be snuffed out with the full might of American sweat and steel. I will personally be enlisting as soon as I can to repel the dirty Japanese from our borders.

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:15:56 pm » He will probably say the same thing he'll say to every American: That this is a do-or-die moment for our nation and we must confront the cowardly Japanese head-on, whatever the cost. What exactly is so hard to understand about that? This is a brutal, unprovoked, and truly unjustifiable attack on our sovereign soil. A malignant and evil foreign power has arrived on our shores and they must be snuffed out with the full might of American sweat and steel. I will personally be enlisting as soon as I can to repel the dirty Japanese from our borders. Yes but Sacramento, specifically, how would it affect Sacramento ?

KaiserWilhelm Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 4,089

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:17:09 pm » Yes but Sacramento, specifically, how would it affect Sacramento ? Are you high? I voted for Willkie and I'm German-American, but you don't see me hesitating about this. This is completely beyond local interests or even politics in general. The only path forward is for the US to declare war against the Japanese-German axis immediately, and to marshal all our forces to see peace and freedom return to the world. If this does not happen, everything from Asia to Britain will be plunged into a darkness of totalitarianism that will smother everything in its path, the ramifications of which will be felt everywhere-- yes, including Sacramento.

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:20:11 pm » Are you high? I voted for Willkie and I'm German-American, but you don't see me hesitating about this. This is completely beyond local interests or even politics in general. The only path forward is for the US to declare war against the Japanese-German axis immediately, and to marshal all our forces to see peace and freedom return to the world. If this does not happen, everything from Asia to Britain will be plunged into a darkness of totalitarianism that will smother everything in its path, the ramifications of which will be felt everywhere-- yes, including Sacramento. I guess my question is less about Sacramento than it is about Roseville .

TORA! TORA! TORA! Santander Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 21,846

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:21:40 pm » BANZAI!!!

[WalterWhite]

I wonder what I would be like in the past.

[BigZuck08]

I wonder what I would be like in the past.

Same.

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

px75 Atlas Star ★★★★★ Posts: 25,215

FDR would be a disaster for the Democratic Party « on: June 26, 1932, 8:30:25 am » Franklin Delano Roosevelt would be an absolute disaster for the Democratic Party. He could possibly lose in the biggest landslide since James Monroe's victory in 1820. His insane socialist economics would alienate virtually the entire American public—including laborers—who would view it as mindless government intervention in the economy. Giving people benefits for unemployment sounds like it would promote unemployment, and this "New Deal" that FDR is proposing sounds like a proposal to bankrupt the government. Total BS. The Democratic Party should have picked someone more moderate to win this easily winnable election; they should have chosen a Bourbon Democrat, like Grover Cleveland. These Democrats have shown their effectiveness at winning in general elections. Instead, they threw away an easily winnable election by picking this radical communist Roosevelt. The Democratic Party needs to learn that moderates are the key to success, not fringe leftists.

FDR didn't run as such vs Hoover. He criticized Hoover for spending too much (since Hoover started proto-New Deal Programs) and pledged to cut spending by 25%.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Hindsight is 1944 Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 11,229

Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:09:25 pm » This is a developing story, but it appears that the Empire of Japan has attacked American vessels stationed at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, at around 8 AM local time. Multiple vessels are reported damaged and zeroes have been spotted in the air above Honolulu. Great darkness has fallen upon our generation. May we be equal to the burden.

DuceFan TheReckoning Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 7,021

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:10:05 pm » Important to remember that this doesn't substantively change the war at all. While this is an attack on US interests, Hawaii is not a state, and a chain of random islands in the Pacific certainly isn't worth going to war over. Roosevelt will know this, and will make the necessary concessions to ensure that peace is maintained. If you think the majority of the American public will be ok with entering a SECOND global conflict in their lifetimes, you're sorely mistaken. Watch the usual American imperialists claim that this will actually affect the UK's terrible position in Europe, LOL.

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:11:34 pm » Important to remember that this doesn't substantively change the war at all. While this is an attack on US interests, Hawaii is not a state, and a chain of random islands in the Pacific certainly isn't worth going to war over. Roosevelt will know this, and will make the necessary concessions to ensure that peace is maintained. If you think the majority of the American public will be ok with entering a SECOND global conflict in their lifetimes, you're sorely mistaken. Watch the usual American imperialists claim that this will actually affect the UK's terrible position in Europe, LOL. I suspect you may be right . I live in an area that voted for Roosevelt . But how would he explain to his voters why he is involving us in another costly world war ? How would retaliation against Japan be beneficial to the average American ?

JohnCarter Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 14,664

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:12:40 pm » How would retaliation against Japan be beneficial to the average American ? Please tell me this is a joke. How about securing the continued existence of the United States and our freedoms against the rise of fascist and totalitarian governments across the globe? That seems like something that would interest the "Average American," doesn't it?

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:13:31 pm » Please tell me this is a joke. How about securing the continued existence of the United States and our freedoms against the rise of fascist and totalitarian governments across the globe? That seems like something that would interest the "Average American," doesn't it? How about the average Californian ? Say, from Sacramento ? What would Roosevelt say to a person like that ?

Henry A. Wallace KentuckyMoonshiner Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 17,802

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:14:49 pm » How about the average Californian ? Say, from Sacramento ? What would Roosevelt say to a person like that ? He will probably say the same thing he'll say to every American: That this is a do-or-die moment for our nation and we must confront the cowardly Japanese head-on, whatever the cost. What exactly is so hard to understand about that? This is a brutal, unprovoked, and truly unjustifiable attack on our sovereign soil. A malignant and evil foreign power has arrived on our shores and they must be snuffed out with the full might of American sweat and steel. I will personally be enlisting as soon as I can to repel the dirty Japanese from our borders.

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:15:56 pm » He will probably say the same thing he'll say to every American: That this is a do-or-die moment for our nation and we must confront the cowardly Japanese head-on, whatever the cost. What exactly is so hard to understand about that? This is a brutal, unprovoked, and truly unjustifiable attack on our sovereign soil. A malignant and evil foreign power has arrived on our shores and they must be snuffed out with the full might of American sweat and steel. I will personally be enlisting as soon as I can to repel the dirty Japanese from our borders. Yes but Sacramento, specifically, how would it affect Sacramento ?

KaiserWilhelm Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 4,089

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:17:09 pm » Yes but Sacramento, specifically, how would it affect Sacramento ? Are you high? I voted for Willkie and I'm German-American, but you don't see me hesitating about this. This is completely beyond local interests or even politics in general. The only path forward is for the US to declare war against the Japanese-German axis immediately, and to marshal all our forces to see peace and freedom return to the world. If this does not happen, everything from Asia to Britain will be plunged into a darkness of totalitarianism that will smother everything in its path, the ramifications of which will be felt everywhere-- yes, including Sacramento.

jojoju1898 1870vu Junior Chimp ★★★★★ Posts: 5,424

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:20:11 pm » Are you high? I voted for Willkie and I'm German-American, but you don't see me hesitating about this. This is completely beyond local interests or even politics in general. The only path forward is for the US to declare war against the Japanese-German axis immediately, and to marshal all our forces to see peace and freedom return to the world. If this does not happen, everything from Asia to Britain will be plunged into a darkness of totalitarianism that will smother everything in its path, the ramifications of which will be felt everywhere-- yes, including Sacramento. I guess my question is less about Sacramento than it is about Roseville .

TORA! TORA! TORA! Santander Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 21,846

Re: Attack on Pearl Harbor MEGATHREAD « on: December 7, 1941, 1:21:40 pm » BANZAI!!!

Um Joju is Vietnamese and Japan literally were brutally occupying Vietnam for over a year at that point. If anything Joju would have been in favor of declaring war on Japan before Pearl Harbor as well.

[John Dule]

Um Joju is Vietnamese and Japan literally were brutally occupying Vietnam for over a year at that point. If anything Joju would have been in favor of declaring war on Japan before Pearl Harbor as well.

But Roseville … how does that affect Roseville ?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Um Joju is Vietnamese and Japan literally were brutally occupying Vietnam for over a year at that point. If anything Joju would have been in favor of declaring war on Japan before Pearl Harbor as well.

"You are building your conception of an Asia which would be raised on a tower of skulls" - Rabindranath Tagore

[OSR stands with Israel]

Um Joju is Vietnamese and Japan literally were brutally occupying Vietnam for over a year at that point. If anything Joju would have been in favor of declaring war on Japan before Pearl Harbor as well.

But Roseville … how does that affect Roseville ?

When has Joju been an isolationist

[WalterWhite]

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Reagan would be a disaster for the Republican Party « on: November 4, 1980, 4:30:25 pm » Reagan will lead the Republican Party to a major loss this cycle. I genuinely believe the Carter administration has not been excellent on many matters; Operation Eagle Claw was indubitably a failure. However, I cannot help but note that the current Republican candidate, Ronald Reagan, is such a horrible fit for this country. Polls do show Ronald Reagan ahead. However, they also showed Gerald Ford ahead of Jimmy Carter in 1976; it appears as if polls have a Republican bias. Additionally, John Anderson's support in the polling is likely overestimated, for polling invariably overestimates support for 3rd party candidates; Gallup polling overestimated Progressive Henry Wallace in 1948 and Dixiecrat George Wallace in 1968. I believe most of John Anderson's support would go to Jimmy Carter, for I believe Ronald Reagan's politics are alienating to these voters. With these two factors in mind, Jimmy Carter is probably already favored to win reelection. Ronald Reagan is also far too conservative for the country to handle. Reagan is running on the same platform as Barry Goldwater: cut taxes, cut social programs, and increase military intervention. This platform caused Lyndon Johnson to crush Barry Goldwater in the 1964 Election. Reagan's anti-union, anti-government, hawkish platform will hurt him in three parts of the country: the South, the Midwest, and the Northeast. Northeasterners would not support any part of Reagan's platform; that region is entirely gone for him. Southerners would absolutely oppose the anti-government aspect of Reagan's platform; this region voted for Roosevelt and supported the New Deal, so these voters would not likely be too receptive to a candidate who wants to cut these benefits. Additionally, Carter is a Southerner himself. Midwesterners would not support the anti-union aspects of Reagan's platform. Essentially, Carter will not lose a single state he won in 1976. He will likely pick up the industrial states of Michigan, Illinois, and New Jersey; and he will likely also pick up the Northeastern states of Maine and Connecticut. If I were honest, I could also see Carter picking up some populist Mountain states, such as New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Montana, as well as some progressive Pacific Northwestern states. Reagan will likely lose the 1980 United States Presidential Election, which would officially confirm the death of conservatism as a governable ideology. The pro-Republican polling biases present in Gallup polling, the overpolled Anderson vote likely going to Carter, undecideds likely leaning towards Carter over the conservative Reagan, as well as the inherit geographic disadvantages of a conservative Republican running against a moderate Southern Democrat make me very confident Carter will win a second term. A Carter vs. Reagan map would realistically go as follows: By supporting Ronald Reagan, the Republican Party made a major mistake. We will likely see that reflected in the election results tonight.

[Hindsight was 2020]

You think I would have been a Dewey supporter Dule? 😭

[Sumner 1868]

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Can a compromise on slavery truly last? « on: March 7, 1820 at 05:41:03 pm » Of course, and many people are saying that Mr. Clay should be commended for his moderation with the Presidency once Monroe retires. Trading a slave state for a free state is the most sensible solution for our westward expansion and one I've long advocated. People who believe that slavery is a violation of natural rights will naturally associate with other opponents of slavery in free states. People who believe slavery is a necessary institution will naturally associate with other slavers in slave states. I don't understand why people could reasonably object. I do not own slaves myself, but I would get along with you regardless if you did or didn't. Slaveowner, abolitionist or moderate - I try to get along with everyone. The fact is that Americans like peaceful co-existence through segregation. They like living with people who share their view on slavery. The radicals complaining about this compromise should stop the shaming and accept this fact.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Joseph Blackburn KYWildman Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 18,105

Re: Thousands of Roosevelt voters descend on DC for anti-Truman rally « Reply #3 on: November 05, 1947, 01:24:14 AM » It seems inevitable Thomas Dewey will win, because Truman is a DOA candidate. WTF is the Democratic Party doing??? How can they see things like this and sit idly by??? How can they not send out a strong message and put out a strong candidate??? There is no strong opposition, and yes I said opposition even though Truman is technically the incumbent; it still FEELS like Dewey won in 1944. It frankly feels like Dewey is the alpha male running the circus with complete mastery right now while Truman is just some hapless failed ringleader. He will NOT win! We NEED new blood, someone YOUNGER, to have a CHANCE! Otherwise we are DOOMED! Yes, I said it! I, an infamous bloomer from 1944, am now saying we are DOOMED if we nominate Truman. He just is not going to win. He's lost the confidence of his base of Southern voters AND he will be blown out among swing voters. He's at least as DOA as Hoover was in 1932. I can't even fathom any argument to the contrary. He's done for. He needs to be ditched, and FAST!

This will either age really well or really poorly, no in between.

[Blow by blow, the passion dies]

A legend died today
Getúlio Vargas
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       I am crying because Getúlio Vargas died
« on: August 24, 1954 at 11:50 AM »
I woke up and learned that the greatest leader in history killed himself, and I started to cry and eventually returned to bed.
I cried for minutes and wanted either to move to the US, or for Brazil to become a nationalist/populist dictatorship like Perón's Argentina.

This is a vent. I enjoy staying up and do not support any dictatorships.
(D-BR avatar)

[Alben Barkley]

Joseph Blackburn KYWildman Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 18,105

Re: Thousands of Roosevelt voters descend on DC for anti-Truman rally « Reply #3 on: November 05, 1947, 01:24:14 AM » It seems inevitable Thomas Dewey will win, because Truman is a DOA candidate. WTF is the Democratic Party doing??? How can they see things like this and sit idly by??? How can they not send out a strong message and put out a strong candidate??? There is no strong opposition, and yes I said opposition even though Truman is technically the incumbent; it still FEELS like Dewey won in 1944. It frankly feels like Dewey is the alpha male running the circus with complete mastery right now while Truman is just some hapless failed ringleader. He will NOT win! We NEED new blood, someone YOUNGER, to have a CHANCE! Otherwise we are DOOMED! Yes, I said it! I, an infamous bloomer from 1944, am now saying we are DOOMED if we nominate Truman. He just is not going to win. He's lost the confidence of his base of Southern voters AND he will be blown out among swing voters. He's at least as DOA as Hoover was in 1932. I can't even fathom any argument to the contrary. He's done for. He needs to be ditched, and FAST!

This will either age really well or really poorly, no in between.

I honest to God hope it ages really well. I've said before this election will be either 1948 or 1980, no in between. And I hope and pray it's 1948, even if my gut tells me it's 1980.

[BigZuck08]

ReaganBush84 BigZuck08 Jr. Member ★★★ Posts: 913

Re: 1984 Presidential Election MEGATHREAD « Reply #567 on: November 06, 1984, 01:24:14 AM » NBC News has just called the 1984 Presidential Election for President Reagan. He is also projected to win in a massive landslide. This is very great news for the United States.

Slavery is immoral BigZuck08 Jr. Member ★★★ Posts: 913

Re: BREAKING NEWS: South Carolina votes to secede from the Union « Reply #5 on: December 20, 1860, 02:35:33 PM » These traitors will pay for their unlawful secession. Nobody will try to undermine the power of our great union which we managed to keep together for nearly a century.

America shall be free BigZuck08 Jr. Member ★★★ Posts: 913

Re: Boston Tea Party MEGATHREAD « Reply #8 on: December 16, 1773, 06:07:55 PM » The Brits think they can abuse and take advantage of us Americans, well this should be a warning sign for them. The American people are not tolerating and will not tolerate being taken advantage of by fat cats across the pond.

What I think I would be like throughout different times in history.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Reaganfan

You have no idea how, um, tainted that username is.

[BigZuck08]

Reaganfan

You have no idea how, um, tainted that username is.

Fixed

[wnwnwn]

I imagine actual campaing managers reading this forum at leats before the year 2000.

[EastwoodS]

Most of the forum probably would have predicted Carter +2 in the PV vote and Regean winning like 257 ECVs

[Vice President Christian Man]

Not a "What if Atlas existed in the past", but more illustrative of how quickly the GOP changed.

Christian Man Christian Man Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 6,696     Republicans and Leaners, Would you continue to vote for the GOP if they became a cult of personality and tried to overturn an election? « on: November 1, 2014 at 3:41:11 pm » Imagine the GOP turned into this. At this point would you still vote for them? Old School Republican Computer89 Atlas Legend ★★★★★ Posts: 43,476     Republicans and Leaners, Would you continue to vote for the GOP if they became a cult of personality and tried to overturn an election? « on: November 1, 2014 at 5:41:11 pm » That's ridiculous. Everyone knows the GOP is the party of Reagan and it's going to stay that way. Jeb Bush is the frontrunner who's going to beat Hillary Clinton. The Republican Party has always stood for democracy here and abroad, and loves the American values that the Democrats are trying to destroy. This is nothing more than a cope because Christian Man doesn't have a real reason that he hates Republican's. Fuzzy Bear Fuzzy Bear Atlas Star ★★★★★ Posts: 25,098     Republicans and Leaners, Would you continue to vote for the GOP if they became a cult of personality and tried to overturn an election? « on: November 1, 2014 at 7:07:11 pm » I'm hardly a Democrat myself, but I also think this is absolutely ridiculous. You're a lot better than this. Kashkari for Governor The Flying Mongoose Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 10,217     Republicans and Leaners, Would you continue to vote for the GOP if they became a cult of personality and tried to overturn an election? « on: November 1, 2014 at 8:30:11 pm » I'd leave for sure but you'd be delusional if you were to take this thread seriously. Shaula The Pieman Junior Champ ★★★★★ Posts: 5,963     Lol were you hiding under a rock during the Bush years? The GOP has always been like this and they should be in prison for war crimes. Republicans and Leaners, Would you continue to vote for the GOP if they became a cult of personality and tried to overturn an election? « on: November 3, 2014 at 2:42:34 am » Chairman Sanchez Chairman Sanchez Atlas Superstar ★★★★★ Posts: 37,652     Republicans and Leaners, Would you continue to vote for the GOP if they became a cult of personality and tried to overturn an election? « on: November 3, 2014 at 5:00:00 pm » Lol were you hiding under a rock during the Bush years? The GOP has always been like this and they should be in prison for war crimes. As a fellow Republican, I agree with this. It sucks that this is the best we have. BRTD BRTD Atlas Prophet ★★★★★ Posts: 111,527     Republicans and Leaners, Would you continue to vote for the GOP if they became a cult of personality and tried to overturn an election? « on: January 7, 2021 at 7:00:00 am » lol

[Vice President Christian Man]

No (Sovies) In My Backyard Lover Hillgoose Atlas Icon ★★★★★ Posts: 12,805     Nixon to go to China « on: February 16, 1972 at 12:23:19 pm » Nixon needs to treat the red Chinese like they treat us. The only reason he should be going over there is to give him the finger. No patriotic America can love this country and sit face to face with that American-hating genocide loser. If McGovern's the nominee, that's more proof that the Sovies are infiltrating 'Murica. Purging the American hating commies out of his admin is the first step.

[darklordoftech]

In 2000, there would be predictions that Bush will keep us out of war.

George the Dove, Al the Hawk by Maureen Dowd

In 1968, she would have written, "Richard the Dove, Hubert the Hawk".

[Ferguson97]

In 2000, there would be predictions that Bush will keep us out of war.

George the Dove, Al the Hawk by Maureen Dowd

In 1968, she would have written, "Richard the Dove, Hubert the Hawk".

Come on, "Dick the Dove" was right there.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Most of the forum probably would have predicted Carter +2 in the PV vote and Regean winning like 257 ECVs

Most of the Forum probably would be pro Reagan in 1980. This Forum is mainly compromised of college educated young white males which today is a Democratic Demographic but in 1980 was an demographic that went heavily for Ronald Reagan.

[Ferguson97]

Most of the Forum probably would be pro Reagan in 1980. This Forum is mainly compromised of college educated young white males which today is a Democratic Demographic but in 1980 was an demographic that went heavily for Ronald Reagan.

Atlas demographics aren't necessarily representative of larger groups though. Demographics data alone would tell us that you, Cody, PQG, and Vosem would be voting Democratic, but that's obviously not the case.