Actions of Bernie Sanders supporters thread

[GoTfan]

Not as much as 2016. Between Sanders running a less divisive campaign this time, and Warren being a likely back-up candidate if Sanders fizzles out during primary season, I don't think they're as volatile as last time...for the most part. Obviously on this forum we do have jfern and Shadows, who still cling to that negative, "burn it all down," mentality when it comes to the Democratic primary. So there are probably some of them still out there. Gabbard and Yang's supporters have kind of filled that void this time, though I don't think there are nearly as many of them combined compared to Sanders' online 2016 support.

I expect that if Biden gets nominated though that they will go back undermining him and the Democratic Primary as a whole. Admittedly though, I'd be at least slightly more sympathetic to them this time-I don't have much hope for Biden defeating Trump, though I will support him (and any other nominee) no matter what.

Jfern and Shadows embarrass me as a Sanders supporter.

[GoTfan]

Berniebros are feeling the Burn.

And I don't know why GeneralMacArthur gets hit for this thread? How would Berniebros react if a Biden or Buttigieg supporter would have done this to the Sanders campaign?

Because Macarthur is generally possessed of a psychotic hatred of Sanders and would likely vpte for Trump if he were nominated?

[GoTfan]

Will Bernie condemn?  Will sawx condemn?

If it were actually a generally accepted rule that one had to disavow all stupid behavior by those who agree with their political beliefs in order to be taken seriously, Joe Biden would've had to "condemn" you a thousand times over by this point.

The last thread I posted about this kind of behavior, the Sanders campaign did end up denouncing their own supporters.

Because Macarthur is generally possessed of a psychotic hatred of Sanders and would likely vpte for Trump if he were nominated?

I think I've said several times on this forum that I would vote for Sanders, or any Democratic nominee, over Donald Trump, and wouldn't think twice about it.  But I'll say it again.  There is zero doubt in my mind that I would vote for Bernie Sanders over Donald Trump.

I would even enthusiastically campaign for Bernie Sanders and go door-to-door lying to people that his policies are good and he'll be a great president.

Hopefully he doesn't win the nomination so I don't have to do that.

Why don't I believe you?

[GoTfan]

Will Bernie condemn?  Will sawx condemn?

If it were actually a generally accepted rule that one had to disavow all stupid behavior by those who agree with their political beliefs in order to be taken seriously, Joe Biden would've had to "condemn" you a thousand times over by this point.

The last thread I posted about this kind of behavior, the Sanders campaign did end up denouncing their own supporters.

Because Macarthur is generally possessed of a psychotic hatred of Sanders and would likely vpte for Trump if he were nominated?

I think I've said several times on this forum that I would vote for Sanders, or any Democratic nominee, over Donald Trump, and wouldn't think twice about it.  But I'll say it again.  There is zero doubt in my mind that I would vote for Bernie Sanders over Donald Trump.

I would even enthusiastically campaign for Bernie Sanders and go door-to-door lying to people that his policies are good and he'll be a great president.

Hopefully he doesn't win the nomination so I don't have to do that.

Why don't I believe you?

Because you have a demonized image of me in your brain that bears almost no resemblance to the actual me.

I'd say that given your obsession with hating Sanders like he killed your dog or something, it's far from inaccuarate.

[GoTfan]

Will Bernie condemn?  Will sawx condemn?

If it were actually a generally accepted rule that one had to disavow all stupid behavior by those who agree with their political beliefs in order to be taken seriously, Joe Biden would've had to "condemn" you a thousand times over by this point.

The last thread I posted about this kind of behavior, the Sanders campaign did end up denouncing their own supporters.

Because Macarthur is generally possessed of a psychotic hatred of Sanders and would likely vpte for Trump if he were nominated?

I think I've said several times on this forum that I would vote for Sanders, or any Democratic nominee, over Donald Trump, and wouldn't think twice about it.  But I'll say it again.  There is zero doubt in my mind that I would vote for Bernie Sanders over Donald Trump.

I would even enthusiastically campaign for Bernie Sanders and go door-to-door lying to people that his policies are good and he'll be a great president.

Hopefully he doesn't win the nomination so I don't have to do that.

Why don't I believe you?

Because you have a demonized image of me in your brain that bears almost no resemblance to the actual me.

I'd say that given your obsession with hating Sanders like he killed your dog or something, it's far from inaccuarate.

Sanders is the leader of a movement battling the Democratic Party from the inside with extremist policies and tactics and a neverending avalanche of bad-faith demands and arguments.  It's a whole group of people trying to tear the party apart and create a left-wing tea party.  And there's a big social media and alternative media pipeline trying to push young people into this movement.  They lie and lie and lie to foster a hatred for Democrats in the minds of progressive-minded young people.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan.  I think he's a big threat to the party and needs to be taken down.

"Stupid lefites! Shut up and get back in line like you're told!"

[GoTfan]

"Stupid lefites! Shut up and get back in line like you're told!"

The only problem so far is that this kind of rhetoric is more prevalent among Sanders supporters.

Given your own well-known Sanders hate psychosis, you're not in any real position to talk.

[GoTfan]

"Stupid lefites! Shut up and get back in line like you're told!"

The only problem so far is that this kind of rhetoric is more prevalent among Sanders supporters.

Given your own well-known Sanders hate psychosis, you're not in any real position to talk.

Neither are you and the other Sanders cultists.

"Sanders supporters should shut up and never queation the Democratic Party."

[GoTfan]

"Stupid lefites! Shut up and get back in line like you're told!"

The only problem so far is that this kind of rhetoric is more prevalent among Sanders supporters.

Given your own well-known Sanders hate psychosis, you're not in any real position to talk.

Neither are you and the other Sanders cultists.

"Sanders supporters should shut up and never queation the Democratic Party."

Dude, I know you hate to hear it but there are people out there who disagree ideologically with you God King Emperor. The fact that he and his supporters are insufferable sanctimonious assholes is incidental. They could have been the nicest guys in the world and I'd still oppose them.
Now, if you think that makes me worse than Hitler, that's your opinion.

Right back at ya, mate.

[GoTfan]

Sanders is the leader of a movement battling the Democratic Party from the inside with extremist policies and tactics and a neverending avalanche of bad-faith demands and arguments.  It's a whole group of people trying to tear the party apart and create a left-wing tea party.  And there's a big social media and alternative media pipeline trying to push young people into this movement.  They lie and lie and lie to foster a hatred for Democrats in the minds of progressive-minded young people.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan.  I think he's a big threat to the party and needs to be taken down.

It says a lot that I agree with everything you said but I still think you're the most obnoxious poster on this site.

You can either lie down and let them walk over you, or you can put yourself out there and take all the abuse and bullying that this board is known for.

I mean look at this thread.  All I did was post what happened with barely any editorializing.  And immediately got a dozen posts telling me what an awful poster I am and how dare I even post about this event.  As if supporters of a presidential candidate breaking into a private home to interrupt another candidate's fundraiser isn't even newsworthy.  Imagine if Trump supporters did this.

At a certain point, abuse from progressives is just the boy who cried wolf.  They label everyone who dares to criticize Sanders/Warren/AOC the worst person ever and try to harass him/her off the site.  Like I don't care.  This happens when you engage in political arguments with bad-faith posters.  They're going to be extremely disingenuous, and mock you, and lie about you.  My posts stand on their own.

I actually like how Pete handles this at his events.  The Sanders crew has been showing up to every Pete event to shout and wave signs and banners with lies and calling him all sorts of nasty names.  He just talks down to them like the children they are, calmly refutes their arguments, and lets it roll off him.

Please do explain why the US can't have universal healthcare like every single other developed country in the world.

[GoTfan]

Please do explain why the US can't have universal healthcare like every single other developed country in the world.

This is the kind of disingenuous argument I'm talking about.

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The Democratic Party has been pushing universal health care since at least the Carter administration, when Kennedy and Carter battled over it.  Hillary Clinton pushed a universal health care bill in 1993.  Barack Obama wanted a public option in the ACA, and in fact this was passed by Pelosi and the house.  Hillary Clinton ran on a public option in 2016, and nearly every candidate is running on some variation of a public option (including, now, Warren).

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Bernie likes to lie that "every single other developed country in the world" has single payer, like his M4A plan.  This is completely false.  Only the UK, Canada, Taiwan, and South Korea have single-payer systems, and these are very different from Bernie's proposed system.  When you think of countries like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, France, etc. these have wildly different health care systems but all have some combination of public and private insurance for public and private hospitals and providers.  They vary in the degree of utilization for government services.  But they are all far more similar to the systems proposed by Biden, Buttigieg, Clinton, Obama, etc. than to what Bernie has proposed.

So yes, I want us to have universal health care similar to what the vast majority of developed nations have.  That's why I support Biden and defend Buttigieg.  A public option is universal health care.

You honestly think either of your Gods will actually do anything for a public option?

[GoTfan]

Please do explain why the US can't have universal healthcare like every single other developed country in the world.

This is the kind of disingenuous argument I'm talking about.

A
The Democratic Party has been pushing universal health care since at least the Carter administration, when Kennedy and Carter battled over it.  Hillary Clinton pushed a universal health care bill in 1993.  Barack Obama wanted a public option in the ACA, and in fact this was passed by Pelosi and the house.  Hillary Clinton ran on a public option in 2016, and nearly every candidate is running on some variation of a public option (including, now, Warren).

B
Bernie likes to lie that "every single other developed country in the world" has single payer, like his M4A plan.  This is completely false.  Only the UK, Canada, Taiwan, and South Korea have single-payer systems, and these are very different from Bernie's proposed system.  When you think of countries like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, France, etc. these have wildly different health care systems but all have some combination of public and private insurance for public and private hospitals and providers.  They vary in the degree of utilization for government services.  But they are all far more similar to the systems proposed by Biden, Buttigieg, Clinton, Obama, etc. than to what Bernie has proposed.

So yes, I want us to have universal health care similar to what the vast majority of developed nations have.  That's why I support Biden and defend Buttigieg.  A public option is universal health care.

You honestly think either of your Gods will actually do anything for a public option?

Hmm let's see.  On the one hand you have Joe Biden, who was VP in the administration that expended 100% of its political capital trying to get universal health care done, and Nancy Pelosi who passed universal health care in the House.

On the other you have a guy who's introduced the same plan every year for the last 40 years with zero effort to actually flesh it out, add any practical/financial details, or build support for it.  A guy who, when asked how he would get it passed in Congress, couldn't come up with an answer better than "a big movement to force Republicans to join us."  And a plan that even Elizabeth Warren, who is far more intelligent than Bernie, couldn't figure out how to realistically pay for -- in fact she tanked her campaign trying to do so.

And then said administration proceeded to use a plan orginally proposed by Nixon, Gingrich and Grassley.

Remind me what party those three belong to.

[GoTfan]

And then said administration proceeded to use a plan orginally proposed by Nixon, Gingrich and Grassley.

Remind me what party those three belong to.

Were you alive in 2009?  Do you remember what a disaster health care was before then, and how close we came to having absolutely zero reform?

Like what did you want Obama to do?
Do you understand how many lives the ACA has saved?
Do you understand that even just passing the ACA was one of the biggest fights in American history and required devastating, crippling sacrifices from the Democratic Party that we're still reeling from ten years later?

Also, comparing any contemporary politics to Richard Nixon, or any pre-Reagan GOP politician, is silly.  The Republican party lurched extremely far to the right in the 80s and 90s.  Nixon and his policies would be laughed out of the party today.  Also remember that Nixon had to work with a solid D congress and his policies often reflect that.

It's very frustrating to me, as someone who followed the Obamacare debate extremely closely, to see all the gaslighting and lying going on these days.  Like this was one of the most difficult political fights ever and the Democrats sacrificed everything to win it by the skin of their teeth, and ten years later we have this whole movement of people saying the party is awful because we didn't fight hard enough and didn't pass a good enough plan.

I mean we had 60 Senate seats in 2008, and this was such a severe fight that a year later a Republican got elected in Massachusetts on a single-issue stop-universal-health-care campaign.  And we didn't fight hard enough?  We didn't sacrifice enough?

You finished?

I noticed you didn't even address my point at all. Not that it's out of the norm.

[GoTfan]

And then said administration proceeded to use a plan orginally proposed by Nixon, Gingrich and Grassley.

Remind me what party those three belong to.

Were you alive in 2009?  Do you remember what a disaster health care was before then, and how close we came to having absolutely zero reform?

Like what did you want Obama to do?
Do you understand how many lives the ACA has saved?
Do you understand that even just passing the ACA was one of the biggest fights in American history and required devastating, crippling sacrifices from the Democratic Party that we're still reeling from ten years later?

Also, comparing any contemporary politics to Richard Nixon, or any pre-Reagan GOP politician, is silly.  The Republican party lurched extremely far to the right in the 80s and 90s.  Nixon and his policies would be laughed out of the party today.  Also remember that Nixon had to work with a solid D congress and his policies often reflect that.

It's very frustrating to me, as someone who followed the Obamacare debate extremely closely, to see all the gaslighting and lying going on these days.  Like this was one of the most difficult political fights ever and the Democrats sacrificed everything to win it by the skin of their teeth, and ten years later we have this whole movement of people saying the party is awful because we didn't fight hard enough and didn't pass a good enough plan.

I mean we had 60 Senate seats in 2008, and this was such a severe fight that a year later a Republican got elected in Massachusetts on a single-issue stop-universal-health-care campaign.  And we didn't fight hard enough?  We didn't sacrifice enough?

You finished?

I noticed you didn't even address my point at all. Not that it's out of the norm.

Did I miss something?  I thought your point was we can't trust anyone other than Sanders to deliver on universal health care, because the last time they tried it they gave us the ACA which you're labeling as Nixoncare.

Nah.

My point, if you bothered to read, was that Obamacare was a plan adopted from Nixon, Gingrich and Grassley and I asked you to remind me what partythey were from. Then you went on some sort of tirade that didn't even bother to deny it was  Republican plan.

[GoTfan]

Same type of person as this...

https://twitter.com/JustinTX_20/status/1206426098982162432?s=20

Yeah, keep tarring Sanders supporters with the same brush, great way to win them over.

At this point I'm just convinced that progressives should start their own party.

[GoTfan]

Same type of person as this...

https://twitter.com/JustinTX_20/status/1206426098982162432?s=20

Yeah, keep tarring Sanders supporters with the same brush, great way to win them over.

At this point I'm just convinced that progressives should start their own party.

Why is it that you always see Sanders supporters doing this and never supporters of any other candidate.

Also this guy is running for Congress, he's not just a random Twitter account.

Yeah, I keep forgetting all of us who support him are racist. Or sexist.

Maybe there should be a third Progressive Party.

[GoTfan]

You genuinely spend twice as much time attacking your fellow leftists as you do going after Trump/right-wing policies. Someday you and Badger will swap parties and balance will finally be restored to this forum.

There are twice as many extreme-left morons on Atlas as there are blue avatars in total.

Also this is the 2020 board.  There's virtually nothing to talk about, yet, on this board, concerning Trump or right-wing policies.  If you go over to the U.S. General Discussion board I have an entire thread arguing with the blue avatars about impeachment.

Yeah, I keep forgetting all of us who support him are racist. Or sexist.

Maybe there should be a third Progressive Party.

Not all Sanders supporters are racist/sexist.

But virtually 100% of racist/sexist creeps on left-wing Twitter are Sanders supporters.

Then why do your fellow Moderate Heroes imply that we all are?