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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2019, 03:00:28 PM »
« edited: November 20, 2019, 03:08:38 PM by President Johnson »

I love how some of our friends are more scared of AOC than Actual republicans.

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She sounds like a solid primary opponent, though unfortunately, Delaware loves centrist/conservative Democrats so this challenge probably won't go anywhere.

Coons isn't a conservative Democrat, he's center-left or an Obama-Biden Democrat, just not a hardcore leftist.
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2019, 03:51:11 PM »

I love how some of our friends are more scared of AOC than Actual republicans.

Phil Scott, Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan > The Squad


She sounds like a solid primary opponent, though unfortunately, Delaware loves centrist/conservative Democrats so this challenge probably won't go anywhere.

Coons isn't a conservative Democrat, he's center-left or an Obama-Biden Democrat, just not a hardcore leftist.

God, you're the type of person whose favorite cereal is Total and thinks Frazier is the greatest show ever.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2019, 04:28:43 PM »

I love how some of our friends are more scared of AOC than Actual republicans.

Phil Scott, Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan > The Squad


She sounds like a solid primary opponent, though unfortunately, Delaware loves centrist/conservative Democrats so this challenge probably won't go anywhere.

Coons isn't a conservative Democrat, he's center-left or an Obama-Biden Democrat, just not a hardcore leftist.

God, you're the type of person whose favorite cereal is Total and thinks Frazier is the greatest show ever.

Lmao, I don't know either of them. My favorite cereals is actually spelled muesli  and the greatest political talkshow is Morning Joe Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2019, 05:19:11 PM »

I just love how the poster who is most known on here for writing a TL named The Liberal Republic is called a conservative Democrat by the far left on here.  Um no President Johnson is still clearly a liberal Democrats and opposing outright socialist policies, open borders etc doenst make him a conservative, as you know what other liberal opposed those things: Obama.

It is you guys not President Johnson who is outside the mainstream of most Democrats and alienating voters like President Johnson is exactly the wrong direction to go in
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2019, 05:26:00 PM »

I just love how the poster who is most known on here for writing a TL named The Liberal Republic is called a conservative Democrat by the far left on here.  Um no President Johnson is still clearly a liberal Democrats and opposing outright socialist policies, open borders etc doenst make him a conservative, as you know what other liberal opposed those things: Obama.

It is you guys not President Johnson who is outside the mainstream of most Democrats and alienating voters like President Johnson is exactly the wrong direction to go in

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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2019, 05:49:02 PM »

I just love how the poster who is most known on here for writing a TL named The Liberal Republic is called a conservative Democrat by the far left on here.  Um no President Johnson is still clearly a liberal Democrats and opposing outright socialist policies, open borders etc doenst make him a conservative, as you know what other liberal opposed those things: Obama.

It is you guys not President Johnson who is outside the mainstream of most Democrats and alienating voters like President Johnson is exactly the wrong direction to go in

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« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2019, 08:20:11 AM »

Wow can't believe you FAR LEFT HACKS are threatening a generic conservedem from the most craven state in the union just because you disagree with him politically on issues. Real smart people worship career politicians that were elected in a fluke because their opponent was a nut and respect that all Delaware politicians are supposed to take part in their cronyism antics in solidarity rather than place a finger out of line.
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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2019, 08:29:20 AM »

Coons holds a Safe D seat and opposes ending the filibuster.  That's reason enough to replace him.
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« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2019, 08:45:02 AM »

I love how some of our friends are more scared of AOC than Actual republicans.

Phil Scott, Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan > The Squad


She sounds like a solid primary opponent, though unfortunately, Delaware loves centrist/conservative Democrats so this challenge probably won't go anywhere.

Coons isn't a conservative Democrat, he's center-left or an Obama-Biden Democrat, just not a hardcore leftist.

God, you're the type of person whose favorite cereal is Total and thinks Frazier is the greatest show ever.

Lmao, I don't know either of them. My favorite cereals is actually spelled muesli  and the greatest political talkshow is Morning Joe Tongue

Close enough.
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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2019, 01:48:19 PM »

Coons holds a Safe D seat and opposes ending the filibuster.  That's reason enough to replace him.

I'm also for ending the filibuster, but opposing he doesn't deserve to be opposed over that one issue. It's the my way or the highway mentality on both sides, especially the right, but also the left, that makes Washington so dysfunctional.
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2019, 01:57:06 PM »

If Biden craters in the primary, Coons primary opponent can get traction.  Coons wanted Biden so bad, and Biden stopped Harris momentum
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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2019, 02:06:55 PM »

Coons holds a Safe D seat and opposes ending the filibuster.  That's reason enough to replace him.

I'm also for ending the filibuster, but opposing he doesn't deserve to be opposed over that one issue. It's the my way or the highway mentality on both sides, especially the right, but also the left, that makes Washington so dysfunctional.



It's getting kind of boring and an answer of no substance.
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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2019, 02:14:02 PM »

Coons holds a Safe D seat and opposes ending the filibuster.  That's reason enough to replace him.

I'm also for ending the filibuster, but opposing he doesn't deserve to be opposed over that one issue. It's the my way or the highway mentality on both sides, especially the right, but also the left, that makes Washington so dysfunctional.

Actually, it's the filibuster and other similarly antidemocratic measures that make Washington dysfunctional.
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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2019, 02:17:58 PM »

Coons holds a Safe D seat and opposes ending the filibuster.  That's reason enough to replace him.

I'm also for ending the filibuster, but opposing he doesn't deserve to be opposed over that one issue. It's the my way or the highway mentality on both sides, especially the right, but also the left, that makes Washington so dysfunctional.

Actually, it's the filibuster and other similarly antidemocratic measures that make Washington dysfunctional.

I predict the filibuster will be nuked within the next few years one way or other anyway. And Democrats need to get rid of it if they take the senate. That and the other point I made don't exclude each other.
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« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2019, 03:28:04 PM »

At risk of being a cliche, it's for the people of Delaware to decide if Coons is representing them effectively. If they decide he's not and dump his ass in the primary, great. If they decide he is and keep him, also great. I don't really have a dog in this fight as long as the seat goes Dem in the general.

People should stop being so allergic to these primary challenges in safe seats. If the incumbent wins, that's fine, and if the incumbent loses, that's also fine.
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« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2019, 03:30:36 PM »

Go Coons!
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« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2019, 09:26:37 PM »

Wholeheartedly endorsed but Coons will probably win because Delaware.
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« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2019, 09:39:11 PM »

Coons holds a Safe D seat and opposes ending the filibuster.  That's reason enough to replace him.

I'm also for ending the filibuster, but opposing he doesn't deserve to be opposed over that one issue. It's the my way or the highway mentality on both sides, especially the right, but also the left, that makes Washington so dysfunctional.

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It's getting kind of boring and an answer of no substance.

I don't have a dog in this fight but come on, everyone here should know that ad hominem attacks are both a poor rebuttal and fail to argue any constructive point.
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« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2019, 09:45:53 PM »


Same here. I don't understand why so many here are so passionately opposed to Coons. He is pretty much a Generic Liberal Democrat, and has voted in line with the Party on the vast majority of issues (including on the Gorsuch and Kavanaugh nominations, both of which he opposed). He's also far from the only Democrat who opposes ending the filibuster, a move which could backfire on Democrats in the future.
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« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2019, 09:52:06 PM »
« Edited: November 23, 2019, 12:03:13 AM by Tulsi "Both sides" Gabbard »

Coons holds a Safe D seat and opposes ending the filibuster.  That's reason enough to replace him.

I'm also for ending the filibuster, but opposing he doesn't deserve to be opposed over that one issue. It's the my way or the highway mentality on both sides, especially the right, but also the left, that makes Washington so dysfunctional.

"One issue"? It's the most important issue of them all, seeing as though with it still in place Democrats can expect to get literally no legislation passed. It's unbelievable that somebody can spend that long in congress and not know this, which raises the serious possibility that he is lying about supporting various democratic policies and is just hiding behind the filibuster as an excuse to avoid having to vote against popular Democratic legislation. Either way, whether born of some neurotic attachment to civility, wilful ignorance, a disqualifiying amount of obtuseness, or a desire to hide his political positions, for him to remain pro filibuster in late 2019 reflects badly on him.
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« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2019, 10:06:21 PM »

Coons isn't the problem, the Republicans are. I hate "purity test" primary challenges, except for egregiously bad cases like Lieberman.
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« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2019, 04:20:56 AM »

As a country where political thought is supposed to be channeled into only two parties, it's downright anti democratic to place barriers in the way of primarying opponents and complain that they should get in line. I seriously cannot understand the people in this thread. Politicians should always be scared of losing their mandate, and the fact that the vast majority of American congressmen are reelected in perpetuity in ultra safe seats is not good.

The fact that Coons is generic is reason enough to primary him, as far as I'm concerned. You want activists and people who aren't afriad to challenge leadership in office, not toadies and pawns.
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« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2019, 11:25:54 AM »

I wonder if those taking issue with Coons getting a primary challenger are just as opposed to Sanders or AOC getting a primary challenger. Primaries are part of the process and are fair game for any incumbent, regardless of their ideology. No one is "entitled" to another term; they need to earn it through an election. Now, if a primary challenger proves to be a disgraceful human being or support something awful, hopefully most Democrats have the common sense to not support said primary challenger.
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« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2019, 11:52:42 PM »

Coons is not "generic".  He's actually very outspoken, and seems to be a leader amongst his colleagues in the Senate.  He tends to not throw out partisan bombs on the talk shows, but that doesn't make him generic.
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« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2019, 12:14:22 AM »

Coons is not "generic".  He's actually very outspoken, and seems to be a leader amongst his colleagues in the Senate.  He tends to not throw out partisan bombs on the talk shows, but that doesn't make him generic.

Coons is "Generic" in the sense that he is a party-line Democrat on the issues, belonging neither to the very moderate wing (i.e. Manchin, Sinema) or the very progressive wing (i.e. Sanders, Warren), but in between them, like most of his colleagues. He's also very much in line with the party establishment, as you allude to in your post.
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