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« on: November 16, 2019, 03:19:59 PM »
« edited: November 17, 2019, 12:14:47 AM by Oryxslayer »

Indiana

Indiana’s redistricting has recently drawn discussion both with the retirement of Visclosky and the state’s newfound strong GOP lean. Perhaps most interesting is that Indiana is home to one of three states that have clear potential safe D seats that can be turned into GOP ones with a smart mapper. Indiana however is the most uncertain, whereas Missouri and Tennessee’s fate is far more linear.

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Redistricting History

It’s hard to imagine that Indiana once had democratic legislative majorities. Indiana shares many similarities with her southern neighbors, and it’s always remarked that the state was settled northwards from the river. The democrats, like many a chamber back before Obama, could still win elections on increasingly red turf. In 2000 the state house was Blue, the State senate had been red for decades, and the governor was O’Bannon (Dem). It was time for Indiana to lose a congressional seat and the dems new exactly how to propose a plan that gave them the maximum possible opportunity. The blood red suburbs were packed hard into two GOP seats, and then the rest of the state was divided up so that democrats could gain a delegation majority. It looks funny in hindsight but IN07 was drawn so as to maximize dem potential: Marion was still a pink county overall, and Dems could not be expected to win a fair Indianapolis square seat.


Indiana Congressional Districts from 2000 to 2010, map from Wikipedia

The results for the map from the Democratic drawer’s perspective were mixed but expected for a decade of ferment. From 2000 to 2006 the democrats lost seats, losing the South Bend IN02 in 2002 and the River-straddling IN09 in 2004. Indiana however was one of the democrats key target states in 2006. IN02 and IN09 flipped right back to blue and the bloody 8th joined on making Indiana’s delegation 5-4 D. All 5 held on in 2008 when Obama scored his shock win, permanently tainting all Indiana DRA data for years to come. Things however were far rosier for the Republicans than an Obama win and a 5-4 delegation presented. Mitch Daniels won reelection comfortably in 2008, the democrats elected had to ideologically bend away from the mainstream to appeal in their districts, and despite the fiscal collapse dems had failed to make notable gains in the state legislature. This all therefore came to a head in 2010 when the GOP swept the southern-aligned 8th and 9th into their fold, captured both chambers with stunning margins, and came 2% away from getting the 2nd as well. Indiana was back in her GOP home.


Indiana Congressional Districts since 2010, map from Wikipedia


Congressional redistricting in 2010 was a rather quiet affair, even though the GOP held all the leavers of power. The crazy stuff can at the state legislative level, there the GOP moved to use to their new rural advantages to lock in majorities for the next decade. Mitch Daniels said he wouldn’t sign off on anything too outlandish and the GOP legislators listened. Counties were kept mostly whole, but the lines still went out of their way to protect the incumbents. The suburban packs were unloaded into every possible GOP to distribute the red voters efficiently. The southern river counties that may vote conserva-dem were carved up, and nearby Bloomington was sunk. Donnelly’s 2010 win showed that the 2nd needed to be readjusted drastically, so the GOP pulled out some of the blue coastal counties and swapped them for red rurals. While this seat still voted for Obama, Donnelly would retire, go statewide, and in effect concede the district to a victorious Republican party.

Since 2011 Redistricting

There isn’t really much to say about Indiana because the GOP map was drawn to be uncompetitive. IN02 has remained a Democratic reach seat since their 2012 loss, but they never have been able to crack the code. The republicans knew what they were doing with Walorski’s eventual district. When Young moved to run for senate in 2016, his replacement was carpetbagger “Tennessee” Trey Hollingsworth. The man carpet-bombed the seat with personal wealth and won the GOP primary. Since then Trey has been a consistent underperformer, but not by as much to give the Democrats a serious opening. The most interesting case has perhaps been IN05, which was last decade a GOP pack. The legislature removed some of its more rural bits to buttress other seats, and gave in (at the time) the wealthy red northern Marion communities. Well, those flipped blue, Hamilton zoomed left, and now the seat is competitive. Donnelley carried the seat in 2018, even in defeat, and Brooks’s retirement gives the Democrats an opening. With redistricting next cycle though, this opening in the 5th is likely to disappear just as fast as it appeared.

2021

How far is the GOP willing to go in 2021? The map can change a lot, or a little, depending on the desires of those in control. Just like in Ohio, the 2010 mappers had a cadre that were all in favor of cracking their big city, but these opinions were wisely sidelined.

The first, most obvious decisions that are going to occur no matter what happens is the reinforcement of 5 and 9. To make both of them absolutely safe, red rurals need to be grabbed and bluer bits like Bloomington and northern Indianapolis will be dropped at least in part. If the dems pick up the 5th the GOP will probably be more aggressive in their reclamation efforts than if the Republicans hold the seat. Ironically, returning the 9th to a Riverside seat might make it safer R whereas in 2000 it was swing.


2020 Least Change style plan in regards to the Lakeshore, overall D+8 CPVI presently

With that out of the way, all eyes turn towards the shrinking IN01. Three broad stroked potential plans exist in regards to the lakeshore seat. The first plan is to leave the district rather similar to what exists now, taking in Lake, Porter, and as much of LaPorte as possible. This style of plan makes the most sense on a ‘least change’ style map, or one that continues to leave counties mostly whole. After all, reinforcing 5 and 9 can be done without carving counties to bits. The second plan fortifies the entire region by transforming the 1st into a ‘snake-by-the-lake’ that goes into South Bend. Such a plan is prefaced on the assumption that Walorski would be fine dropping the city as long as she keeps the suburbs. The advantages of this plan are that the first gets bluer and drops the red rural towns and marginal suburbs. This packs all the areas in the region that still could get more blue into one seat, allowing her neighbors to fortify the 5th far easier. I have also noted that this could give an outlet for the ambitious South Bend democratic community, who currently lack said outlet and end up, I don’t know, running for president.


2020 'Snake-by-the-Lake' Style Plan, overall D+13 CPVI presently

The final plan is to carve up the 1st and produce and new, 8-1 map. The first is shrinking, in large part thanks to Gary’s continuing desire to be the King of the dead Post-Industrial cities. Through cleaver lines the GOP can carve up the region into 3 or 4 red districts, and nobody would be too sad since IN01 is getting a new rep next year.  There are downsides to this of course, communities of interest and incumbent desires will have to go out the window in favor of partisanship. Speaking of incumbent desires, nobody on the GOP side may even want to have Gary in their seat and just prefer to leave the 1st as a proverbial ‘toxic waste dump’ for minority and poor democrats.

What’s left to decide

Whomever replaces Visclosky in IN01 and Brooks in IN05 are no real concern to those who will hold the pen in 2021. IN01’s fate rests in others hands, not that of it’s potential incumbent. IN05, no matter if it elects a democrat or republican, is going to drop its slice of the city and pick up redder and redder turf. If the seat does elect a dem then maybe the Republicans will be more aggressive in drawing away the blue parts than if the GOP keeps the seat red.

Instead, the big question is whether or not the Presidential majority is just as large in 2020 as it was in 2016. Such a test of partisanship would probably decide whether or not carving up the first is even safely possible. Now, why would trump do worse in a midwestern WWC state? Well, when you are running not as the incumbent, you get a home-state boost in your VP’s home state. This has been proven statistically again and again, thought the boost is usually no more than 2%. Such a boost dissipates somewhat when running for reelection. There is also the outside possibilities surrounding the executive branch that could potentially remake Indiana’s 2020 stability. If Trump dumps Pence for, I don’t know, Haley, there will be a backlash in turnout in the Hoosier state. Such a move won’t flip Indiana evangelicals to Democrats, but may convince them to sit this one out. There also exists the possibility that Trump gets removed from office. In such a scenario it would be President Pence who is running for reelection, and would likely carry Indiana with a larger majority than in 2016. Such numbers would likely be  just as useful as Obama’s ’08 numbers in determining Indiana’s baseline partisanship, but a Hoosier landslide would give Republican mappers more wiggle room to flex their redistricting muscles. Then there's the chance of Buttegieg getting the Dem nomination and giving Indiana a Dem home-state effect....
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2019, 11:09:01 PM »

This is a state where it appears to be possible to make all 9 districts strongly R-leaning:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/indiana/#GOP

Does anyone think this map could come to pass?

Nope, because the trends are clear on every level in Indianapolis. They just have to look at Ohio who tried this in 2000 and got burned, and that was before Colombia became a Sapphire. Like I said above, Pence gave Trump his VP bounce here, which masks a slightly more Dem baseline in regards to PVI, which 538 used exclusively.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2020, 07:09:29 PM »

Are there any threads for statehouse redistricting?


If people are interested, they post their statehouse maps in these threads as well as the congressional maps. The example that immediately springs to mind is Georgia.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2020, 07:10:15 PM »

I did a Republican gerrymander of Indiana. Check out my Garymander of Gary.

My 9R-0D Indiana GOP gerrrymander:



Indianapolis:



Gary:



Ultimate snakemanders like this, or more famously the 27-0 2010 NY map, are not really realistic. I'm also not sure the way how they often use water continuity would be seen as legal, since there is no bridge or connecting identity between the two concerned areas. However, snakemanders serve a vital point, and that is to prove just how brutal a party could be if they threw not just the kitchen sink but every nearby appliance at denying the opposition power. They also help illustrate various geographic advantages, such as Wassermans WI pvi puzzle.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2020, 01:58:10 PM »

Yeah, I doubt the IN GOP will actually remove IN-01, as it is still pretty heavily D. As my map did, they could weaken it to some degree but make it so that Mrvan could lose in a heavy R year. 7-2 is probably stable enough, if they really wanted to push their luck they could do 8-1, but 9-0 is probably a nonstarter.
They could just stick him in an D+1 or so district and hope he loses to a strong R challenger in the next wave. That wouldn't be a bad idea.
why not 8-1?  If 9-0 is plausible, 8-1 is easy.
But I don't agree with either statement.
Indiana is Trump+19, you can make a map where every district is at least double digits for Trump.  Risky, but it would likely end up working. 

This applies to everyone who is drawing maps for states without an unbiased citizen-led commission: Partisanship is not the only concern when drawing districts, and is sometimes not the most important. Incumbents or legislative allies can and will level demands that oftentimes cannot be ignored without making enemies out of some faction of your caucus, who in time may enact their revenge. Mappers may have geographic or cultural biases and draw maps to those groups favor - as seen in Louisiana 2010 and the Northern-favoring state GOP leadership. Sometimes states fear outside action, be that citizen referendum or the DOJ back before Shelby, and maybe once again if a Biden trifecta creates modern section 4 guidelines for our data driven era.

The only real times when partisanship is the only factor in redistricting is when the mappers fear for their political lives - best seen in the last maps Georgia and Texas democrats put into law.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2020, 04:47:30 PM »

https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/news-and-opinion/politics/will-the-fifth-district-follow-americas-suburbs-left

This is mostly a puff piece on IN-05's suburbs, but it contains an interesting exposé into how Indiana came to their initial congressional districts in 2010. We already knew the public side, with Mitch Daniels pushing for 'clean' Republican lines, but not the private backroom side of things.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2021, 09:32:11 PM »

Splitting Indianapolis like that would lead to lawsuits up the ass. A 8-1 is more likely than 9-0.
I think they'll go 8-1 but what exactly would you sue over? Carson's seat is not protected by the VRA as the current version is less than 30% black.

I'm sure you can argue - and groups will if done - that a 30% AA seat offers access to minority voters cause they on their own can decide the Dem primary, which then decides the general. Carving it up therefore violates the VRA because you are - and not the natural process of population migration as seen in Detroit for example - eliminating minority access already granted and proven to work.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2021, 09:53:54 AM »


This is something I find interesting about Indiana. In 2012 they understood the GOP had a solid partisan advantage and didn't see any need to mess up the lines and did a clean gerrymander  - sensible but biased. Interesting to see that it might happen again.
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2021, 11:07:21 AM »


Least-Change style plan, looks great. IN-05 trades the south of the county for the north to reinforce IN-05, but we knew that was coming from a mile away.  

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2021, 11:16:02 AM »

For all the focus on IN-01, the biggest change from the map seems to be centered on the South of the state. The current IN-09 is practically dismantled.

They no longer fear a blue dog reemerging from the south of the state, so there is no need to trisect it. Hollingsworth's Indiana address is in the south of the state, and Clout-heavy Pence lives in the suburbs, so both could benefit. Also if Hollingsworth is actually going statewide in 2024 then some southern legislator might have wanted a future job opportunity.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2021, 11:29:41 AM »
« Edited: September 14, 2021, 12:51:09 PM by Oryxslayer »



State house map.

Is that actually a Dem pack in Carmel/Fishers I spot?

Most obtuse district is probably the one that goes around the edge of SW Marion, so yeah, definitely cleaned up.
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2021, 12:15:36 PM »

I wonder what the breakdown is for the 2018 Senate race is with the new map? Im glad that they drew 7-2. it's annoying that they shored up IN-05 but they could have gone for 8-1 or 9-0 which would have been horrible. So I'll take it lol.

2018 race is solid 7-2, with the closest district being IN-02 at Braun+8. A safe map under a 'closer' election seems to be the desired outcome.
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2021, 02:01:39 PM »
« Edited: September 14, 2021, 02:21:52 PM by Oryxslayer »

IN-1 at Biden +8 could trend R and eventually flip. Problem is that by the time this happens, it's possible some of the new Trump +12 Texas suburban seats are D+5 and cancels it out. Who knows if maybe we have some backdoor deals like keeping an IN-1, MO-5 in exchange for a redder NM-2, MD-1.

I think a big factor in minimal change maps is incumbents not wanting  40% of constituents to be new as this invites MAGA challengers.  

The commentariot are the only ones who believe that there are deals between mappers across states. Spoilers, this is a state-by-state process, with an infinite number of local variables - the desire for nation partisan gain being only one. The national party has very limited power to influence the lines. As you note, its probably a case of incumbents liking their current seats, as is usual during this process. I did note at the start of this thread that no Republican would want Gary in their seat, just for cultural reasons and that they would have to open an office for constituent outreach reasons in such a populous area.

The only people who actually can influence maps across state lines are us - those who submit maps to mappers for multiple states - and the mapping firms/lawyers who draw the lines and can be contracted by multiple clients. Like the GOPs unscrupulous snake from 2010 who died recently.
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2021, 07:14:23 PM »

BTW, something I didn't realize until now when I'm looking at it but the proposed IN-07 is plurality white/majority minority coalition. That I think settles our discussion from earlier whether the GOP could ever get away with slicing up the city like a pizza - they can't cause the data is there for minority access.
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