Elizabeth Warren 2020 Megathread v2 (pg 35 - Emily List support)

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

She's running because she wants to do the job.

She also would be an excellent compromise candidate. She also has put more into super Tuesday states than SC, so of course she's waiting for that before reassessing.

I agree with this post in spirit but in reality no candidate is an excellent compromise candidate. The left wing of the party is so insistent on Sanders that they will burn the party to the ground if he is not the nominee.

If Sanders wins a delegate plurality and anybody else (including Warren) is nominated, there will be a credible leftist third party challenge to the Democrats well before 2024. I would honestly be shocked and extremely disappointed if Warren didn't recognize this after being humiliated on Tuesday.

[Ljube]

She's running because she wants to do the job.

She also would be an excellent compromise candidate. She also has put more into super Tuesday states than SC, so of course she's waiting for that before reassessing.

I agree with this post in spirit but in reality no candidate is an excellent compromise candidate. The left wing of the party is so insistent on Sanders that they will burn the party to the ground if he is not the nominee.

If Sanders wins a delegate plurality and anybody else (including Warren) is nominated, there will be a credible leftist third party challenge to the Democrats well before 2024. I would honestly be shocked and extremely disappointed if Warren didn't recognize this after being humiliated on Tuesday.

Not if Warren is nominated on the 276th ballot.
That will prove that she is the true compromise candidate.

[Koharu]

I guess me and all the other Warren supporters aren't part of the left wing of the party. 🙄

The die-hard, sexist Bernie-or-bust folks don't control the party. There are plenty of Sanders supporters who would be fine with Warren, especially as she would be working towards Bennie's goals. Democrats need to learn from what happened to Republicans. The personality cult around Trump now controls the whole party. Thankfully Bernie has a better heart for others than Trump, but he still has a personality cult around him, and if the party gives in to them in the case of a contested convention, we'll be in a similar boat with a vocal minority running the show. Also, be aware that I don't think everyone who supports Bernie is part of his personality cult. There's a pretty obvious difference between those who are part of it and those who aren't.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Warren is a tool to divide the base. She didn't go to Dakota when it was needed, stayed out of 2016 for fear of angering Clinton, didn't support M4A till every other presidential candidate did & is seemingly open to more moderate ways. She has also said she doesn't rule out PAC money for the GE.

Add to the fact that has poor temperament & massive electability concerns. How is cop Kamala Harris any worse than Warren? Apart from achieving nothing, Warren cant even get elected. And someone with 0 political courage is a failure.

Negative - Warren (She is an absolute fraud). Now says Medicare for all is a "Framework"

Will take SuperPAC money for the General. Lied about her parents eloping to get married about something. Lied about how she got fired. She has been lying about her Native American heritage for decades.

Finally all those lied are being resurfaced. She will do anything in 2020 to get elected & be all goody goody & then in the GE will take PAC money & turn back on progressive idea.s

truly a model of objective analysis

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

I think it proves Warren really cares about the progressive agenda more than taking out Sanders and it being all about herself. She probably doesn't see the point in sinking Bernie, when she really wants to see the Democratic party move in Sanders/Warren direction of free higher education, higher wages/benefits for working families, and socialized medicine.

 She really has saved her vitriol for Bloomberg(deservedly) and the incrementalist Democrats saying the problems we need to tackle are too hard. She also had no problem going after Biden and his bankruptcy/credit companies stances of the past and how she was in direct opposition to him.

 Warren is unlikely to be the nominee but she has kept the energy on the progressive side of the Party. It's good because it shows the support is not about a single candidate but what the voters are demanding.

No, she is a spoiler. Blooomy was eating Biden's share as most "reasonable" moderate. He was likely a papper tiger anyway, but he'd take more from Biden.


Now she keeps Bernie for getting momentum. Pete really wanted to stop Bernie and so he dropped out. Warren really wants to stop Bernie and so she doesn't. She is the worst thing that could happen to Progressive Agenda 

[iceman]

She might not even win Suffolk county or Boston at this point.

[Mr. Illini]

Gotta love how Bernie supporters spent months trashing Warren and now act like they are owed Warren bowing out of the race. She doesn't owe you anything.

Also, to assume that Warren voters will go to Bernie is misguided. All of the crosstabs have shown that they aren't necessarily running in the same lane.

[GP270watch]

Gotta love how Bernie supporters spent months trashing Warren and now act like they are owed Warren bowing out of the race. She doesn't owe you anything.

Also, to assume that Warren voters will go to Bernie is misguided. All of the crosstabs have shown that they aren't necessarily running in the same lane.

 Also a lot of this is already decided. So many people have already voted in upcoming states. Pete dropped out but the vote total will probably not reflect that. Even if you wait to vote on election day many candidates who dropped out still appear on the ballot.

[Heebie Jeebie]

https://twitter.com/WallySierk/status/1234199382968262656

So, I’ve seen both Bernie people and Biden people asking why Warren hasn’t dropped out yet/ why Warren supporters aren’t leaving her to vote for their candidates yet.  I’ve also seen folks warn about the dangers of a brokered convention.  So, here’s my attempt at laying out the case for a continued Warren candidacy, and the reasons for pursuing a brokered convention. 

As the campaign noted today- the efforts to get Warrens as many delegates as possible before the convention is about leverage. The speculation is that she might be leaning towards a VP slot, or other position, but I think the desire for leverage is about 3-4 specific issues that she and her supporters believe are necessary to avoiding systemic collapse over the next 15 years

1:  Prosecutions of Trump era crime.  There is so much criminal activity at so many levels of government, that there is going to be a significant push for a blanket amnesty, to sweep stuff under the rug, border to create/ maintain comity, or eve an as a deal for policy. Biden has explicitly said that he favors putting trump era crime behind us, and not holding people accountable because it would be too divisive. Sanders and his camp have been clear that they are planning to work with and cut deals with whoever they can to get policy passed including re-instating the filibuster and cloture rules.  Warren believed that failure to prosecute will just encourage more lawbreaking in the future, as we have seen from the Ford pardons, the Regan era pardons and the ignoring of  Bush war crimes by the Obama administration

2: development and maintenance of a left/center coalition for passing progressive policy.  Sanders and his campaign show them selves to be some combination of disinterested and unable to build coalitions with other groups.  Biden has historically been in favor of Center/right Coalitions.  Either of those states will stymie the passage and implementation of progressive policies.  People who critique Warren voters for not supporting Sanders say “why don’t you want healthcare and college” that’s the wrong question, we want those policies We don’t think Sanders can deliver.  I personally think Biden doesn’t want to deliver these policies, so it might give home the edge in getting my vote, but if Sanders gets the nomination without a coalition with Warren, M4A will be vaporware in my (shortened) lifetime

3: Race- aware policy.  Both Sanders and Biden have been clear that WWC  concerns about economic issues are more of a priority for their campaigns than addressing racial inequality specifically.  The Warren campaign has been specific about race- conscious design and Implementation of policy .  Without some easing of racial political and economic inequality, and specific protections for minority communities, the violence in society will get worse.  I realize that the argument there is that no the Biden and Sanders are doing better With Af-am and Hispanic voters, but Warren is doing better with activists and elected leaders from those communities. I think that these are the people who have read more policy and have studied the underlying problems more thoroughly than the average voter.

So, the Warren campaign wants more delegates to get more leverage at the convention, in order to move Biden or Sanders on these issues, because they don’t trust them to get it right, and getting it wrong on anyhow these will be disastrous. You can keep sh**tting on Warren, and Warren supporters, but one of the reasons we support her is that we see glaring flaws with the other options, and the stakes are too high to punt.  It would be nice, if unlikely that either of those two campaigns would seek to engage her And her supporters before the convention, so unless and until that happens, she has to seek leverage, and many of us will continue to support her and her efforts.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1234346218119192577

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Why does it seem like Warren is getting so much more pressure to drop out immediately than Klobuchar? 

Whatever you think of Warren's chances, they are 100x better than Klobuchar, who almost certainly won't win a single delegate tomorrow outside of her home state. 

And at least there is a clear policy rational for Warren's candidacy distinct from Biden and Bernie, unlike Klobuchar, who seem to have no positions beyond being from Minnesota.

[Oryxslayer]

Somehow, Warren makes it to the final four. In some way, she and Bloomberg may sustain each other, especially if they both get Cali and TX delegates tomorrow.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Why does it seem like Warren is getting so much more pressure to drop out immediately than Klobuchar? 

Whatever you think of Warren's chances, they are 100x better than Klobuchar, who almost certainly won't win a single delegate tomorrow outside of her home state. 

And at least there is a clear policy rational for Warren's candidacy distinct from Biden and Bernie, unlike Klobuchar, who seem to have no positions beyond being from Minnesota.

Welp...wrote this 10 minutes too early.

[KaiserDave]

Pete did far better than Warren in Iowa & NH & also in Nevada & South Carolina. And he has dropped out.

Why is Warren running ? Does she have an agreement with Joe Biden to be the VP ? Does she have to take votes away from Bernie to be Biden's VP? She is taking crucial delegates away from Bernie in California, Texas & Massachusetts.

Get a new hobby

Hey, it's a legit question. And while it's unlikely Biden would choose Warren as his running mate, it seems more likely then not there's some tacit agreement between them to weaken Sanders by her staying in  until after super Tuesday .

She will also probably take delegates away from Sanders in Colorado and Maine as well.

Sure, but Shadows seems to do nothing but attack Warren endlessly. It has gotten stale.

[Ljube]

Pete did far better than Warren in Iowa & NH & also in Nevada & South Carolina. And he has dropped out.

Why is Warren running ? Does she have an agreement with Joe Biden to be the VP ? Does she have to take votes away from Bernie to be Biden's VP? She is taking crucial delegates away from Bernie in California, Texas & Massachusetts.

Get a new hobby

Hey, it's a legit question. And while it's unlikely Biden would choose Warren as his running mate, it seems more likely then not there's some tacit agreement between them to weaken Sanders by her staying in  until after super Tuesday .

She will also probably take delegates away from Sanders in Colorado and Maine as well.

Sure, but Shadows seems to do nothing but attack Warren endlessly. It has gotten stale.

You should've seen Shadows in 2016.
This is Mr. Nice Guy Shadows.

[KaiserDave]

Pete did far better than Warren in Iowa & NH & also in Nevada & South Carolina. And he has dropped out.

Why is Warren running ? Does she have an agreement with Joe Biden to be the VP ? Does she have to take votes away from Bernie to be Biden's VP? She is taking crucial delegates away from Bernie in California, Texas & Massachusetts.

Get a new hobby

Hey, it's a legit question. And while it's unlikely Biden would choose Warren as his running mate, it seems more likely then not there's some tacit agreement between them to weaken Sanders by her staying in  until after super Tuesday .

She will also probably take delegates away from Sanders in Colorado and Maine as well.

Sure, but Shadows seems to do nothing but attack Warren endlessly. It has gotten stale.

You should've seen Shadows in 2016.
This is Mr. Nice Guy Shadows.

I can only imagine

[Dr. Arch]

Pete did far better than Warren in Iowa & NH & also in Nevada & South Carolina. And he has dropped out.

Why is Warren running ? Does she have an agreement with Joe Biden to be the VP ? Does she have to take votes away from Bernie to be Biden's VP? She is taking crucial delegates away from Bernie in California, Texas & Massachusetts.

Get a new hobby

Hey, it's a legit question. And while it's unlikely Biden would choose Warren as his running mate, it seems more likely then not there's some tacit agreement between them to weaken Sanders by her staying in  until after super Tuesday .

She will also probably take delegates away from Sanders in Colorado and Maine as well.

Sure, but Shadows seems to do nothing but attack Warren endlessly. It has gotten stale.

You should've seen Shadows in 2016.
This is Mr. Nice Guy Shadows.

I can only imagine

I was here. He is vastly improved. 

[Gracile]

EMILY's List has endorsed Warren:

https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/1234595049918341123

[(no subject)]

Kerry folded when he was Swiftboated. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the GOP has Pocahontas adverts in reserve that are ready to use. Most voters in the general are not the progressive multi-cultural elite. I'm also sure that the GOP will find footage/soundbites of Warren progressives talking about "settlers", "colonial rule", "stolen land" and "indigenous sovereignty" - which would be overkill, but even just one of those phrases is toxic to most white voters.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Warren has become the full sjw candidate.

[Shadows]

Warren drop out & Warren endorse Bernie are trending but I guess she is so delusional that she wants to go to the convention with 200 delegates. Or maybe she has a VP deal with Biden given that she hasn't attacked Biden even 1 time in this process. Progressive Hero Warren. Sad how far she has fallen. She is basically ending the progressive movement, progressive policies once & for all & is handing the race to Biden. This is what her legacy will be.

[Blue3]

Warren takes aim at Biden: A 'Washington insider will not meet this moment'

In her sharpest attack yet on the former vice president, Warren says Biden is a risk to the Democratic Party and the country.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/warren-takes-aim-biden-washington-insider-will-not-meet-moment-n1147696

[Calthrina950]

Warren takes aim at Biden: A 'Washington insider will not meet this moment'

In her sharpest attack yet on the former vice president, Warren says Biden is a risk to the Democratic Party and the country.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/warren-takes-aim-biden-washington-insider-will-not-meet-moment-n1147696

Warren should drop out and endorse Sanders, but she is stubborn and seems to display no signs of wishing to do so. She has been a very weak candidate and has shot herself in the foot multiple times throughout the primary process. And she might even lose her home state today. If she does, then I don't see how she has any excuse to remain in the field.

[GP270watch]

 I hope she stays in forever... 

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The Emily's List endorsement is a prime demonstration of how both Klobuchar and Pete exiles are not bound to move behind Biden.

Personally, I think their endorsement of Biden was intended to and will have the most effect on those of their supporters who would be debating between Biden as Bloomberg as their second choice.