Are Mormons becoming more LGTB+ friendly?

[Padfoot]

I came across this map and I was surprised to see that the ENTIRE Utah House delegation voted with the Democrats on this bill.  Mormons have never struck me as a particularly LGTB+ friendly group so I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the potential motivating factors here.  I've never been one to buy into the whole "Bl-Utah" concept but this seems to be evidence in favor of a potential major shift for Mormon political ideology.

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[Hope For A New Era]

I suppose it's kind of a #trends phenomenon. Mormons are very suburban, very educated, and very middle-class.

There's also a cultural dimension to it in Utah. The political climate is simply "friendlier" there than it is in most states, in a way which is hard to describe clearly and concisely, but which is exemplified by the current governor Spencer Cox. If there's one place where 90s-00s "compassionate conservatism" still lives, it's definitely Utah.

[If my soul was made of stone]

Yeah the LDS Church, while pretty deeply homophobic, is more sincere about a kind of "love the sinner, hate the sin" attitude towards LGBT people than most other churches in America and genuinely goes to bat sometimes for nondiscrimination laws. Utah is probably the least homophobic state where Trump cleared 55%, except maybe Montana.

That's not to say that it's not extremely homophobic however!

[jamestroll]

Largely yes, but still very oppressive compared to the mainstream United States and less oppressive than the religious people in the southern United States.

Also, mormon people are caring less and less of their Mormonism and as that continues to decline LGBT issues will be less hot button issue.

[MaxQue]

No, but at the same time, Mormons are not fire and brimstone, in your face, Southern Baptists (and in fact, don't like them much).

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Do y’all not remember the BYU debacle last year?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Do y’all not remember the BYU debacle last year?

I clearly don't as I have no clue what you're referring to.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Do y’all not remember the BYU debacle last year?

I clearly don't as I have no clue what you're referring to.

Oh damn, and apperently it was 2 years ago.

But in February 2020 BYU updated its “honor code” and removed any mention of same sex contact, relationship, marriage etc. Previously it had been strongly against school rules to be gay on campus. This change lead many previously closeted students and faculty to publicly celebrate this decision as they interrupted this has the school no longer prohibiting being gay.

Fast forward a few weeks BYU updates their honor code *again* and the president of the Quorum of the Twelve issues new statements condemning same sex relationship as illegitimate and clarifying that it was an accidental omission, not a policy change.

Understandably, this lead to massive backlash from LGBT students, faculty, and alumni as they felt tricked and betrayed like something from Mao’s China. Being lured out only to be cast back into the shadows. Not only was it emotionally damaging, but faculty members and scholarship students were now in potential jeopardy of loosing their job, and all student feared disciplinary actions.

This whole issues also lead to a Title IX investigation over BYU’s treatment of queer students.
Some sources;
https://twitter.com/byu/status/1235267296970473472?s=21&t=x6ATqjFuEMnTFH-QKr...

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/4/21163585/byu-honor-code-lds-mormon-church-gay-marriage-lgbtq?_amp=true

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2020/03/04/after-byu-honor-code/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/21/us/brigham-young-homosexual-behavior-honor-code-trnd/index.html

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2022/02/10/feds-dismiss-complaint/

[If my soul was made of stone]

Do y’all not remember the BYU debacle last year?

I clearly don't as I have no clue what you're referring to.

Oh damn, and apperently it was 2 years ago.

But in February 2020 BYU updated its “honor code” and removed any mention of same sex contact, relationship, marriage etc. Previously it had been strongly against school rules to be gay on campus. This change lead many previously closeted students and faculty to publicly celebrate this decision as they interrupted this has the school no longer prohibiting being gay.

Fast forward a few weeks BYU updates their honor code *again* and the president of the Quorum of the Twelve issues new statements condemning same sex relationship as illegitimate and clarifying that it was an accidental omission, not a policy change.

Understandably, this lead to massive backlash from LGBT students, faculty, and alumni as they felt tricked and betrayed like something from Mao’s China. Being lured out only to be cast back into the shadows. Not only was it emotionally damaging, but faculty members and scholarship students were now in potential jeopardy of loosing their job, and all student feared disciplinary actions.

This whole issues also lead to a Title IX investigation over BYU’s treatment of queer students.
Some sources;
https://twitter.com/byu/status/1235267296970473472?s=21&t=x6ATqjFuEMnTFH-QKr...

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/4/21163585/byu-honor-code-lds-mormon-church-gay-marriage-lgbtq?_amp=true

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2020/03/04/after-byu-honor-code/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/21/us/brigham-young-homosexual-behavior-honor-code-trnd/index.html

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2022/02/10/feds-dismiss-complaint/

The ability of some strange sort of LGBT culture to persist at BYU in spite of everything is an admirable testament to our will as a people that even my Zoomer fear of the sort of sincerity embodied by general Mormon and ex-Mormon cultural signifiers must respect.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Do y’all not remember the BYU debacle last year?

I clearly don't as I have no clue what you're referring to.

Oh damn, and apperently it was 2 years ago.

But in February 2020 BYU updated its “honor code” and removed any mention of same sex contact, relationship, marriage etc. Previously it had been strongly against school rules to be gay on campus. This change lead many previously closeted students and faculty to publicly celebrate this decision as they interrupted this has the school no longer prohibiting being gay.

Fast forward a few weeks BYU updates their honor code *again* and the president of the Quorum of the Twelve issues new statements condemning same sex relationship as illegitimate and clarifying that it was an accidental omission, not a policy change.

Understandably, this lead to massive backlash from LGBT students, faculty, and alumni as they felt tricked and betrayed like something from Mao’s China. Being lured out only to be cast back into the shadows. Not only was it emotionally damaging, but faculty members and scholarship students were now in potential jeopardy of loosing their job, and all student feared disciplinary actions.

This whole issues also lead to a Title IX investigation over BYU’s treatment of queer students.
Some sources;
https://twitter.com/byu/status/1235267296970473472?s=21&t=x6ATqjFuEMnTFH-QKr...

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/4/21163585/byu-honor-code-lds-mormon-church-gay-marriage-lgbtq?_amp=true

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2020/03/04/after-byu-honor-code/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/21/us/brigham-young-homosexual-behavior-honor-code-trnd/index.html

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2022/02/10/feds-dismiss-complaint/

The ability of some strange sort of LGBT culture to persist at BYU in spite of everything is an admirable testament to our will as a people that even my Zoomer fear of the sort of sincerity embodied by general Mormon and ex-Mormon cultural signifiers must respect.

You also have to understand that many LGBT people at BYU don’t have other choices. It’s heavily expected for Utahn Mormons to attend, and it’s considerably cheaper then other options because of the scholarships and endowments they receive. Not to mention that it does actually have many high ranking programs. Not to mention the people who discover their sexuality in college, and to transfer would basically out themselves. I have have nothing but admiration and respect for lgbt students at BYU