SENATE BILL: North American Federal Transition Act (Passed)

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Fremont is by far the smallest region, and always has been, so it's clearly logical that most land should be given to Fremont to try and even up the regional population imbalance.

Why is having the smallest population a bad thing? If anything it means Fremont's voters have greater power in the senate where this bill is currently being discussed.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Fremont is by far the smallest region, and always has been, so it's clearly logical that most land should be given to Fremont to try and even up the regional population imbalance.

Why is having the smallest population a bad thing? If anything it means Fremont's voters have greater power in the senate where this bill is currently being discussed.

It means Fremont is in a constant state of inactivity and malaise compared to the other two regions, due to being almost half the size of either the South or Lincoln.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Hilarious to hear any Southerner complaining about imperialism, especially as they continue to defend the occupation of Kansas! ASV is of course correct that giving the most-populous region all of Mexico and Central America is hardly balanced. Hopefully the Senate can come agree on a map that is fair to everyone.

[fhtagn]

Fremont is by far the smallest region, and always has been, so it's clearly logical that most land should be given to Fremont to try and even up the regional population imbalance.

Why is having the smallest population a bad thing? If anything it means Fremont's voters have greater power in the senate where this bill is currently being discussed.

It means Fremont is in a constant state of inactivity and malaise compared to the other two regions, due to being almost half the size of either the South or Lincoln.

More land in game doesn't have anything to do with who registers in game. Nor does it have anything to do with activity.

[Former President tack50]

I fear I have to agree with fhtagn here. There is absolutely no correlation between activity and the amount of land Atlasia annexes or not.

I am also fully against annexing Mexico. There are barely any Mexican posters here in the first place (who would be interested in registering in Mexico) and adding all of Mexico's states would be way too many. And even if we did consolidation of Mexico's states, that would still not be good.

I am not against annexing Canada though, given the fact that Atlas actually does have a sizable Canadian population and the fact that there is pre-reset precedent. If the problem is that the South gets no Canadian territories, I present the following compromise:

Fremont: British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and the 3 territories
Lincoln: Ontario, Quebec and Newfoundland & Labrador
South: Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick

This gives a relatively clean map and also keeps Canada's communities of interest relatively intact. Only problem is Fremont gets 7 new states compared to Lincoln's and the South's 3 new territories but I don't think that is a problem for the same reasons fhtagn points out.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

There is absolutely no rhyme nor reason for the Atlantic Provinces to illogically be included in the South. The main benefit of also including Mexico is that the South then also gains territory which actually makes geographical sense.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Fremont is by far the smallest region, and always has been, so it's clearly logical that most land should be given to Fremont to try and even up the regional population imbalance.

Why is having the smallest population a bad thing? If anything it means Fremont's voters have greater power in the senate where this bill is currently being discussed.

It means Fremont is in a constant state of inactivity and malaise compared to the other two regions, due to being almost half the size of either the South or Lincoln.

More land in game doesn't have anything to do with who registers in game. Nor does it have anything to do with activity.

Well then why don't we allocate the provinces purely geographically. West of Manitoba inclusive goes to Fremont, East of Ontario inclusive goes to Lincoln, the South gets nothing because that would make no sense.

[fhtagn]

Fremont is by far the smallest region, and always has been, so it's clearly logical that most land should be given to Fremont to try and even up the regional population imbalance.

Why is having the smallest population a bad thing? If anything it means Fremont's voters have greater power in the senate where this bill is currently being discussed.

It means Fremont is in a constant state of inactivity and malaise compared to the other two regions, due to being almost half the size of either the South or Lincoln.

More land in game doesn't have anything to do with who registers in game. Nor does it have anything to do with activity.

Well then why don't we allocate the provinces purely geographically. West of Manitoba inclusive goes to Fremont, East of Ontario inclusive goes to Lincoln, the South gets nothing because that would make no sense.

Why are you arguing that Fremont should have more land because of a "population imbalance" when land in game does nothing to raise the number of registered players in Fremont. Every bit of your argument here doesn't support why Fremont should have more land.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

There is absolutely no rhyme nor reason for the Atlantic Provinces to illogically be included in the South. The main benefit of also including Mexico is that the South then also gains territory which actually makes geographical sense.

Yep!

[Devout Centrist]

If Fhtagn wants the 'Golden Circle' to be annexed by her Southern homeland, I believe we can work out a compromise. However, don't get any ideas about admitting slave states to the union.

[Devout Centrist]

Surly the Federal government should be working on looking after its own citizens rather than imperialistic expansion via trade deals.

If this bill passes, these people will be our citizens. Of course we'll be looking after our own.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would support tack's division of Canada absent the Mexican Acquisition.

[YE]

There is absolutely no rhyme nor reason for the Atlantic Provinces to illogically be included in the South. The main benefit of also including Mexico is that the South then also gains territory which actually makes geographical sense.

Agreed giving most regs to Canada will probably be discord voters strat regging, geography balance means little here.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Draft of an amendment:

AN ACT
to establish a federal North America

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives, in Congress assembled:

Section 1 (Title)
i. The title of this Act shall be, the North American Federal Transition Act. It may be cited as “NAFTA.”

Section 2 (Federal North America)
i. The republics of Belize, Costa Rica, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, the Commonwealth of the Bahamas (The Bahamas), Greenland, Jamaica, the United Mexican States (Mexico), and Canada are admitted to the Union.
ii. Costa Rica; El Salvador; Guatemala; Honduras; Nicaragua; Panama; the Canadian provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan and the territories of Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and Yukon; as well as the reorganized Mexican states of Sonora (comprising the current states Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Durango, Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Sonora), Mexico City (comprising the current states of Chiapas, Mexico City, Guerrero, Morelos, Oaxaca, Puebla and Tlaxcala), and Mexico (comprising the current states of Colima, Hidalgo, Estado de México and Michoacán); shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the Commonwealth of Frémont.
iii. Greenland and the Canadian provinces New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Quebec shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the region of Lincoln.
iv. The Bahamas; Belize; Cuba; the Dominican Republic; Haiti; and Jamaica; as well as the reorganized Mexican states of Nuevo Leon (comprising the current states of Aguascalientes, Coahuila, Guanajuato, Nuevo León, Querétaro, San Luis Potosí, Tamaulipas and Zacatecas) and Yucatan (comprising the current states of Campeche, Quintana Roo, Tabasco, Veracruz and Yucatán); shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the Southern Region.

Section 3 (Enactment)
i. This Act shall take effect upon its ratification by the Parliament of Canada each of the aforementioned signatories.

This would incorporate all of North America except the Eastern Carribean, the Caiman Islands, and the Turks and Caicos Islands. The Mexican states are consolidated as above proposed to make life easier for the RG.

[Devout Centrist]

Looks agreeable to me

[Peanut]

I like this!


(I do wonder if people would be ok with Lincoln getting Costa Rica though... no reason at all of course! )

[Dr. MB]

Introducing this amendment on Truman's behalf:

Draft of an amendment:

AN ACT
to establish a federal North America

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives, in Congress assembled:

Section 1 (Title)
i. The title of this Act shall be, the North American Federal Transition Act. It may be cited as “NAFTA.”

Section 2 (Federal North America)
i. The republics of Belize, Costa Rica, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, the Commonwealth of the Bahamas (The Bahamas), Greenland, Jamaica, the United Mexican States (Mexico), and Canada are admitted to the Union.
ii. Costa Rica; El Salvador; Guatemala; Honduras; Nicaragua; Panama; the Canadian provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan and the territories of Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and Yukon; as well as the reorganized Mexican states of Sonora (comprising the current states Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Durango, Jalisco, Nayarit, Sinaloa and Sonora), Mexico City (comprising the current states of Chiapas, Mexico City, Guerrero, Morelos, Oaxaca, Puebla and Tlaxcala), and Mexico (comprising the current states of Colima, Hidalgo, Estado de México and Michoacán); shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the Commonwealth of Frémont.
iii. Greenland and the Canadian provinces New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, and Quebec shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the region of Lincoln.
iv. The Bahamas; Belize; Cuba; the Dominican Republic; Haiti; and Jamaica; as well as the reorganized Mexican states of Nuevo Leon (comprising the current states of Aguascalientes, Coahuila, Guanajuato, Nuevo León, Querétaro, San Luis Potosí, Tamaulipas and Zacatecas) and Yucatan (comprising the current states of Campeche, Quintana Roo, Tabasco, Veracruz and Yucatán); shall be admitted to the Union as constituent states of the Southern Region.

Section 3 (Enactment)
i. This Act shall take effect upon its ratification by the Parliament of Canada each of the aforementioned signatories.

This would incorporate all of North America except the Eastern Carribean, the Caiman Islands, and the Turks and Caicos Islands. The Mexican states are consolidated as above proposed to make life easier for the RG.

24 hours for objections.

[Dr. MB]

Objecting to the amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

WE are now voting on the amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Dr. MB]

Nay

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am tempted to do a skit based on the Treaty of Westphalia skit.


Yankee: Now hold on, you can't just give Fremont and Lincoln more territory
MB: I thought you didn't want it  
Yankee: Yeah, but that doesn't mean you can just give them another province
ASV: What about Mexico?
Truman: Now here then let's split it, Fremont gets the Western Half and South gets the Eastern Half
MB: Is it wise to split a country in such wild and ragged a fashion? In the future we will have Fremontese Mexicans and Southern Mexicans, both at each other's throats.
Truman: Oh that will just give articles in the future something to write about...
Yankee: I must say with this redraw of the Euro...North American Borders, you really do spoil us.  

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Joking aside, we are voting here.

[Devout Centrist]

Aye

[Peanut]

Aye.

[ON Progressive]

Aye