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« on: November 02, 2019, 11:03:04 AM »

The Room Where it Happens : Thomas Jefferson dies of dysentery the day after Election Night, 1800. As a result, the Running Mate of his, Aaron Burr of New York, becomes President. With the ambitious, progressive, and brilliant rival of A. Hamilton finally in the Oval Office after years of waiting, what will be in store for America for the Burr Administration and beyond?

Good Politicians require Good Backbones : Charles Sumner runs for and wins the Republican Nomination before winning the 1860 general election, leading to a more radical plan for the end of the civil war, but first America must get through her time of struggles.

An Enemy of Southern Wrongs : Benjamin Butler is Nominated to be the Vice President in the 1864 Presidential Election for the Republicans. Everything goes OTL until Lincoln's Assassination. With an anti-southern, radical reconstruction Republican in the White House in the Aftermath of America's deadliest war instead of the southern friendly, moderate reconstruction Andrew Johnson, how will the South, and the Nation, look in just 10 years?

The Telegram that Changed an Election : During the 1884 RNC, RTL's telegram to Illinois Senator Shelby Cullom is successfully recieved and almost immediately, due to its contents, the RNC nominates President Arthur and RTL accepts the VP Nomination out of personal loyalty to Arthur. What will be the outcome of the 1884 Election with the Republicans holding a popular Arthur/Lincoln Ticket and what comes next?

of these four, which would you rather see?
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2019, 01:01:27 PM »

Sumner!
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2019, 04:47:12 PM »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11laTN3VEIXto2MXIMUQ8kWEfHlX9r8brDxiwXBOQyc4/edit?usp=sharing I also made this as an idea. If anyone would enjoy to see a TL further going into a Tad Presidency and beyond, recommend and quote this post as your vote.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2019, 10:25:44 PM »

I voted for the third option, but re: The fourth one... I’ve never heard of this before. Would you care to enlighten me?
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2019, 07:30:47 AM »

I voted for the third option, but re: The fourth one... I’ve never heard of this before. Would you care to enlighten me?

Ok, so in 1884, President Chester Arthur, who ascended to the office after Garfield's Assassination in 1881, was extremely Popular but he was in poor health (he was ill with Bright's disease) so he didn't campaign as heavily for the nomination (He wouldn't have been renominated as he never got the nom in the first place), instead losing it to the corrupt Blaine from Maine, who would go on to lose to Cleveland in the general. If Arthur campaigned a tad bit harder for the nomination, it's likely he would've won, likely winning NY by a point or two and flipping CT and maybe NJ or IN in the general against Cleveland but he he was still ill and would've died in 1886 per OTL or even earlier due to the stress of the job, meaning his VP would've succeeded him as president.

Now as to who his VP would've, a lot of people were considered, but the one man people really wanted for the job was Honest Abe's son, Secretary of War, Robert Todd Lincoln, who was the only Garfield Cabinet member Arthur kept, so Lincoln was personally loyal to him.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/robert-todd-lincoln-possibly-president.350654/#post-10604233

This post explains the situation far better than I can, so 1884 would've seen the Republican ticket be Arthur/Lincoln had it been for that telegram.

Hopefully this answer is satisfying. I love to help educate people on the obscure.
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2019, 09:06:48 PM »

Enemy of Southern Wrongs sounds really interesting! Reconstruction is an exciting era to explore, especially with the scenario you present
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2019, 06:25:20 PM »

so it seems An Enemy of Southern Wrongs as won this poll. Thank you to all who voted Smiley I'll be writing that TL and a second one to go along with it and hopefully post the first updates for both in a few months. If anyone wants to help with either, just Message me and I'll give you the scoop.
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