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« Reply #900 on: January 11, 2022, 01:48:17 PM »

So today we find out what the courts have to say right?

Yes, but no matter what happens it could get appealed up the the NC supremes. Certainly if the ruling is unfavorable to Dems, perhaps also if it's unfavorable to the GOP and the leg is willing screw with the justices.
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« Reply #901 on: January 11, 2022, 04:48:14 PM »

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« Reply #902 on: January 11, 2022, 04:49:42 PM »

Anyone know how the vote went? How did the dem vote ?

Also plaintiffs clearly need to make sd01 and sd02 a bit more about racial stuff. Although the NE black CD is not maximally black it still keeps most of the black community in NE NC together. Sd01 and sd02 are way more egregious in it just flat out splits the black community
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« Reply #903 on: January 11, 2022, 04:53:28 PM »


Now it goes to the state supreme court, likely to be overturned there?
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« Reply #904 on: January 11, 2022, 04:53:55 PM »



The ruling was unanimous so it includes the Democrat.
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« Reply #905 on: January 12, 2022, 03:03:13 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2022, 03:07:04 PM by lfromnj »



This isn't a what about post by me. Note that steins map is when he was in the minority in 2010 .I just find it funny how once you push the 13th entirely into Wake what Democrats wanted in Raleigh 10 years ago is what the GOP prefers now.

Reminder that district 1 was thought to be required to be 50 % black along with 12 .  

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« Reply #906 on: January 12, 2022, 03:17:23 PM »

This isn't a what about post by me. Note that steins map is when he was in the minority in 2010 .I just find it funny how once you push the 13th entirely into Wake what Democrats wanted in Raleigh 10 years ago is what the GOP prefers now.

I'm sure you know this already, but Stein was trying to preserve the old Brad Miller 13th district, which linked Greensboro to Raleigh via touch-point contiguity.



Miller was able to do what Tim Moore couldn't, and gave himself a house seat.
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« Reply #907 on: January 12, 2022, 03:19:12 PM »
« Edited: January 12, 2022, 03:28:26 PM by lfromnj »

This isn't a what about post by me. Note that steins map is when he was in the minority in 2010 .I just find it funny how once you push the 13th entirely into Wake what Democrats wanted in Raleigh 10 years ago is what the GOP prefers now.

I'm sure you know this already, but Stein was trying to preserve the old Brad Miller 13th district, which linked Greensboro to Raleigh via touch-point contiguity.



Miller was able to do what Tim Moore couldn't, and gave himself a house seat.


Yup i posted about it a few months ago when a few  here said it was only white conservative Democrats gerrymandering . Miller was anything but conservative of course. Overall Steins map just seems to be incumbency protection . Obviously Berger posting this map without the context on 1 and 12 is disingenuous  as those 2 were thought to be VRA required.  Demoxrats would have definitely been happier with a whole Mecklenburg district as even McCrory loses it in 2012 . I don't think anyone really cared about 1 as it mostly takes the blackest parts of 3. Maybe 3 might have been winnable for a non blue dog but Walter Jones kept it safe. The funnier thing is that 4 and 2 are relatively reasonable districts and the only difference is 13 shrinks entirely into Raleigh which therefore makes that a ok district.
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« Reply #908 on: January 12, 2022, 04:03:00 PM »

This isn't a what about post by me. Note that steins map is when he was in the minority in 2010 .I just find it funny how once you push the 13th entirely into Wake what Democrats wanted in Raleigh 10 years ago is what the GOP prefers now.

I'm sure you know this already, but Stein was trying to preserve the old Brad Miller 13th district, which linked Greensboro to Raleigh via touch-point contiguity.



Miller was able to do what Tim Moore couldn't, and gave himself a house seat.


Yup i posted about it a few months ago when a few  here said it was only white conservative Democrats gerrymandering . Miller was anything but conservative of course. Overall Steins map just seems to be incumbency protection . Obviously Berger posting this map without the context on 1 and 12 is disingenuous  as those 2 were thought to be VRA required.  Demoxrats would have definitely been happier with a whole Mecklenburg district as even McCrory loses it in 2012 . I don't think anyone really cared about 1 as it mostly takes the blackest parts of 3. Maybe 3 might have been winnable for a non blue dog but Walter Jones kept it safe. The funnier thing is that 4 and 2 are relatively reasonable districts and the only difference is 13 shrinks entirely into Raleigh which therefore makes that a ok district.
Anyone who thinks only white conservatives gerrmandered in NC is making two big mistakes. 1) not realizing that Democrats of all stripes gerrymandered the state with great regularity for over a century, and 2) thinking that gerrymandering is a "Republican" thing altogether.
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« Reply #909 on: January 12, 2022, 04:48:20 PM »

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« Reply #910 on: January 13, 2022, 10:13:21 AM »

How can we expect the state supreme court to rule on this?
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« Reply #911 on: January 13, 2022, 02:32:37 PM »

How can we expect the state supreme court to rule on this?

They’ll probably strike down the congressional maps and appoint a special master at the very least
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« Reply #912 on: January 14, 2022, 02:37:19 PM »

The North Carolina Supreme Court will hear oral arguments on February 2nd in the appeal of the trial court ruling upholding NC congressional and legislative plans.
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« Reply #913 on: January 14, 2022, 03:28:23 PM »

The North Carolina Supreme Court will hear oral arguments on February 2nd in the appeal of the trial court ruling upholding NC congressional and legislative plans.

Looks like the D majority is determined to go down in a final blaze of glory. You love to see it!
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« Reply #914 on: January 14, 2022, 06:40:37 PM »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.
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« Reply #915 on: January 15, 2022, 06:32:47 AM »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.

What good is a Democratic SC if it can be cowed by GOP blackmail?
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« Reply #916 on: January 15, 2022, 06:46:16 AM »
« Edited: January 15, 2022, 06:50:11 AM by Southern Delegate Punxsutawney Phil »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.

What good is a Democratic SC if it can be cowed by GOP blackmail?
What good is throwing away your leverage all for what is highly likely to be a failed gambit? It's better to concede ground so that you can fight another day.
Fighting for the sake of fighting is noble but dumb. Fighting at a time and place where you can expect to win is better at effecting change that actually helps the people.
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« Reply #917 on: January 15, 2022, 07:10:04 AM »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.

You need a 2/3rds majority to remove a justice. How do you conclude such a ridiculous powerplay would mean Dems waiting years for control? If anything, this would help Dems maintain control through popular backlash.
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« Reply #918 on: January 15, 2022, 07:14:26 AM »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.

You need a 2/3rds majority to remove a justice. How do you conclude such a ridiculous powerplay would mean Dems waiting years for control? If anything, this would help Dems maintain control through popular backlash.
Wait, I thought the GOP had the votes to unilaterally impeach the D justices.
This is the first time I'm hearing about a 2/3 requirement.
I'm feeling a bit dumb right now.
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« Reply #919 on: January 15, 2022, 07:29:43 AM »
« Edited: January 15, 2022, 07:35:32 AM by Ritz »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.

You need a 2/3rds majority to remove a justice. How do you conclude such a ridiculous powerplay would mean Dems waiting years for control? If anything, this would help Dems maintain control through popular backlash.
Wait, I thought the GOP had the votes to unilaterally impeach the D justices.
This is the first time I'm hearing about a 2/3 requirement.
I'm feeling a bit dumb right now.

Impeachment is a majority vote in the House, but removal from office is a 2/3rds vote in the Senate. It's being floated as a nuclear option for redistricting because accused officials are temporarily suspended from office until the Senate's verdict.
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« Reply #920 on: January 15, 2022, 08:11:07 AM »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.

You need a 2/3rds majority to remove a justice. How do you conclude such a ridiculous powerplay would mean Dems waiting years for control? If anything, this would help Dems maintain control through popular backlash.
Wait, I thought the GOP had the votes to unilaterally impeach the D justices.
This is the first time I'm hearing about a 2/3 requirement.
I'm feeling a bit dumb right now.

Impeachment is a majority vote in the House, but removal from office is a 2/3rds vote in the Senate. It's being floated as a nuclear option for redistricting because accused officials are temporarily suspended from office until the Senate's verdict.
So, it's most akin to a temporary field advantage.
How soon is the Senate required to give its verdict?
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« Reply #921 on: January 15, 2022, 09:16:24 AM »

If NC Rs impeach the court, even after they strike down maps, then we have to wait years before we have control of it again...while also still likely having to contend with GOP control of the legislature. What a tactical mistake this is.

You need a 2/3rds majority to remove a justice. How do you conclude such a ridiculous powerplay would mean Dems waiting years for control? If anything, this would help Dems maintain control through popular backlash.
Wait, I thought the GOP had the votes to unilaterally impeach the D justices.
This is the first time I'm hearing about a 2/3 requirement.
I'm feeling a bit dumb right now.

Impeachment is a majority vote in the House, but removal from office is a 2/3rds vote in the Senate. It's being floated as a nuclear option for redistricting because accused officials are temporarily suspended from office until the Senate's verdict.
So, it's most akin to a temporary field advantage.
How soon is the Senate required to give its verdict?

No such requirement.
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« Reply #922 on: January 15, 2022, 09:35:56 AM »

So impeach, adjourn the trial, the high court is deadlocked, and thus emasculated. What a country!

This redistricting business is getting out of control. Really.
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« Reply #923 on: January 15, 2022, 03:21:32 PM »

Posts have been confusing? What’s the breakdown right now and what will the final breakdown be? (Will maps be redrawn or what)
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« Reply #924 on: January 15, 2022, 03:58:43 PM »

Posts have been confusing? What’s the breakdown right now and what will the final breakdown be? (Will maps be redrawn or what)

The NCSC granted cert on an appeal of a unanimous trial court ruling. Fairly certain the map is toast.
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