House votes to recognize Armenian Genocide

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Man, the Gosar statement is darkly hilarious in how it tries to contort the mental framework of the Cold War era "AH COMMIES/ RESPECT MUH ALLIES" with the Samuel Huntington new conservatism of "AH MUSLIMS" when the two are contradictory.

[Xing]

About time. My opinion of Omar has just gone steadily downhill. I regret ever thinking highly of her, and it's shameful that so many of my fellow progressives continue to defend her, when the same type of nonsense would get denounced by them if it were coming from a Republican. We can do so much better than her.

[BP🌹]

She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans.

So if the House was voting on a motion to call the transatlantic slave trade a genocide do you think Omar would vote present in that case if other genocides were not also mentioned in the motion?

Actually, the most salient hypothetical alternative scenario would be a vote for recognizing Israeli conflict with Palestinians as a genocide. I doubt she would have conjured up this weak-ass whataboutist excuse in that scenario.

lol

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

Goddam*t Indiana.

[HisGrace]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

What's the reasoning there? Arms sales?

Indiana sells arms to the Turks?

If some kind of huge international scandal or conspiracy ended up centering on Indiana I would never stop laughing.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

What's the reasoning there? Arms sales?

Indiana sells arms to the Turks?

If some kind of huge international scandal or conspiracy ended up centering on Indiana I would never stop laughing.

Ever seen Stranger Things?

[Kingpoleon]

If some kind of huge international scandal or conspiracy ended up centering on Indiana I would never stop laughing.

Stranger things have happened.

[IceSpear]

How would Cenk Uygur have voted?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

https://abc7news.com/politics/us-house-of-representatives-passes-armenian-genocide-resolution/5657113/

Each year, on April 24, Armenian Americans flood the streets of Los Angeles to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, a holiday that commemorates the period between 1915 and 1923 when the Ottoman Empire systematically killed 1.5 million Armenians. Forty-nine states—including California—recognize the event as a genocide, but the United States had long failed to officially do so. Until today.

A legally non-binding resolution affirming that the U.S. should recognize the genocide was overwhelmingly approved in the House today, where the measure was shepherded by L.A. congressman Adam Schiff, who said in a tweet, “We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget.”

From the article:

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), a member of the Turkish Caucus and opponent of the Schiff’s resolution, said, “The critical and longstanding relationship between the United States and Turkey is as essential as ever.”

Wexler added, “We all deeply mourn and pay respect to the horrific tragedy and loss of life that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century, but we must not compromise the safety and security of our troops abroad today.”

Robert Wexler (D-FL) is the FF here.  He's looking out for America, sees the big picture, and thank God for that.

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

[Mr. Smith]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

What's the reasoning there? Arms sales?

Indiana sells arms to the Turks?

If some kind of huge international scandal or conspiracy ended up centering on Indiana I would never stop laughing.

Ever seen Stranger Things?

That was filmed in Georgia though...

[Helsinkian]

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

And yet modern Turkey prosecutes people who call it a genocide within Turkey's borders, charging them with "denigration of the Turkish nation".

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

And yet modern Turkey prosecutes people who call it a genocide within Turkey's borders, charging them with "denigration of the Turkish nation".

That's the internal affairs of Turkey.  I don't care for Turkey as a nation, but they are a NATO ally (even if they don't always act like one).

[Devout Centrist]

https://abc7news.com/politics/us-house-of-representatives-passes-armenian-genocide-resolution/5657113/

Each year, on April 24, Armenian Americans flood the streets of Los Angeles to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, a holiday that commemorates the period between 1915 and 1923 when the Ottoman Empire systematically killed 1.5 million Armenians. Forty-nine states—including California—recognize the event as a genocide, but the United States had long failed to officially do so. Until today.

A legally non-binding resolution affirming that the U.S. should recognize the genocide was overwhelmingly approved in the House today, where the measure was shepherded by L.A. congressman Adam Schiff, who said in a tweet, “We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget.”

From the article:

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), a member of the Turkish Caucus and opponent of the Schiff’s resolution, said, “The critical and longstanding relationship between the United States and Turkey is as essential as ever.”

Wexler added, “We all deeply mourn and pay respect to the horrific tragedy and loss of life that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century, but we must not compromise the safety and security of our troops abroad today.”

Robert Wexler (D-FL) is the FF here.  He's looking out for America, sees the big picture, and thank God for that.

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

Then what’s the problem with calling it a genocide?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

https://abc7news.com/politics/us-house-of-representatives-passes-armenian-genocide-resolution/5657113/

Each year, on April 24, Armenian Americans flood the streets of Los Angeles to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, a holiday that commemorates the period between 1915 and 1923 when the Ottoman Empire systematically killed 1.5 million Armenians. Forty-nine states—including California—recognize the event as a genocide, but the United States had long failed to officially do so. Until today.

A legally non-binding resolution affirming that the U.S. should recognize the genocide was overwhelmingly approved in the House today, where the measure was shepherded by L.A. congressman Adam Schiff, who said in a tweet, “We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget.”

From the article:

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), a member of the Turkish Caucus and opponent of the Schiff’s resolution, said, “The critical and longstanding relationship between the United States and Turkey is as essential as ever.”

Wexler added, “We all deeply mourn and pay respect to the horrific tragedy and loss of life that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century, but we must not compromise the safety and security of our troops abroad today.”

Robert Wexler (D-FL) is the FF here.  He's looking out for America, sees the big picture, and thank God for that.

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

Then what’s the problem with calling it a genocide?

It's very simple.  I'm not going to advocate calling out other nations, especially when they are our allies (albeit one with complications when it comes to Turkey) over things that happened over 100 years ago.  I'm about preventing the next genocide.

[BP🌹]

Many would consider the genocide to have lasted well after WWI, until 1923. There were mass killings of Greeks and Armenians during the "Turkish War of Independence" at the hands of the Turkish revolutionaries led by Ataturk (i.e. not the Ottomans).

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://abc7news.com/politics/us-house-of-representatives-passes-armenian-genocide-resolution/5657113/

Each year, on April 24, Armenian Americans flood the streets of Los Angeles to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, a holiday that commemorates the period between 1915 and 1923 when the Ottoman Empire systematically killed 1.5 million Armenians. Forty-nine states—including California—recognize the event as a genocide, but the United States had long failed to officially do so. Until today.

A legally non-binding resolution affirming that the U.S. should recognize the genocide was overwhelmingly approved in the House today, where the measure was shepherded by L.A. congressman Adam Schiff, who said in a tweet, “We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget.”

From the article:

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), a member of the Turkish Caucus and opponent of the Schiff’s resolution, said, “The critical and longstanding relationship between the United States and Turkey is as essential as ever.”

Wexler added, “We all deeply mourn and pay respect to the horrific tragedy and loss of life that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century, but we must not compromise the safety and security of our troops abroad today.”

Robert Wexler (D-FL) is the FF here.  He's looking out for America, sees the big picture, and thank God for that.

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

Then what’s the problem with calling it a genocide?

It's very simple.  I'm not going to advocate calling out other nations, especially when they are our allies (albeit one with complications when it comes to Turkey) over things that happened over 100 years ago.  I'm about preventing the next genocide.

But we're not allies with the Ottoman Empire, are we, Fuzzy?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

https://abc7news.com/politics/us-house-of-representatives-passes-armenian-genocide-resolution/5657113/

Each year, on April 24, Armenian Americans flood the streets of Los Angeles to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, a holiday that commemorates the period between 1915 and 1923 when the Ottoman Empire systematically killed 1.5 million Armenians. Forty-nine states—including California—recognize the event as a genocide, but the United States had long failed to officially do so. Until today.

A legally non-binding resolution affirming that the U.S. should recognize the genocide was overwhelmingly approved in the House today, where the measure was shepherded by L.A. congressman Adam Schiff, who said in a tweet, “We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget.”

From the article:

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), a member of the Turkish Caucus and opponent of the Schiff’s resolution, said, “The critical and longstanding relationship between the United States and Turkey is as essential as ever.”

Wexler added, “We all deeply mourn and pay respect to the horrific tragedy and loss of life that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century, but we must not compromise the safety and security of our troops abroad today.”

Robert Wexler (D-FL) is the FF here.  He's looking out for America, sees the big picture, and thank God for that.

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

Then what’s the problem with calling it a genocide?

It's very simple.  I'm not going to advocate calling out other nations, especially when they are our allies (albeit one with complications when it comes to Turkey) over things that happened over 100 years ago.  I'm about preventing the next genocide.

But we're not allies with the Ottoman Empire, are we, Fuzzy?

Was it genocide?  Likely, yes.  Lot's of Armenians died, and I find the Turkish arguments that it was not genocide rather unconvincing.

Do I want the Congress to affirm this in a resolution.  No, I do not.  That would not be in the practical interest of America and its citizens.

[Technocracy Timmy]

US troops stationed in Turkey can’t leave the premises of military installations there due to rising tensions in the nation.

Perhaps we should have a broader discussion about why we’re sending men and women in uniform to a nation already that hostile to us. And a follow up discussion for why we’re so strongly attached to a nation that could retaliate against our military presence further simply for recognizing historical realities.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://abc7news.com/politics/us-house-of-representatives-passes-armenian-genocide-resolution/5657113/

Each year, on April 24, Armenian Americans flood the streets of Los Angeles to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, a holiday that commemorates the period between 1915 and 1923 when the Ottoman Empire systematically killed 1.5 million Armenians. Forty-nine states—including California—recognize the event as a genocide, but the United States had long failed to officially do so. Until today.

A legally non-binding resolution affirming that the U.S. should recognize the genocide was overwhelmingly approved in the House today, where the measure was shepherded by L.A. congressman Adam Schiff, who said in a tweet, “We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget.”

From the article:

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), a member of the Turkish Caucus and opponent of the Schiff’s resolution, said, “The critical and longstanding relationship between the United States and Turkey is as essential as ever.”

Wexler added, “We all deeply mourn and pay respect to the horrific tragedy and loss of life that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century, but we must not compromise the safety and security of our troops abroad today.”

Robert Wexler (D-FL) is the FF here.  He's looking out for America, sees the big picture, and thank God for that.

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

Then what’s the problem with calling it a genocide?

It's very simple.  I'm not going to advocate calling out other nations, especially when they are our allies (albeit one with complications when it comes to Turkey) over things that happened over 100 years ago.  I'm about preventing the next genocide.

But we're not allies with the Ottoman Empire, are we, Fuzzy?

Was it genocide?  Likely, yes.  Lot's of Armenians died, and I find the Turkish arguments that it was not genocide rather unconvincing.

Do I want the Congress to affirm this in a resolution.  No, I do not.  That would not be in the practical interest of America and its citizens.

Either there's a continuity between the Ottoman Empire and Turkey or there isn't. You can't seem to make up your mind.

If your argument is that there is no such continuity in reality but the Turks think there is and ought to be deferred to on the subject, then you're arguing that the nationalist self-concept of a foreign country is compelling enough to justify the US government refusing to recognize obvious historical realities. That argument might have held water back when Turkey was a bulwark against the Reds, but we're just not living in that world anymore. Sorry, but I'm not going to accept the US government continuing to gaslight itself for the sake of an alliance we shouldn't be in.

[politicallefty]

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, but this vote came on the anniversary of the founding of Turkey. I highly doubt that was a coincidence. Congress is without question livid with the current situation and with Turkey. I really have to question their status in NATO. Personally, I'm of the mindset that Turkey should be expelled from NATO. I actually really have no idea how that would work or even if it's even been contemplated before.

[SteveRogers]

https://abc7news.com/politics/us-house-of-representatives-passes-armenian-genocide-resolution/5657113/

Each year, on April 24, Armenian Americans flood the streets of Los Angeles to commemorate Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, a holiday that commemorates the period between 1915 and 1923 when the Ottoman Empire systematically killed 1.5 million Armenians. Forty-nine states—including California—recognize the event as a genocide, but the United States had long failed to officially do so. Until today.

A legally non-binding resolution affirming that the U.S. should recognize the genocide was overwhelmingly approved in the House today, where the measure was shepherded by L.A. congressman Adam Schiff, who said in a tweet, “We will not be party to genocide denial. We will not be silent. We will never forget.”

From the article:

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.), a member of the Turkish Caucus and opponent of the Schiff’s resolution, said, “The critical and longstanding relationship between the United States and Turkey is as essential as ever.”

Wexler added, “We all deeply mourn and pay respect to the horrific tragedy and loss of life that occurred at the beginning of the 20th century, but we must not compromise the safety and security of our troops abroad today.”

Robert Wexler (D-FL) is the FF here.  He's looking out for America, sees the big picture, and thank God for that.

I would also point out that this horrible event was committed not by a nation in existence today.  It was committed by the Ottoman Empire, and not modern Turkey.

Then what’s the problem with calling it a genocide?

It's very simple.  I'm not going to advocate calling out other nations, especially when they are our allies (albeit one with complications when it comes to Turkey) over things that happened over 100 years ago.  I'm about preventing the next genocide.

Do you not think knowledge of past genicides is crucial to preventing the next genocide?

[Indy Texas]

Turkey is the successor state of the Ottoman Empire.

Suggesting that Turkey is not responsible for anything the Ottoman Empire did is like suggesting Russia cannot be held accountable for actions committed by the Soviet Union.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Turkey is the successor state of the Ottoman Empire.

Suggesting that Turkey is not responsible for anything the Ottoman Empire did is like suggesting Russia cannot be held accountable for actions committed by the Soviet Union.

Yes, the equivalent would be if Fuzzy insisted that Russia had no relationship to the Soviet Union...as part of an argument for why we shouldn't recognize the Holodomor because it would upset Putin.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Even Jacobin American's namesake is calling out Omar on her bullsh*t.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Look on the bright side of things.
We found an issue where Fuzzy and Ilhan Omar agree.