House votes to recognize Armenian Genocide

[TDAS04]

Most of the nay votes came from Southern Republicans, but there were 4 from Indiana.  Greg Pence? lol

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ilhan Omar really is the f**king worst.

Good on all other Democrats, though.

[lfromnj]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

[JA]

So, Ilhan Omar voted present. Let's see how her fans defend this.
That only genocides perpetrated by Christians count?

Omar voted present because she did not want to use a literal genocide as a political cudgel. She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans. Simply using the Armenian Genocide to attack Turkey in a political dispute or to rebuke Trump diminishes the significance of that historical event.

I'm proud of Omar for taking the proper stance on the issue, despite the inevitable blowback she would receive from liberals.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

So, Ilhan Omar voted present. Let's see how her fans defend this.
That only genocides perpetrated by Christians count?

Omar voted present because she did not want to use a literal genocide as a political cudgel. She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans. Simply using the Armenian Genocide to attack Turkey in a political dispute or to rebuke Trump diminishes the significance of that historical event.

I'm proud of Omar for taking the proper stance on the issue, despite the inevitable blowback she would receive from liberals.

Right, yes, because the House gets one (1) chance to acknowledge every genocide that's ever taken place, and a long-overdue acknowledgement of the Armenian Genocide now somehow renders Congress incapable of also recognizing other genocides in the future.

Give us a f**king break, JA. You're better than this.

[Helsinkian]

She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans.

So if the House was voting on a motion to call the transatlantic slave trade a genocide do you think Omar would vote present in that case if other genocides were not also mentioned in the motion?

[Kingpoleon]

She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans.

So if the House was voting on a motion to call the transatlantic slave trade a genocide do you think Omar would vote present in that case if other genocides were not also mentioned in the motion?

But of course! Ilhan Omar is perfection embodied. I mean, she does support Maduro’s thugs and has called democratic socialists and progressives backing Guaido part of a far-right coup, but she is also so brave!!!

[Sir Mohamed]

Congrats, long overdue.

The reaction of Mr. Erdogan is telling. The dude should be ashamed of himself for denying this happened and was a genocide. Same with all 11 reps who voted against.

[Person Man]

She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans.

So if the House was voting on a motion to call the transatlantic slave trade a genocide do you think Omar would vote present in that case if other genocides were not also mentioned in the motion?

But of course! Ilhan Omar is perfection embodied. I mean, she does support Maduro’s thugs and has called democratic socialists and progressives backing Guaido part of a far-right coup, but she is also so brave!!!

I am sick and tired of Omar now but am also sick and tired of the GOP having the monopoly on these Good Cop Bad Cop games in Congress where you have people like Boehner and Ryan using people like King and Gohmert and what have you.

[Stranger in a strange land]

For whatever it's worth, AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley all voted to recognize the genocide. The genocide was perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire, a reactionary monarchy, so there isn't even a Tankie justification for denying it.

And deflecting by bringing up the slave trade and Native American genocide are classic, literal whataboutism. Yes, the U.S. obviously needs to do much more to apologize and make recompense for these atrocities, but both are well-acknowledged parts of our history, in stark contrast to Turkey, where even bringing up the Armenian genocide can land you a lengthy prison sentence for "Insulting Turkishness".

[Kingpoleon]

I am sick and tired of Omar now but am also sick and tired of the GOP having the monopoly on these Good Cop Bad Cop games in Congress where you have people like Boehner and Ryan using people like King and Gohmert and what have you.

Neither one supports dictators like Maduro.

[Calthrina950]

I'm glad to see that many on the left are finally starting to see Ilhan Omar for who she really is.

[7,052,770]

For whatever it's worth, AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley all voted to recognize the genocide. The genocide was perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire, a reactionary monarchy, so there isn't even a Tankie justification for denying it.

And deflecting by bringing up the slave trade and Native American genocide are classic, literal whataboutism. Yes, the U.S. obviously needs to do much more to apologize and make recompense for these atrocities, but both are well-acknowledged parts of our history, in stark contrast to Turkey, where even bringing up the Armenian genocide can land you a lengthy prison sentence for "Insulting Turkishness".

Whataboutisms are pointless misdirects. It's not whataboutism to point out that a nation that perpetrated multiple unacknowledged genocides doesn't have a lot of moral high ground here.

Obviously I would have still strongly supported this bill.

[Fight for Trump]

Congrats, long overdue.

The reaction of Mr. Erdogan is telling. The dude should be ashamed of himself for denying this happened and was a genocide. Same with all 11 reps who voted against.

Wilful ignorance over the Armenian Genocide is quite commonplace in Turkey and even the diaspora, though. Look at Cenk Uygur. A lot of Japanese are the same way about Japanese wartime atrocities.

[President Johnson]

Congrats, long overdue.

The reaction of Mr. Erdogan is telling. The dude should be ashamed of himself for denying this happened and was a genocide. Same with all 11 reps who voted against.

Wilful ignorance over the Armenian Genocide is quite commonplace in Turkey and even the diaspora, though. Look at Cenk Uygur. A lot of Japanese are the same way about Japanese wartime atrocities.

Agreed. This is one of the instances I'm proud of the Germans how they have developed a culture of awareness with regard to one of the worst chapters in human history.

I wish Western governments would be more willing to confront the Erdogan regime and impose sanctions.

[QAnonKelly]

So, Ilhan Omar voted present. Let's see how her fans defend this.
That only genocides perpetrated by Christians count?

Omar voted present because she did not want to use a literal genocide as a political cudgel. She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans. Simply using the Armenian Genocide to attack Turkey in a political dispute or to rebuke Trump diminishes the significance of that historical event.

I'm proud of Omar for taking the proper stance on the issue, despite the inevitable blowback she would receive from liberals.

Then why did she say something about "academic consensus" whatever tf that means before she "all lives matter"-ed this?

[Devout Centrist]

So, Ilhan Omar voted present. Let's see how her fans defend this.
That only genocides perpetrated by Christians count?

Omar voted present because she did not want to use a literal genocide as a political cudgel. She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans. Simply using the Armenian Genocide to attack Turkey in a political dispute or to rebuke Trump diminishes the significance of that historical event.

I'm proud of Omar for taking the proper stance on the issue, despite the inevitable blowback she would receive from liberals.

Sorry, not good enough. This is personal for me and it's a chickensh*t move on her part.

[HisGrace]

The Turks killed 1.5 million people in cold blood, but what finally motivated the US Congress to recognize it as a genocide was a collective desire to stick it to Donald Trump. Shameful.

Well at least they're doing the right thing, for whatever reason.

What would really be shameful is if Trump vetoes it or if the Republicans in the Senate stop it.

For whatever it's worth, AOC, Tlaib, and Pressley all voted to recognize the genocide. The genocide was perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire, a reactionary monarchy, so there isn't even a Tankie justification for denying it.

And deflecting by bringing up the slave trade and Native American genocide are classic, literal whataboutism. Yes, the U.S. obviously needs to do much more to apologize and make recompense for these atrocities, but both are well-acknowledged parts of our history, in stark contrast to Turkey, where even bringing up the Armenian genocide can land you a lengthy prison sentence for "Insulting Turkishness".

Pushing for this to be recognized has generally come from the left in the past, if I recall. It's national security conservatives who didn't want to do it because Turkey was a Cold War/War on Terror ally. Omar is being an attention seeking clown as usual.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

So Paul Gosar's statement on his "present" vote is deranged

[Tartarus Sauce]

She was right in stating that an appropriate recognition of that genocide by Congress would include a recognition of other genocides, such as the Transatlantic Slave Trade and that of the Native Americans.

So if the House was voting on a motion to call the transatlantic slave trade a genocide do you think Omar would vote present in that case if other genocides were not also mentioned in the motion?

Actually, the most salient hypothetical alternative scenario would be a vote for recognizing Israeli conflict with Palestinians as a genocide. I doubt she would have conjured up this weak-ass whataboutist excuse in that scenario.

[McNukes™ #NYCMMWasAHero]

Excellent move and I hope Trump takes action and recognizes the Armenian genocide before the Senate passes its own resolution.

Obviously the right move, but it's pretty hollow when we don't officially recognize our own genocides.

Which would those be?

I believe he's referring to the genocide of Native Americans?

There’s also the Holocaust, which was primarily perpetrated by Christians.

The US recognizes the Holocaust.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Excellent move and I hope Trump takes action and recognizes the Armenian genocide before the Senate passes its own resolution.

Obviously the right move, but it's pretty hollow when we don't officially recognize our own genocides.

Which would those be?

I believe he's referring to the genocide of Native Americans?

There’s also the Holocaust, which was primarily perpetrated by Christians.

The US recognizes the Holocaust.

My bad, misread Harry’s post

[Stranger in a strange land]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

What's the reasoning there? Arms sales?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

What's the reasoning there? Arms sales?

Indiana sells arms to the Turks?

[TDAS04]

Yeah the Republicans voting against it are weird, like I think half of them are retiring and 4/11 are from Indiana.

What's the reasoning there? Arms sales?

Maybe Greg Pence had influence over the others.