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« Reply #275 on: October 26, 2020, 07:45:18 AM »
« edited: October 26, 2020, 07:50:09 AM by The scissors of false economy »

There were definitely religious appeals involved in the coup against Morales because indigenous people in Bolivia are often crypto-pagan pachamamistas, but my impression is that most Bolivian Christians didn't actually find those appeals, like. compelling.

Autonomist or separatist movements in areas wealthier than the country as a whole really just cannot ever be trusted. Tale as old as time.

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(Looks at GDP)

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Not that I'm a huge fan of Scottish nationalism either (sorry), but isn't Scotland slightly poorer than the rest of the UK (more because of how much richer Greater London is than everywhere else than because it's poorer than the other parts of England)?
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« Reply #276 on: October 26, 2020, 12:55:14 PM »

The bounty of the North Sea (oil rather than fish) complicates the picture at present, but, don't worry, in the not so distant future it certainly won't.
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« Reply #277 on: October 26, 2020, 01:42:46 PM »

In Scotland the picture is also complicated because whilst the price of oil means Scotland can be either richer or poorer than the UK median, there are parts of Scotland that always subsidise the rest of the UK and parts where the converse is true.
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« Reply #278 on: November 08, 2020, 10:41:56 PM »

Luis Arce is president. Democracy is officially back in Bolivia. Purple heart
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« Reply #279 on: November 09, 2020, 03:40:04 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2020, 05:03:40 AM by Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion »

Luis Arce is president. Democracy is officially back in Bolivia. Purple heart

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The following is a famous Italian song appropriate whenever the left-wing wins:
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« Reply #280 on: November 09, 2020, 10:49:44 AM »

"Liberals" who almost invariably prefer fascism to socialism - also 0 Smiley
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« Reply #281 on: November 09, 2020, 11:53:57 PM »

Nice to see MAS back in. Arce over Mesa and Creemos any day.
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« Reply #282 on: November 10, 2020, 02:02:51 PM »

Honestly nice to see Morales back in Bolivia. Probably the President that did the most for Bolivia's people in its history.
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« Reply #283 on: November 17, 2020, 10:40:32 AM »

Some overseas results are in and it shows an interesting pattern of where the rich (and white) expats go vs where the poor emigrants go.  For example, from what's counted so far, MAS is getting 83% in Argentina, 71% in Brazil and 50% in Spain, while CC is getting 73% in Germany and 41% in Italy (but with another 41% to Creemos in the latter).

There are Bolivians in Italy?

Only 5,859 (that have a right to vote), so they're easy to miss, I imagine.

Yeah I had never heard of any. Actually Liguria - where I live - is the region with the highest share of Latin American immigrants in Italy, but they are mostly Ecuadorian, Peruvian, or Dominican.

Interesting update on this:

1. Apparently my girlfriend is vaguely acquainted with an adopted girl from Bolivia. From her countenance, she looks mestiza.

2. I've found out where all the Bolivians here are: Bergamo. Literally. Of all Bolivian citizens in all of Italy, a whopping 25% live just in the city of Bergamo, where they constitute the largest immigrant group and ~3% of the total city population. I guess it makes sense that they voted so much for Camacho then, since the province of Bergamo is ground zero for cattoleghismo.
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« Reply #284 on: November 17, 2020, 02:23:26 PM »

2. I've found out where all the Bolivians here are: Bergamo. Literally. Of all Bolivian citizens in all of Italy, a whopping 25% live just in the city of Bergamo, where they constitute the largest immigrant group and ~3% of the total city population. I guess it makes sense that they voted so much for Camacho then, since the province of Bergamo is ground zero for cattoleghismo.

Like, why? I went looking for reasons and I tried but didn't find anything. What I did find, however, were some irrelevant but still hilarious things:

1. Three countries have a consulate in Bergamo: Switzerland (okay, it's in Northern Italy), Bolivia (there are a lot of their people there) and... Malawi? Is it just that rent in downtown Milano is so expensive? Why do they even have a consulate outside the capital?

2. There's a Facebook page called Comunidad boliviana en Bergamo and, to surprise of literally no-one, they post thing like this (warning: fantastically unashamed racism)



2a. "un alteñ@", yay woke white supremacy!

2b. "escalteño" is not even a pun, you're just sticking words together, idiots.

3. I think you have the correlation backward; they aren't voting for Camacho because they live among their ideological soulmates, but because they're (probably) mostly from Santa Cruz. That would partly explain why there are so many of them there, they could have chosen Bergamo because of an existing santacruceño community, but something must have led to creation of that community in the first place.
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« Reply #285 on: November 17, 2020, 02:45:49 PM »

2. I've found out where all the Bolivians here are: Bergamo. Literally. Of all Bolivian citizens in all of Italy, a whopping 25% live just in the city of Bergamo, where they constitute the largest immigrant group and ~3% of the total city population. I guess it makes sense that they voted so much for Camacho then, since the province of Bergamo is ground zero for cattoleghismo.

Like, why? I went looking for reasons and I tried but didn't find anything. What I did find, however, were some irrelevant but still hilarious things:

1. Three countries have a consulate in Bergamo: Switzerland (okay, it's in Northern Italy), Bolivia (there are a lot of their people there) and... Malawi? Is it just that rent in downtown Milano is so expensive? Why do they even have a consulate outside the capital?

2. There's a Facebook page called Comunidad boliviana en Bergamo and, to surprise of literally no-one, they post thing like this (warning: fantastically unashamed racism)

https://i.ibb.co/YXCkPVS/Screenshot-from-2020-11-17-20-09-43.png

2a. "un alteñ@", yay woke white supremacy!

2b. "escalteño" is not even a pun, you're just sticking words together, idiots.

3. I think you have the correlation backward; they aren't voting for Camacho because they live among their ideological soulmates, but because they're (probably) mostly from Santa Cruz. That would partly explain why there are so many of them there, they could have chosen Bergamo because of an existing santacruceño community, but something must have led to creation of that community in the first place.

1. I have no idea about Malawi, lol.

2. oh my God I can't. That's both massively racist and a bad joke even aside from that.

3. I was actually joking on what is probably a coincidence.
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« Reply #286 on: November 17, 2020, 03:06:56 PM »

Is Arce a red fash tankie now that he's removed some generals that were loyal to the coup?
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« Reply #287 on: November 18, 2020, 07:50:26 AM »

Is Arce a red fash tankie now that he's removed some generals that were loyal to the coup?

I don't notice many people claiming that tbh. Or is this satire? Wink
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« Reply #288 on: November 18, 2020, 03:11:14 PM »

Apparently the new environment minister is some sh**tty agro dude. Big oops but not super shocking from MAS tbh.
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« Reply #289 on: December 23, 2020, 01:36:14 PM »

2021 departmental and local elections are coming up. MAS is seeking to retain and expand its governorships but is seeing division between Evo (back in Bolivia and party president) and more “renovation”-themed forces in the party, with the party bases claiming that Evo’s imposing his own candidates in the primaries. Luis Fernando Camacho is running for something but we’re not sure if it’s the mayor of Santa Cruz or the governor. Waldo Abarracín (university president and former ombudsman) is the opposition candidate for mayor of La Paz.
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« Reply #290 on: December 23, 2020, 03:47:08 PM »

2021 departmental and local elections are coming up. MAS is seeking to retain and expand its governorships but is seeing division between Evo (back in Bolivia and party president) and more “renovation”-themed forces in the party, with the party bases claiming that Evo’s imposing his own candidates in the primaries. Luis Fernando Camacho is running for something but we’re not sure if it’s the mayor of Santa Cruz or the governor. Waldo Abarracín (university president and former ombudsman) is the opposition candidate for mayor of La Paz.

Oh. Either way, Camacho is a shoo-in, I imagine?
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« Reply #291 on: December 23, 2020, 05:47:29 PM »

2021 departmental and local elections are coming up. MAS is seeking to retain and expand its governorships but is seeing division between Evo (back in Bolivia and party president) and more “renovation”-themed forces in the party, with the party bases claiming that Evo’s imposing his own candidates in the primaries. Luis Fernando Camacho is running for something but we’re not sure if it’s the mayor of Santa Cruz or the governor. Waldo Abarracín (university president and former ombudsman) is the opposition candidate for mayor of La Paz.

Oh. Either way, Camacho is a shoo-in, I imagine?

I imagine, yes. As is Albarracín.
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« Reply #292 on: December 23, 2020, 07:55:17 PM »

Morales needs to accept that he's not in charge anymore and that Bolivian socialism can go on without him. He's done an immeasurable amount of good for the country, and yes, by every right he should be president right now, but the fact that the country in 2019 was vulnerable to a right-wing coup is at least in part a testament to his obstinacy, and MAS can only fully recover by being willing to turn the page.
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« Reply #293 on: December 23, 2020, 10:03:56 PM »

Morales needs to accept that he's not in charge anymore and that Bolivian socialism can go on without him. He's done an immeasurable amount of good for the country, and yes, by every right he should be president right now, but the fact that the country in 2019 was vulnerable to a right-wing coup is at least in part a testament to his obstinacy, and MAS can only fully recover by being willing to turn the page.

I agree (although perhaps not by every right; if Trump pulled anything like Evo did with 28F people would be calling for his head and rightly so), and I think a lot of the MAS base does as well.
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« Reply #294 on: December 26, 2020, 11:01:13 PM »

2021 departmental and local elections are coming up. MAS is seeking to retain and expand its governorships but is seeing division between Evo (back in Bolivia and party president) and more “renovation”-themed forces in the party, with the party bases claiming that Evo’s imposing his own candidates in the primaries. Luis Fernando Camacho is running for something but we’re not sure if it’s the mayor of Santa Cruz or the governor. Waldo Abarracín (university president and former ombudsman) is the opposition candidate for mayor of La Paz.

Speaking of this, some dissident masistas and local social organizations have broken from the official party candidate in the (majority-Aymara) city of El Alto (Zacarías Maquera) to support Eva Copa (former Senate president during Áñez’s term), alleging more meddling and dedazos by Evo. Copa herself has not yet commented.
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« Reply #295 on: December 30, 2020, 03:16:39 PM »

Copa has officially split from MAS (temporarily, she says) and is running for mayor of El Alto for Jallalla, Felipe Quispe’s vehicle for his own candidacy for governor of La Paz. Quispe, for those who are unaware, is a longtime indigenous activist and leftist critic of Evo.
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« Reply #296 on: December 30, 2020, 03:47:09 PM »

MAS, both the left and right factions, made grave mistakes appeasing the multinationals and landowners. Given that these are small splits regionally, it shouldn’t matter much.
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« Reply #297 on: January 21, 2021, 09:28:59 PM »

Felipe Quispe died of a heart attack two days ago. He left a very long and historic legacy of fighting for the indigenous people(s) of Bolivia until the very end.
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« Reply #298 on: January 21, 2021, 09:58:38 PM »

Felipe Quispe died of a heart attack two days ago. He left a very long and historic legacy of fighting for the indigenous people(s) of Bolivia until the very end.

What a shame. His voice was more needed now than ever. I hope others take up the fight - MAS needs to be kept on its toes on Indigenous issues.

Rest in peace.
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« Reply #299 on: January 30, 2021, 04:35:37 PM »

Rest in peace.
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