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« Reply #200 on: October 19, 2020, 10:41:04 AM »

Something tells me General Kalimantan is going to be in a bit of trouble very soon.
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« Reply #201 on: October 19, 2020, 10:57:11 AM »

The  Bolivian boliviano fell almost 5% from right before the exit poll came out and now.
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« Reply #202 on: October 19, 2020, 10:59:01 AM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.
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« Reply #203 on: October 19, 2020, 11:42:30 AM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.
MAS is a political party aiming to represent a people who've been struggling for 400 years bruh. They don't need your help.
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« Reply #204 on: October 19, 2020, 01:38:08 PM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.

Yes, Evo went from 61% to 47% in the past two elections because he wasn’t authoritarian enough. If he’d been more repressive he could have gone even higher.
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« Reply #205 on: October 19, 2020, 02:05:30 PM »

Great news. MAS is a great party. Bolivia is a great country!
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« Reply #206 on: October 19, 2020, 02:07:31 PM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.

Yes, Evo went from 61% to 47% in the past two elections because he wasn’t authoritarian enough. If he’d been more repressive he could have gone even higher.
MAS militants blockaded hospitals to get these elections, how much more militant could you get lol
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« Reply #207 on: October 19, 2020, 03:15:00 PM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.
MAS is a political party aiming to represent a people who've been struggling for 400 years bruh. They don't need your help.
Yes, and said people probably aren't as worried about muh liberal democratic norms as Western radlibs.
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« Reply #208 on: October 19, 2020, 03:51:34 PM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.
MAS is a political party aiming to represent a people who've been struggling for 400 years bruh. They don't need your help.
Yes, and said people probably aren't as worried about muh liberal democratic norms as Western radlibs.

Or....maybe it's uhhh. Human decency?
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« Reply #209 on: October 19, 2020, 04:20:26 PM »

The number of "liberals" who supported that coup - wallet inspection in its purest form.

Sure. Not only far-right people supported that coup.

I have this perception watching Brazilian mainstream media. Many journalists have criticism on Trump and Bolsonaro, but they refused to admit that what happened in Bolivia in 2019 was a coup. They don't use the G-word (golpe) to refer to the events in Bolivia in 2019. They speak about "political crisis". Actually, the 2019 Bolivian coup was much more similar to a classic third world coup than the coups of Honduras 2009, Paraguay 2012 and Brazil 2016. According to Brazilian mainstream media, Morales was a bigger threat to democracy than the policemen, the soldiers and the religious groups who took part in that uprising.
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« Reply #210 on: October 19, 2020, 04:55:26 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2020, 05:04:37 PM by Babeuf »

Seeing lots of anger at Camacho for "splitting the vote" and being a supposed MAS stooge on right-wing Bolivian twitter today. Not really sure why this is a prevalent belief since it looks like Arce got over 50% but it is out there.

Would have been a valid complaint if Arce was at 46% and Mesa got 34% and Arce won due to the >10% difference but with the expected MAS majority it doesn't make sense to me.
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« Reply #211 on: October 19, 2020, 05:17:29 PM »

Seeing lots of anger at Camacho for "splitting the vote" and being a supposed MAS stooge on right-wing Bolivian twitter today. Not really sure why this is a prevalent belief since it looks like Arce got over 50% but it is out there.

Would have been a valid complaint if Arce was at 46% and Mesa got 34% and Arce won due to the >10% difference but with the expected MAS majority it doesn't make sense to me.

You always need a scapegoat when you lose big.
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« Reply #212 on: October 19, 2020, 06:42:16 PM »

The number of "liberals" who supported that coup - wallet inspection in its purest form.

Liberals are right wing. That was always my understanding in my whole life. I’m actually more sympathetic to some conservative figures (who are at least honest about their stances) than lots of Brazilian liberals who l always thought were robots or something.
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« Reply #213 on: October 19, 2020, 07:17:17 PM »

Results keep trickling in and Arce has finally pulled ahead.

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« Reply #214 on: October 19, 2020, 07:18:08 PM »

Also, the President-Elect is rad as hell:

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« Reply #215 on: October 19, 2020, 08:07:22 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2020, 08:53:51 PM by PSOL »

They all are quite charming in their own way, unlike how rare it is with career politicians from upper class backgrounds.
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« Reply #216 on: October 20, 2020, 06:11:46 AM »

Wow, that jacket is amazing

President elect of the Rainbow Nation, that is to say the Plurinational State of Bolivia
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« Reply #217 on: October 20, 2020, 06:41:26 AM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.

Yes, Evo went from 61% to 47% in the past two elections because he wasn’t authoritarian enough. If he’d been more repressive he could have gone even higher.

I mean, technically yes? See: Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc

Of course the "real" approval would crater, but the election results would show Evo winning 99.9% or whatever

It would also be awful for the Bolivian people
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« Reply #218 on: October 20, 2020, 08:21:36 AM »

Speculation the final result (whenever it actually arrives) will be even more decisive than exit polls indicated.
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« Reply #219 on: October 20, 2020, 08:45:38 AM »

What's fascinating and telling about the right's mindset is that for a long time, until September even, they seem to have assumed that just the symbolism of snatching back power combined with inconsistent application of force and propaganda would somehow render the indigenous, who they clearly see as peasant hordes hardly better than animals, docile.
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« Reply #220 on: October 20, 2020, 09:02:06 AM »

The number of "liberals" who supported that coup - wallet inspection in its purest form.

Liberals are right wing. That was always my understanding in my whole life. I’m actually more sympathetic to some conservative figures (who are at least honest about their stances) than lots of Brazilian liberals who l always thought were robots or something.

Yep, exactly. That's how I've felt about America too. "Liberals" in America are closer to conservatives than leftists, that's why they had seizures on TV when Bernie won a primary and later thanked the Republicans for nominating Barrett for SCOTUS.
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« Reply #221 on: October 20, 2020, 09:43:46 AM »

Don’t call it a comeback.
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« Reply #222 on: October 20, 2020, 09:50:32 AM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.

Yes, Evo went from 61% to 47% in the past two elections because he wasn’t authoritarian enough. If he’d been more repressive he could have gone even higher.

I mean, technically yes? See: Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc

Of course the "real" approval would crater, but the election results would show Evo winning 99.9% or whatever

It would also be awful for the Bolivian people

The best of all was Nasser: he managed to get 100.0% (rounded). Even among authoritarians I think it's quite a feat to get re-elected 7,000,000 for vs. 65 against.
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« Reply #223 on: October 20, 2020, 10:17:11 AM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.

Yes, Evo went from 61% to 47% in the past two elections because he wasn’t authoritarian enough. If he’d been more repressive he could have gone even higher.

I mean, technically yes? See: Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc

Of course the "real" approval would crater, but the election results would show Evo winning 99.9% or whatever

It would also be awful for the Bolivian people

The best of all was Nasser: he managed to get 100.0% (rounded). Even among authoritarians I think it's quite a feat to get re-elected 7,000,000 for vs. 65 against.

I tend to prefer Saddam Hussein myself, who managed to get exactly 100% of the vote, with 100% turnout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Iraqi_presidential_referendum

There is also the Liberian election of 1927, where the winner won 243000-9000; thanks to getting an insane 1680% turnout
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« Reply #224 on: October 20, 2020, 10:31:30 AM »

Great! Now there needs to be a purge. Hopefully MAS will realize that establishing lasting socialism on a large scale without doing anything "authoritarian" is impossible.

Yes, Evo went from 61% to 47% in the past two elections because he wasn’t authoritarian enough. If he’d been more repressive he could have gone even higher.

I mean, technically yes? See: Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc

Of course the "real" approval would crater, but the election results would show Evo winning 99.9% or whatever

It would also be awful for the Bolivian people

The best of all was Nasser: he managed to get 100.0% (rounded). Even among authoritarians I think it's quite a feat to get re-elected 7,000,000 for vs. 65 against.

I tend to prefer Saddam Hussein myself, who managed to get exactly 100% of the vote, with 100% turnout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Iraqi_presidential_referendum

There is also the Liberian election of 1927, where the winner won 243000-9000; thanks to getting an insane 1680% turnout

Wow, I didn't know about any of those two. I have just seen that the Liberian result has been called "the most rigged election ever", and rightly so.
I mean that's almost funny, the 1929 Italian election where the PNF took 98.4% of the votes feels just so free and fair in comparison.
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