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« on: October 14, 2019, 10:40:05 PM »

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/465778-oregon-gops-push-to-recall-democratic-governor-fails-due-to-lack-of

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2019, 11:05:11 PM »

Oh, and I really thought this would bring down the Oregon Dems Roll Eyes.

Maybe the OR GOP should move to Idaho or whereever those militia guys are, they seem to be pretty popular in places where no one has heard of them.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2019, 03:38:35 PM »

Yeah, even if they got this through, the chances of winning the recall in the election were extremely slim to none for them.

Looks like their activist in the state spoiled it for them though.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2019, 01:41:27 AM »

Not totally surprised on this, considering that although Oregon does have a Governor Recall option in our State Constitution, the amount of signatures required generally tend to be much less than getting a signature initiative measure on the ballot.

That being said, I was riding on a City Bus in a neighboring City of ~60k right next door, about three Weeks ago when I was pet-sitting & House-sitting and doing mass transit to commute to the Working-Class neighborhood 5k away from my job site while my wife has the wheels because of her hybrid "swing-shift schedule".

I saw about 6-8 people standing around one of the largest shopping centers in the City with "Recall Kate Brown" placards.

Most of these placards actually referenced "Liberating Guns" and repression of Female Reproduction Rights, which are generally unpopular policy positions among the vast majority of Oregon Voters, including even among many Trump voters in "Downstate Oregon"....

Don't get me wrong, as many of you know NOVA has friends, co-workers and family members that own AR-15s, like to Hunt and Fish, and believe that Female Reproductive Rights are fundamentally the choice of the Woman to decide, despite the fact that there might be occasional relatives that try to dictate what happens with women's bodies....

Politically--- "Repeal Kate Brown" activists in the massive deadline to get sigs, looked like a bunch of wingnuts. I was calling out the "canary in the coalmine" at the time of the '18 GOV Election that National DEMs should not assume that Kate would win....

I was pleasantly proved wrong....

As I stated previously, much of the "Kate Brown Recall Effort" was mobilized by elements of the NRA, Christian Conservative Movement, and the last remnants of what is left of what used to be the Proud History of the Republican Party of Oregon....

Apologies Old School Republican..... and I do not mean that ironically, and as you well know you are one of my favorite Oregon Republicans on Atlas.... Wink

Seriously.... after the '18 'pub wipe-out and massive swings in the OR-SEN and OR-House State Elections, what does 2020 portend with Trump on the Ballot?

I did an extensive examination of 2016 Election results in Oregon by County & Precinct.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=252085.msg5386692#msg5386692

I have some posts on the OR-'18 GE when it comes to State House & Senate Races and swings by District (Will need to dig it up).

Bottom line, Knute Buehler's loss in the OR-GOV-'18 GE is extremely unlikely to improve prospects for the GOP in 2020.

If we look based upon my precinct level results from the '16 GE, as well as swings in the '18 GE in Oregon, the prospects of GOP gains in 2020 look increasingly bleak.

I strongly suspect that the 3rd Party voters in many small town and rural parts of Oregon where we observed the greatest swings towards the GOP at the PRES level between '12 and '16, will likely dramatically reverse these swings.

1.) Trump's "Downstate Oregon" brand was heavily based upon several specific economic, political, and demographic changes.

      A.) The Great Recession hit Oregon harder than most other States within the US.

      B.) The Great Recession was most heavily concentrated in "Downstate Oregon"

      C.) We experienced "official unemployment rates" of something like 15-20% in many Downstate
            Counties in Oregon.

      D.) The Timber sector has long been dominant in "Downstate Oregon". Although we have had
           "Informal Rural Agricultural Production" in Oregon that has historically gone in cycles of
           expansion and decline of the Timber Sector, where Cultivation of Marijuana has frequently
           become a means where proud Loggers and Timber Mill-Workers will occasionally take to the
           "Informal Economy" to control the agricultural sector in the fields and forests of Oregon.

      E.) The Recovery from the Great Recession led to a net Migration of younger Workers from
           Southern Oregon towards the "Metropolitan Centers" of Oregon, replaced by California
           Working and Middle-Class retirees with assets (No Wages but can flip their homes in Cali to
           get something nice in the Forests and the Streams of Oregon).

      F.) Still, the lack of economic recovery in Downstate Oregon even after the '12 Election, created
           an issue with the DEM brand, especially with a Neo-Liberal and Iraq War supporter like HRC,
           vs a 'Pub that tried to run as an "Anti-War Pub" and protector of Worker Rights against unfair
           Trade Policies overseas in the form of DJT.


2.) Not only will many of these places and precincts where I observed the greatest "real swings" towards Trump between '12 and '16 likely swing back....

A.) Trump did not deliver on his promise to the Oregon Paper and Pulp Mill Workers to protect against unfair Canadian Trade Policies on Timber.

B.) Trump's Trade War against Canada on Cranberry Cultivation has not delivered real results for Oregon Farmers.

C.) Trump's Trade War against Canadian Dairy Policy has yet to deliver results, where places like Coos and Tillamook County Oregon are heavily dependent upon the Dairy Industry.

D.) Trump's Trade War against Canadian Fishing Policy on the West Coast does not appear to be a major issue. I am not seeing American and Canadian Fishing Fleets facing off somewhere around the Washington and Canadian border which happened some 40 Years back....

We protect our own in Downstate Oregon, and Trump is a bogus poser of a Republican President, where even though we can go out and shoot some guns, drink some Whiskey, toke some Herb, with a crazy Uncle way out in the woods, we might agree to disagree, but we can agree on one thing: "This Guy is Nuts"....
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2019, 08:31:32 AM »

The only country with unfair Timber policies is America, with tarriffs whose only goal is to increase American companies benefits.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 08:52:40 AM »

Good, recall efforts are always dumb and shouldn’t be legal when either side does it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2019, 01:28:24 AM »

The only country with unfair Timber policies is America, with tarriffs whose only goal is to increase American companies benefits.

Apologies MaxQue if you thought I was supporting Trump trade policies regarding Canada on Timber Products....

I can tell you some personal stories about the IWA from the perspectives from Timber Workers and Loggers in the Pacific Northwest USA in the '80s, but here are a few links in case you are not aware (Although suspecting from your avatar you are aware the the Timber Sector in North America)....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Woodworkers_of_America

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/02/23/The-International-Woodworkers-of-America-the-largest-union-in/6419383288400/

The absolute destruction of an International (Canadian & American) CIO style movement decimated the last vestiges of resistance at the time of the Reagan Recession naturally created massive ripple effects on both sides of our borders.

Naturally Harold Pritchett would not have approved of any attempt to divide Canadian and American Timber Workers against each other on the basis of Nationalistic Rhetoric from the hands of the Bosses that have historically divided fellow workers against each other....

I have spent some time in Quebec City as well as Montreal, and understand and support the French-Canadian History and perspective....

I do agree that the current Administration's Trade Policies involving Tariff's overall are misguided, but at the same time as a Green-Socialist in my mid '40s it is clear that it is much more than Tariffs but rather again a Worker-Environmentalist Alliance in both Canada & America is what is needed most at this present time.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-11/trump-s-lumber-tariff-is-forcing-canada-producers-to-idle-mills

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2019, 02:21:34 AM »

Yah Trump did really hurt the OR GOP in 2018 and it quite possible Knute wins in 2018 if Hillary was President instead of Trump . The OR GOP though is in way worse shape than it should and much of that is due to how massively incompetent they are.


I mean this is a party who ran a guy who was famous for this as their candidate in 2010:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICBi-ku-G0

They should have nominated Allen Alley instead and they probably win in 2010.


The OR GOP should not have lost the ground in Washington County that they have, but the fact is they did.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2019, 03:19:26 PM »

Yah Trump did really hurt the OR GOP in 2018 and it quite possible Knute wins in 2018 if Hillary was President instead of Trump . The OR GOP though is in way worse shape than it should and much of that is due to how massively incompetent they are.


I mean this is a party who ran a guy who was famous for this as their candidate in 2010:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICBi-ku-G0

They should have nominated Allen Alley instead and they probably win in 2010.


The OR GOP should not have lost the ground in Washington County that they have, but the fact is they did.

Oregon's gubernatorial elections have all been close in this century, and not once have Republicans been able to take advantage of it. And it's a shame, because according to Morning Consult, Brown is the third most unpopular governor in the country, with only Raimondo and Bevin being more disliked than her.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2019, 03:24:44 PM »

Yah Trump did really hurt the OR GOP in 2018 and it quite possible Knute wins in 2018 if Hillary was President instead of Trump . The OR GOP though is in way worse shape than it should and much of that is due to how massively incompetent they are.


I mean this is a party who ran a guy who was famous for this as their candidate in 2010:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICBi-ku-G0

They should have nominated Allen Alley instead and they probably win in 2010.


The OR GOP should not have lost the ground in Washington County that they have, but the fact is they did.

Oregon's gubernatorial elections have all been close in this century, and not once have Republicans been able to take advantage of it. And it's a shame, because according to Morning Consult, Brown is the third most unpopular governor in the country, with only Raimondo and Bevin being more disliked than her.

Problem is OR GOP is never ever United , when we nominate moderates , the right wing in the party get super mad and refuse to unite behind the candidate because of his position on x,y,z . Same is true visa versa


So Oregon gop never ever enters any state wide race united which makes it easy for Dems to stream roll the Republicans
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2019, 03:32:48 PM »

Good. Recalling a duly elected official over policy disagreements is undemocratic.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2019, 03:35:20 PM »

Yah Trump did really hurt the OR GOP in 2018 and it quite possible Knute wins in 2018 if Hillary was President instead of Trump . The OR GOP though is in way worse shape than it should and much of that is due to how massively incompetent they are.


I mean this is a party who ran a guy who was famous for this as their candidate in 2010:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICBi-ku-G0

They should have nominated Allen Alley instead and they probably win in 2010.


The OR GOP should not have lost the ground in Washington County that they have, but the fact is they did.

Oregon's gubernatorial elections have all been close in this century, and not once have Republicans been able to take advantage of it. And it's a shame, because according to Morning Consult, Brown is the third most unpopular governor in the country, with only Raimondo and Bevin being more disliked than her.

Problem is OR GOP is never ever United , when we nominate moderates , the right wing in the party get super mad and refuse to unite behind the candidate because of his position on x,y,z . Same is true visa versa


So Oregon gop never ever enters any state wide race united which makes it easy for Dems to stream roll the Republicans

And this same problem is not unique to Oregon alone. It's a miracle as it is that Baker, Hogan, and Scott are the Governors of their states, considering how strongly conservative the Republican base has become. Baker, for example, faced a Trump supporter in the primary last year, who managed to garner approximately one-third of the vote. And Warren's Republican opponent, of course, was a Trump supporter.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2019, 04:05:40 PM »

Yah Trump did really hurt the OR GOP in 2018 and it quite possible Knute wins in 2018 if Hillary was President instead of Trump . The OR GOP though is in way worse shape than it should and much of that is due to how massively incompetent they are.


I mean this is a party who ran a guy who was famous for this as their candidate in 2010:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICBi-ku-G0

They should have nominated Allen Alley instead and they probably win in 2010.


The OR GOP should not have lost the ground in Washington County that they have, but the fact is they did.

Oregon's gubernatorial elections have all been close in this century, and not once have Republicans been able to take advantage of it. And it's a shame, because according to Morning Consult, Brown is the third most unpopular governor in the country, with only Raimondo and Bevin being more disliked than her.

Problem is OR GOP is never ever United , when we nominate moderates , the right wing in the party get super mad and refuse to unite behind the candidate because of his position on x,y,z . Same is true visa versa


So Oregon gop never ever enters any state wide race united which makes it easy for Dems to stream roll the Republicans

And this same problem is not unique to Oregon alone. It's a miracle as it is that Baker, Hogan, and Scott are the Governors of their states, considering how strongly conservative the Republican base has become. Baker, for example, faced a Trump supporter in the primary last year, who managed to garner approximately one-third of the vote. And Warren's Republican opponent, of course, was a Trump supporter.


A major difference though is OR is far far more rural than MA, or MD and it’s not just any time of rural but Western Rural as well which makes those areas very right wing .
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2019, 04:07:27 PM »

Yah Trump did really hurt the OR GOP in 2018 and it quite possible Knute wins in 2018 if Hillary was President instead of Trump . The OR GOP though is in way worse shape than it should and much of that is due to how massively incompetent they are.


I mean this is a party who ran a guy who was famous for this as their candidate in 2010:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICBi-ku-G0

They should have nominated Allen Alley instead and they probably win in 2010.


The OR GOP should not have lost the ground in Washington County that they have, but the fact is they did.

Oregon's gubernatorial elections have all been close in this century, and not once have Republicans been able to take advantage of it. And it's a shame, because according to Morning Consult, Brown is the third most unpopular governor in the country, with only Raimondo and Bevin being more disliked than her.

Problem is OR GOP is never ever United , when we nominate moderates , the right wing in the party get super mad and refuse to unite behind the candidate because of his position on x,y,z . Same is true visa versa


So Oregon gop never ever enters any state wide race united which makes it easy for Dems to stream roll the Republicans

And this same problem is not unique to Oregon alone. It's a miracle as it is that Baker, Hogan, and Scott are the Governors of their states, considering how strongly conservative the Republican base has become. Baker, for example, faced a Trump supporter in the primary last year, who managed to garner approximately one-third of the vote. And Warren's Republican opponent, of course, was a Trump supporter.


A major difference though is OR is far far more rural than MA, or MD and it’s not just any time of rural but Western Rural as well which makes those areas very right wing .

Certainly true, but Maryland's rural areas are solidly Republican as well.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2019, 04:12:40 PM »

Yah Trump did really hurt the OR GOP in 2018 and it quite possible Knute wins in 2018 if Hillary was President instead of Trump . The OR GOP though is in way worse shape than it should and much of that is due to how massively incompetent they are.


I mean this is a party who ran a guy who was famous for this as their candidate in 2010:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICBi-ku-G0

They should have nominated Allen Alley instead and they probably win in 2010.


The OR GOP should not have lost the ground in Washington County that they have, but the fact is they did.

Oregon's gubernatorial elections have all been close in this century, and not once have Republicans been able to take advantage of it. And it's a shame, because according to Morning Consult, Brown is the third most unpopular governor in the country, with only Raimondo and Bevin being more disliked than her.

Problem is OR GOP is never ever United , when we nominate moderates , the right wing in the party get super mad and refuse to unite behind the candidate because of his position on x,y,z . Same is true visa versa


So Oregon gop never ever enters any state wide race united which makes it easy for Dems to stream roll the Republicans

And this same problem is not unique to Oregon alone. It's a miracle as it is that Baker, Hogan, and Scott are the Governors of their states, considering how strongly conservative the Republican base has become. Baker, for example, faced a Trump supporter in the primary last year, who managed to garner approximately one-third of the vote. And Warren's Republican opponent, of course, was a Trump supporter.


A major difference though is OR is far far more rural than MA, or MD and it’s not just any time of rural but Western Rural as well which makes those areas very right wing .

Certainly true, but Maryland's rural areas are solidly Republican as well.


True but one it’s a different style of rural areas . Oregon rural areas are very similar to states like Idaho politically which are super conservative but not as much . Oregon I beleive is more rural than the nation as a whole which makes those areas more influential in the GOP.


Vermont though is an exception because it’s one of if not the most rural state in the country but yet super liberal .




Source : https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyyonder.com/amp/how-rural-are-states/2012/04/03/


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