Hungarian elections and politics

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Orban is now speaking before the country.

[tepoe]

yes, they might come below 133, but they have Our Homeland to amend the constitution. the opposition alliance is completely demolished.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

yes, they might come below 133, but they have Our Homeland to amend the constitution. the opposition alliance is completely demolished.

What do you think the future is for the Hungarian opposition?

[Former President tack50]

yes, they might come below 133, but they have Our Homeland to amend the constitution. the opposition alliance is completely demolished.

Somehow at this point I am rooting for Fidesz above 133. Not because he is any good, he is completely awful and a semi-dictator a la Erdogan, but because depending on literal neonazis to get 2/3 might be an even worse result

[Omega21]

The Sweden Democrats can be vilified and shut out because some Nazi was one of the founders more than 30 years ago, but Jobbik, who were drawing up lists of Jewish employees at the parliament not even 10 years ago (in many cases the exact same people as the ones running the party now), is completely cool for all the enlightened liberals now. Apparently you stop being a Nazi when you're useful to the regime change project.

Simple, honest & beautiful. 10/10 article.

In Hungary, some left-wing Jews ready to work with party led by former neo-Nazi

Despite some attempts at rehabilitation, racism still appears to be part of Jobbik’s political DNA. Its current leader, Tamas Sneider, is a former skinhead who confessed to beating a Roma person in 1992 with metal cables in an allegedly racist attack. In a 2013 speech in parliament, Jobbik’s second in command, Marton Gyongyosi, called for drawing up a list of all Hungarian Jews because they are “security risks.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-hungary-some-left-wing-jews-ready-to-work-with-party-led-by-former-neo-nazi/

[tepoe]

yes, they might come below 133, but they have Our Homeland to amend the constitution. the opposition alliance is completely demolished.

What do you think the future is for the Hungarian opposition?

nothing, yet. it takes a good night sleep to reach there.

[Umengus]

A rapid slide into dictatorship is alright because the city streets are clean (ignoring the fact that Budapest is administrated by the opposition)

Budapest was administrated by fidesz  until a short time ago but the cleanliness is not due to the organization of the city but to another explanation, which is not politically correct, espacially on this forum run by far-left extremists.

And of course, it's not only cleanliness but also safety (I spent hours walking at night), the economic boom,...

Hungary is of course not a dictatorship.

[DavidB.]

Hungary is of course not a dictatorship.

Much less so than most of Western Europe, I would add, where we have no say whatsoever on issues as important as immigration and gender ideology in schools.

[JimJamUK]

The Sweden Democrats can be vilified and shut out because some Nazi was one of the founders more than 30 years ago, but Jobbik, who were drawing up lists of Jewish employees at the parliament not even 10 years ago (in many cases the exact same people as the ones running the party now), is completely cool for all the enlightened liberals now. Apparently you stop being a Nazi when you're useful to the regime change project.

Does it not say something that even a group like Jobbik now see allying with with the centre left/liberals as necessary because they see Fidesz as too dodgy even for them?

[DavidB.]

Does it not say something that even a group like Jobbik now see allying with with the centre left/liberals as necessary because they see Fidesz as too dodgy even for them?

I don't think that's the case at all. They just realized that being an open Nazi doesn't help in achieving power. And the liberal parties were all too eager to embrace them in their quest for power too.

[Boobs]

Hungary is of course not a dictatorship.

Much less so than most of Western Europe, I would add, where we have no say whatsoever on issues as important as immigration and gender ideology in schools.

If these are the type of brains behind the operation no wonder your party’s poll numbers are in the sh**tter.

[Omega21]

The Sweden Democrats can be vilified and shut out because some Nazi was one of the founders more than 30 years ago, but Jobbik, who were drawing up lists of Jewish employees at the parliament not even 10 years ago (in many cases the exact same people as the ones running the party now), is completely cool for all the enlightened liberals now. Apparently you stop being a Nazi when you're useful to the regime change project.

Does it not say something that even a group like Jobbik now see allying with with the centre left/liberals as necessary because they see Fidesz as too dodgy even for them?

Wait, wait, Viktor Orban is too edgy for a party whose <2020 leader literally beat up a Roma out of racial hatred, and whose deputy leader called for drawing up a list of all Hungarian Jews?

How can you make that point with a straight face?

[Flyersfan232]

Wonder if zelensky is regretting his words over the past few days right now.

[Flyersfan232]

yes, they might come below 133, but they have Our Homeland to amend the constitution. the opposition alliance is completely demolished.

What do you think the future is for the Hungarian opposition?

Japan opposition but hungarian

[Flyersfan232]

The Sweden Democrats can be vilified and shut out because some Nazi was one of the founders more than 30 years ago, but Jobbik, who were drawing up lists of Jewish employees at the parliament not even 10 years ago (in many cases the exact same people as the ones running the party now), is completely cool for all the enlightened liberals now. Apparently you stop being a Nazi when you're useful to the regime change project.

Does it not say something that even a group like Jobbik now see allying with with the centre left/liberals as necessary because they see Fidesz as too dodgy even for them?

Wait, wait, Viktor Orban is too edgy for a party whose <2020 leader literally beat up a Roma out of racial hatred, and whose deputy leader called for drawing up a list of all Hungarian Jews?

How can you make that point with a straight face?

one of Jobbik vice presidents were doing nazis salute last week

[jaichind]

The way the PR seats are allocated seems rigged against Fidesz.  If the vote share is 53.96%, 34.18%, and 6.34% then the D'Hondt method should be 53 34 6 and not 47 39 7.

[Alcibiades]

God, this is a f—cking awful thread. Fascists from countries where their movements are pathetic failures living vicariously through Hungary in the most obnoxious way possible, ruining what is supposed to be an informative thread for the rest of us.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Péter Márki-Zay is now speaking. EU flags in the backdrop.  He mentioned Hitler and Yugoslavia, but I don't know Hungarian well at all, so I can't tell exactly what he said.

[Sweet kiss of liquid modernity]

The dynamics here seem to be similar to the 2019 Euro elections in Poland; a united list seemingly prevents vote splitting and gives opposition voters hope at first but can't help but be an awkward compromise that demoralises some activists and alienates some voters on different flanks, while also spooking government supporters. The difference between Poland and Hungary is that the way the Hungarian electoral system, specifically the FPTP element and the changes Orbán has made to party financing, works means the alternatives - several, more ideologically coherent blocs, every opposition party trying to fend for themselves, or a pact covering just the FPTP seats of the sort that did work for the Polish Senate - can't work either...

[Umengus]

The Sweden Democrats can be vilified and shut out because some Nazi was one of the founders more than 30 years ago, but Jobbik, who were drawing up lists of Jewish employees at the parliament not even 10 years ago (in many cases the exact same people as the ones running the party now), is completely cool for all the enlightened liberals now. Apparently you stop being a Nazi when you're useful to the regime change project.

Does it not say something that even a group like Jobbik now see allying with with the centre left/liberals as necessary because they see Fidesz as too dodgy even for them?

Wait, wait, Viktor Orban is too edgy for a party whose <2020 leader literally beat up a Roma out of racial hatred, and whose deputy leader called for drawing up a list of all Hungarian Jews?

How can you make that point with a straight face?

one of Jobbik vice presidents were doing nazis salute last week

they are "good" nazis

[JimJamUK]

Wait, wait, Viktor Orban is too edgy for a party whose <2020 leader literally beat up a Roma out of racial hatred, and whose deputy leader called for drawing up a list of all Hungarian Jews?

How can you make that point with a straight face?

Yet said party is choosing to ally itself with left-liberals (and the latter are willing to do so). Does such a situation arising not suggest Fidesz may be a bit unpleasant?

[urutzizu]

Orban victory speech. Not the slightest conciliatory tone.

PM Orbán: Good evening. we're looking quite well. we're looking better and better - perhaps we've never looked better than we do tonight.
Dear friends, we have won a great victory - a victory so great that you can see it from the moon, and certainly from Brussels. Good fun, man's work - good fighting with you all. thanks to everyone for what you put into this win today - thanks to everyone for the good wishes, and for those who prayed for us.

A special welcome to the Hungarians watching us from across the border. Thank you for your help, because it gave us a chance to help ourselves. A special greeting to the Hungarians of Transcarpathia - I tell them not to grieve, to hold on - the Mother country is with them. All I can say to the Hungarian electorate is that we will do our utmost to deserve the trust we have received. The greater the victory, the greater the need for modesty, and let's face it tonight, there's reason to be modest. More than 100,000 volunteers have worked so that tonight we can celebrate together. not robots, not mercenaries, but volunteers who love their country and were willing to take the risks and do the hard work.

Tonight we have won every possibility of victory. We won in 2010 under the old electoral system, we won in 2014 when we were called one by one. We won in 2018 when there was a partial coalition and in 2022 when everyone joined forces against us. And god only knows how we can win the most at a time when they are ganging up on us. Our victory, Hungary's victory tonight is a victory of the heart - we won because we have a common passion called Hungary.

Every penny given to the Hungarian left was a waste of money - it seems that the Hungarian left was the worst investment of Uncle George Soros life - for 12 years, it's just been taking money. All that money is for nothing - if we work together, we cannot be defeated.

This victory is one to remember for the rest of our lives because we had the largest amount of opponents. The left at home, the international left, the bureaucrats in Brussels, the money of the Soros empire, the international mainstream media and even the Ukrainian President in the end, we never had so many opponents. [..]

We did not let the failed past return, we defended Hungary's independence and freedom, peace and security, and we protected our children and families. The whole world could see in Budapest tonight that the Christian Democrat, the bourgeois conservative, the patriotic politics had won. We are sending a message to Europe that this is not the past, this is the future. The whole world has seen that Hungarians love their country. God above us all, Hungary above all - go Hungary, go Hungarians.

[Logical]

The way the PR seats are allocated seems rigged against Fidesz.  If the vote share is 53.96%, 34.18%, and 6.34% then the D'Hondt method should be 53 34 6 and not 47 39 7.

Hungary uses a convulted compensatory system I don't fully understand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorporo#Use_in_Hungary

[Omega21]

Péter Márki-Zay is now speaking. EU flags in the backdrop.  He mentioned Hitler and Yugoslavia, but I don't know Hungarian well at all, so I can't tell exactly what he said.

He said "We know from history that Milosevic was even more popular during the bombing of Yugoslavia, as well as Hitler. Propaganda is what won the elections for Fidesz."

Personal translation, my Hungarian is between B2 and C1, so not 1/1.

[jaichind]

The way the PR seats are allocated seems rigged against Fidesz.  If the vote share is 53.96%, 34.18%, and 6.34% then the D'Hondt method should be 53 34 6 and not 47 39 7.

Hungary uses a convulted compensatory system I don't fully understand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorporo#Use_in_Hungary

I figure it was something like that.   Looking at how PR seats are allocated in 2014 and 2018 it seems their system penalized the largest party/bloc in terms of allocation of seats perhaps as a way to mitigate against the expected landslide victory the largest party is expected to win in the district seats.