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jokerman
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« on: April 17, 2005, 09:53:14 AM »

What's with this?
National Results:
Johnson 61%
Goldwater 38%


Mississippi:
Goldwater 87%
Johnson 13%


That's a 97 point swing.  I'm betting that's the bigest time in history one state differed from the national results.
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2005, 09:55:38 AM »

here's a county map:
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2005, 12:17:06 PM »

Same reason Goldwater won the Deep South, he used the Civil Rights Act as a wedge. For obvious reasons it was most effecitve in Mississippi.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2005, 05:19:15 AM »

Interestingly Johnson had much stronger support in the North than FDR did even in 1936.

Also interestingly Louisiana voted mostly on denominational lines with the Catholic parts going Johnson.

Also interestingly Goldwater won a big city (San Diego) plus Palm Beach and Broward counties.

Finally, Goldwater did surprisingly well in Northern Illinois around Chicago/Gary, denying Johnson 60% in a large northeastern industrial state.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2005, 05:30:52 AM »

South Carolina 1928 beats that, and in turn loses to South Carolina 1924. We're talking over 100 point differences.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2005, 07:37:28 AM »

The fact that no Blacks voted in Mississippi in 1964 helps explain this result. IIRC Republicans still win 80%+ of the White vote in the state.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2005, 10:43:55 AM »

Also interestingly Goldwater won a big city (San Diego) plus Palm Beach and Broward counties.

He only won San Diego county by about a point, so I doubt he won San Diego proper. Suburban SoCal (suburban San Diego + Orange county) was so partisan at the time I'm not relaly all that shocked.

Broward and Palm Beach are suprising in retrospect though, although the demographics in both have changed RADICALLY since 1964. They probably would've voted for Bush last year had they the same demographics as 40 years ago.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2005, 07:31:12 PM »
« Edited: April 18, 2005, 07:33:10 PM by jfern »

Note South Carolina.

1924:



1928:



In 1924, Davis got a meager 28.82% nationwide, while getting a landslide 96.56% in South Carolina, that's 67. 74 points better there, and I'm not talking about the swing.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2005, 07:51:12 PM »

Note South Carolina.

1924:



1928:



In 1924, Davis got a meager 28.82% nationwide, while getting a landslide 96.56% in South Carolina, that's 67. 74 points better there, and I'm not talking about the swing.
yeah, you're right, that's probably the highest differential.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2015, 09:25:22 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2015, 09:26:59 PM by mathstatman »

Though 7% of Blacks were registered to vote in MS (the next lowest was 23% in AL), I doubt more than 2% of Blacks actually voted in MS in 1964, the intimidation factor was so great. Johnson won 34.5% in Itawamba Co and 33.6% in Tishomingo Co, virtually the only 90%+ white counties in MS, so it seems inconceivable his white percentage in MS was much below the 12.9% he won statewide. Translation: essentially no Blacks voted in this 42% Black state. Plus, Goldwater won 95%+ in many majority Black counties that in 1968 would vote strongly for Humphrey, with the first time Black votes added in.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 09:35:27 PM »

Though 7% of Blacks were registered to vote in MS (the next lowest was 23% in AL), I doubt more than 2% of Blacks actually voted in MS in 1964, the intimidation factor was so great. Johnson won 34.5% in Itawamba Co and 33.6% in Tishomingo Co, virtually the only 90%+ white counties in MS, so it seems inconceivable his white percentage in MS was much below the 12.9% he won statewide. Translation: essentially no Blacks voted in this 42% Black state. Plus, Goldwater won 95%+ in many majority Black counties that in 1968 would vote strongly for Humphrey, with the first time Black votes added in.

Do you have a list of voter registration rates for blacks in this election?
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2015, 09:41:45 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2015, 09:43:52 PM by mathstatman »

No, I read somewhere that Black registration was 7%. But if even 10,000 Blacks voted in MS (2% of Black adults), that would mean Johnson won only 43,000 out of 399,000 white votes--less than 11%, which seems unlikely since there were 90%+ white counties in MS where Johnson pulled well into the 30s. Plus Goldwater's 95%+ showing in several majority-Black counties (Jefferson, Holmes, Sunflower, etc.) Maybe a few Blacks in Hinds County voted, but probably hardly anywhere else, that's my guess.
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