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  Who was the rightful winner of the 2000 election?
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Question: Who was the rightful winner of the 2000 election?
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« on: December 24, 2005, 03:41:37 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2005, 03:44:08 pm »

Bush- he won the Electoral College.

As much as I'd like Gore to have won, recount after recount wasn't getting him anywhere. Bush won under a somewhat unfair system, but he won nevertheless.
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2005, 01:47:28 pm »

bush legally won.

but clearly more floridians *intended* to vote for gore than bush.
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« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2005, 01:57:08 pm »

I say Pat Buchanan was the real winner. He got hundreds of votes from elderly Jews in South Florida, something nobody thought he'd be able to do. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2005, 07:53:11 am »

Gore rightfully won the 2000 election. But did that make him president?
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2005, 12:19:22 pm »


^^^^
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2005, 01:23:40 pm »


^^^^^^

Bush won narrowly, but he did win fair and square. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 01:36:25 pm »

oh great!




Bush won fair
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 04:11:07 pm »

Call it a 1-1 draw with Bush winning on penalties. To be brutally honest the popular vote doesn't mean 'owt.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005, 05:01:51 pm »

The division here is going to be purely based on party lines. Having said that: Gore.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005, 05:32:38 pm »

bush legally won.

but clearly more floridians *intended* to vote for gore than bush.

I think this comes closest to the truth.
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2005, 08:29:38 pm »

Well to paraphase Clinton, it all depends on your definition of rightful.

If you mean who won the most EVs due to people casting legal votes by correctly following voting directions, then Bush did.
If you mean who would have won the most EVs if all voters had correctly voted as they intended, then Gore.
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2006, 08:42:29 am »

The 2000 election was so ugly, there would have been no possible way to resolve it without pissing off half of the country.  If, by some chance, Gore had actually overturned Bush's victory, there would have been such a giant outcry that Gore would probably have been substantially weakened by it.  I don't think there was any "rightful winner"; there were just too many questionable aspects on both sides.  If it were a wrestling match, Bush and Gore would have pummeled each other into a pulp, and then when they both fell down from exhaustion, Bush would have inadvertently fallen on Gore, claiming victory.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2006, 07:30:31 am »

gore should've, and would've won, had it not been for some faulty ballot papers, which is obviously neither the republicans' or the democrats' or anyone's fault except for the people who made the butterfly ballot papers who should have forseen this sort of problem arising.

I think the best way to summarize the 2000 election has already been stated, that being that Bush won, but more floridians INTENDED to vote for Gore.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2006, 07:47:43 am »

Gore.  In recounts after the inaugration, if there had been a statewide recount, Gore would have won.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2006, 01:34:54 pm »

Source please for that statement.  IIRC, the Miami Herald essentially conducted its own recount and found that while the margin of Bush's victory would have been narrower with a recount, he would have still won.
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2006, 02:22:53 pm »

bush legally won.

but clearly more floridians *intended* to vote for gore than bush.

I actually tend to agree with this.

Of course, intentions really don't count for much.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2006, 03:26:40 pm »

bush legally won.

but clearly more floridians *intended* to vote for gore than bush.

I actually tend to agree with this.

Of course, intentions really don't count for much.

So there is nothing wrong with the state executing an innocent person? After all, the person is legally guilty, even though the justice system is not intended to work that way.

The difference between lawyers and the rest of us is that the people of America think they rule the country, while the lawyers think they rule the country.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2006, 09:37:28 pm »

Source please for that statement.  IIRC, the Miami Herald essentially conducted its own recount and found that while the margin of Bush's victory would have been narrower with a recount, he would have still won.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Recount

Had there been a statewide recount, under every scenario Gore would have won the election.
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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2006, 10:19:51 pm »

In 2002, there was a poll

"Who won the 2000 Presidential election?"

Bush 48%
Gore 46%

"Who would you vote for if the election was held today?"

Bush 48%
Gore 46%

46% is pretty impressive considering that the media never reported on the Florida scrub list.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2006, 12:25:15 pm »

Source please for that statement.  IIRC, the Miami Herald essentially conducted its own recount and found that while the margin of Bush's victory would have been narrower with a recount, he would have still won.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Recount

Had there been a statewide recount, under every scenario Gore would have won the election.

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In other words, Bush won, unless we in the media imagine that we can determine voter intent in an overvote, which we wouldn't be allowed to do under the law if we were counting the votes for real.

In otherwords, Bush won.
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2006, 05:43:02 pm »

I'll go to my grave thinking more people went to the polls in Florida intending to vote for Al Gore.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2006, 06:12:02 pm »

I'll go to my grave thinking more people went to the polls in Florida intending to vote for Al Gore.

But they obviously took a wrong turn somewhere, or else they'd have gotten there. Must have taken directions from Bugs Bunny or something. Wink
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2006, 07:29:55 pm »

They got distracted by the butterflys. Wink
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2006, 12:49:34 pm »

It can also be argued that more people intended to vote for Bush in the panhandle, but stayed home when the networks first called the state for Gore.  We may never know.
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