2004: joe lieberman/mike easley vs. bush/cheney
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WalterMitty
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« on: December 23, 2005, 03:30:41 PM »



lieberman/easley (d): 53%, 355 EVs
bush/cheney (r): 45%, 183 EVs
ralph nader: 2%, 0 EVs
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2005, 07:25:02 PM »



lieberman/easley (d): 53%, 355 EVs
bush/cheney (r): 45%, 183 EVs
ralph nader: 2%, 0 EVs

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WalterMitty
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2005, 01:26:33 PM »

compared to you josh, of course im a stupid.  but who isnt?

but let's discuss the idea of a lieberman-bush matchup rathern than my intelligence (or lack thereof)
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2005, 10:53:03 AM »

winfield must be on christmas break Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2005, 12:04:37 PM »


Lieberman--327EV (50.5%)
Bush--211EV (49.0%)
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2005, 01:08:17 PM »

I still think campaigning, etc. would bring the states down to their true colors.  Lieberman would probably win, but I don't know if Lieberman wins this one so Easely.

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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2005, 02:24:19 PM »

I think Lieberman probably would have lost a lot of votes, unfortunatly, because he is pro-war, and most pro-war people just would have voted for Bush, unless Liebermann could give them a good reason not to.
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2005, 05:17:45 PM »



Lieberman/Easley 50% 291 EV
Bush/Cheney 48% 245 EV
Nader/Camejo >1% 0 EV
Others <1% 0 EV

Despite his stances on some issues such as video game regulation, Bush does slightly better among culturally conservative voters due to his Jewish faith, but his decisiveness and pro-war stances give him the victory.

BTW, who would you vote for, Walter?
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2005, 05:21:13 PM »

I think Lieberman probably would have lost a lot of votes, unfortunatly, because he is pro-war, and most pro-war people just would have voted for Bush, unless Liebermann could give them a good reason not to.
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2005, 07:54:43 PM »



Lieberman/Easley 50% 291 EV
Bush/Cheney 48% 245 EV
Nader/Camejo >1% 0 EV
Others <1% 0 EV

Despite his stances on some issues such as video game regulation, Bush does slightly better among culturally conservative voters due to his Jewish faith, but his decisiveness and pro-war stances give him the victory.

BTW, who would you vote for, Walter?

You are underestimating Nader, I believe he could muster a decent 3% against Lieberman denying him NM, IA and FL.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2005, 09:28:09 AM »

I think Lieberman probably would have lost a lot of votes, unfortunatly, because he is pro-war, and most pro-war people just would have voted for Bush, unless Liebermann could give them a good reason not to.

a majority of the country in 2004 supported the war.  i dont think lieberman's pro-war stance would h ave hurt him in the general election...only in the democrat primary.

in 2004 i think a majority of voters probably *wanted* to replace bush, if they had a reasonable alternative.  lieberman would have been a reasonable alternative in many people's eyes....unlike kerry.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2005, 09:42:16 AM »



You are underestimating Nader, I believe he could muster a decent 3% against Lieberman denying him NM, IA and FL.

You might be right, but I think 3rd way/dissatisfied Demcorats were tired of Nader by 2004 not to mention angry over 2000.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2005, 09:54:40 AM »

by the way i should add a personal note.

i probably would have voted for lieberman over bush.
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2006, 04:35:11 PM »

Very low Democratic turnout, slightly more flaking to Nader (although not to the extent of 2000)--and, if Rove does his business, high Republican turnout.

Very polarized, with very strong Democrat showings in the Northeast and Republican showings in the South--Easley, although well-respected after the campaign, doesn't make much of an impression--and although North Carolina is closer compared to the surrounding states, Lieberman fails to take it--and the Republicans gain Edwards' senate seat (not surprisingly, after his failed bid for the Presidency--and the Vice-Presidency:  the pick of relative unknown (outside of NC) Easley appeared to be a direct snub in the face of John Edwards, something that will dog both Easley and Edwards for the remainder of the year) and Easley's governorship.

Overall, the PV is pretty close, but the EV isn't.  Lieberman and Easley are nice guys, they have high approval ratings, people seem to think he'd make a good President--but they end up voting for Bush instead.

Bush wins all the states he won in 2004 plus Oregon, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2006, 10:00:52 PM »


Lieberman--327EV (50.5%)
Bush--211EV (49.0%)

That's a rather heavily Democratic map for a 1.5% victory margin.
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