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« on: September 17, 2019, 10:23:42 PM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2019, 10:35:17 PM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2019, 10:39:28 PM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2019, 10:47:19 PM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2019, 11:21:35 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2019, 11:47:26 PM by KYWildman »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

I don't know how many will care about this specific endorsement per se, but it's just one of many factors stacked against Bevin: Basically everyone employed by the state (which is a decent chunk of the workforce here) hates his guts, especially teachers and now even cops, Beshear has been endorsed by a number of defecting Republican state legislators and local officials/mayors, and Bevin is literally the most unpopular governor in the country who barely limped to victory in his own primary a couple months ago against a couple random unknowns. Also multiple polls have shown him down, by as much as 15 points.

Anyone who is living in this state or informed about the situation knows almost every imaginable political force here is strongly against Bevin -- there is really no reason to think he's going to win other than "Lol Kentucky solid R, ignorant hicks, lol" which is... not a "reason," to say the least. Of the many flaws of that "reasoning," perhaps the most obvious is that states that were just as strongly Trump or more in 2016 such as Montana, Alabama, and West Virginia have voted for Democrats at the statewide level since then (even with Trump endorsing their opponents!), and Kentucky has even more of a history of bucking its national trends in state elections than most other states -- Andy Beshear is the son of a popular former governor who won re-election by a landslide in the long ago time of... 2011, and Andy himself literally won statewide office as AG on the exact same day Bevin first won in 2015, an abysmal year for Democratic turnout.

But, you know, I'm sure all these Atlas smugposters who have never stepped foot in Kentucky (I'm assuming you haven't?) and know basically nothing about it are the REAL experts here.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2019, 11:46:22 PM »

Hell, just look at Massachusetts and Vermont, people. What in the hell makes you think it's so impossible that a state that is solidly one party in presidential elections might swing sharply the other way in gubernatorial elections? This has never been the case before, and I'll be stunned if it suddenly changes in Kentucky (which has done this for a LONG time), in a year that will likely favor Democratic turnout, with the least popular governor in the country on the ballot.

It's even more idiotic if you think Edwards has a chance in Louisiana and/or Hood has a chance in Mississippi but not Beshear in Kentucky. There is absolutely no logical reason to believe those two can win but not Beshear.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2019, 11:54:55 PM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.

Go on over to the KY thread. Old School Republican was trying to argue that racism had little to nothing to do with the Republican success in Kentucky in the past decade and then literally the next day Bevin put out a highly racist ad that said Beshear will let the state get overrun with illegals. You can’t make this stuff up lol
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2019, 11:59:29 PM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.

Go on over to the KY thread. Old School Republican was trying to argue that racism had little to nothing to do with the Republican success in Kentucky in the past decade and then literally the next day Bevin put out a highly racist ad that said Beshear will let the state get overrun with illegals. You can’t make this stuff up lol


I stand by it, the fact is I bet you that ad only probably helps Bevin maybe a little bit. If he wins its cause the KY suburbs are still extremely Republican and the Anti-Coal Direction the Dems have gone in has made the Democrats starting position very weak.



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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2019, 12:02:01 AM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.

Go on over to the KY thread. Old School Republican was trying to argue that racism had little to nothing to do with the Republican success in Kentucky in the past decade and then literally the next day Bevin put out a highly racist ad that said Beshear will let the state get overrun with illegals. You can’t make this stuff up lol


I stand by it, the fact is I bet you that ad only probably helps Bevin maybe a little bit. If he wins its cause the KY suburbs are still extremely Republican and the Anti-Coal Direction the Dems have gone in has made the Democrats starting position very weak.





No he’ll win because Republicans know exactly what it is they need to do to win these white aggrieved states: stoke racial resentment and pour gasoline on the fire. It’s worked remarkably well in this part of the country for the past decade, I’ll grant you that
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2019, 12:03:51 AM »

Chris Koster won a lot of similar endorsements and obviously that did not help him.

But the situation is different now. Koster was running for an open seat in a year before we all knew for sure that Missouri was rock hard GOP. Prior to Nov 2016, Missouri was still seen as a somewhat friendly state to Democrats below the Presidential level.

Also, Koster was almost invisible the last month and Greitens peaked at the right time.

Right now Beshear is running against an unpopular incumbent and hopefully keeps campaigning and working very hard!
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2019, 12:09:32 AM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.

Go on over to the KY thread. Old School Republican was trying to argue that racism had little to nothing to do with the Republican success in Kentucky in the past decade and then literally the next day Bevin put out a highly racist ad that said Beshear will let the state get overrun with illegals. You can’t make this stuff up lol


I stand by it, the fact is I bet you that ad only probably helps Bevin maybe a little bit. If he wins its cause the KY suburbs are still extremely Republican and the Anti-Coal Direction the Dems have gone in has made the Democrats starting position very weak.





No he’ll win because Republicans know exactly what it is they need to do to win these white aggrieved states: stoke racial resentment and pour gasoline on the fire. It’s worked remarkably well in this part of the country for the past decade, I’ll grant you that


LMAO , if Appalachia was so racist why did they trend D in the 1970s and 1980s while the Deep South Trended Hard R(It was more D relative to the Nation in 1988 compared to 1968).


Face it they changed because of Coal but because so many Partisan Dem Hacks are butt hurt that that they lost a former solid voting bloc they decide to rationalize it by saying they lost it over the fact those voters were racist.


Why is it so hard to believe voters wont vote for a party that wants to destroy the industry the area they live in relies on.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2019, 12:10:11 AM »

Hell, just look at Massachusetts and Vermont, people. What in the hell makes you think it's so impossible that a state that is solidly one party in presidential elections might swing sharply the other way in gubernatorial elections? This has never been the case before, and I'll be stunned if it suddenly changes in Kentucky (which has done this for a LONG time), in a year that will likely favor Democratic turnout, with the least popular governor in the country on the ballot.

It's even more idiotic if you think Edwards has a chance in Louisiana and/or Hood has a chance in Mississippi but not Beshear in Kentucky. There is absolutely no logical reason to believe those two can win but not Beshear.

Speaking of turnout, if you look at turnout reports for KY elections on their elections website, you will notice that in pretty much every election, turnout among Democrats is higher than among Republicans in terms of raw number of voters, but that hasn't prevented Republican victories (sometimes blowouts) by virtue of many Democratic voters voting Republican, especially for high-level offices. For example, in Knott County in 2015, turnout was 2647D-246R-37O, but the actual vote totals at the gubernatorial level were 1612R-1141D-132O. This is a clear indication that high turnout among Democrats won't favor them if many of them are voting Republican (in the example I mentioned, it's clear that the majority of Democratic voters who turned out ended up voting for the Republican gubernatorial candidate).
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2019, 12:17:35 AM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.

Go on over to the KY thread. Old School Republican was trying to argue that racism had little to nothing to do with the Republican success in Kentucky in the past decade and then literally the next day Bevin put out a highly racist ad that said Beshear will let the state get overrun with illegals. You can’t make this stuff up lol


I stand by it, the fact is I bet you that ad only probably helps Bevin maybe a little bit. If he wins its cause the KY suburbs are still extremely Republican and the Anti-Coal Direction the Dems have gone in has made the Democrats starting position very weak.





No he’ll win because Republicans know exactly what it is they need to do to win these white aggrieved states: stoke racial resentment and pour gasoline on the fire. It’s worked remarkably well in this part of the country for the past decade, I’ll grant you that


LMAO , if Appalachia was so racist why did they trend D in the 1970s and 1980s while the Deep South Trended Hard R(It was more D relative to the Nation in 1988 compared to 1968).


Face it they changed because of Coal but because so many Partisan Dem Hacks are butt hurt that that they lost a former solid voting bloc they decide to rationalize it by saying they lost it over the fact those voters were racist.


Why is it so hard to believe voters wont vote for a party that wants to destroy the industry the area they live in relies on.

Even if you are naïve (dare I say stupid?) enough to believe that, only about a third of Kentucky can be classified as Appalachia. How do you explain the rurals in the central and western part of the state voting in ever increasing Trumpingrad numbers, exacerbated when the black man became president?
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2019, 12:19:51 AM »
« Edited: September 18, 2019, 12:24:36 AM by Old School Republican »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.

Go on over to the KY thread. Old School Republican was trying to argue that racism had little to nothing to do with the Republican success in Kentucky in the past decade and then literally the next day Bevin put out a highly racist ad that said Beshear will let the state get overrun with illegals. You can’t make this stuff up lol


I stand by it, the fact is I bet you that ad only probably helps Bevin maybe a little bit. If he wins its cause the KY suburbs are still extremely Republican and the Anti-Coal Direction the Dems have gone in has made the Democrats starting position very weak.





No he’ll win because Republicans know exactly what it is they need to do to win these white aggrieved states: stoke racial resentment and pour gasoline on the fire. It’s worked remarkably well in this part of the country for the past decade, I’ll grant you that


LMAO , if Appalachia was so racist why did they trend D in the 1970s and 1980s while the Deep South Trended Hard R(It was more D relative to the Nation in 1988 compared to 1968).


Face it they changed because of Coal but because so many Partisan Dem Hacks are butt hurt that that they lost a former solid voting bloc they decide to rationalize it by saying they lost it over the fact those voters were racist.


Why is it so hard to believe voters wont vote for a party that wants to destroy the industry the area they live in relies on.

Even if you are naïve (dare I say stupid?) enough to believe that, only about a third of Kentucky can be classified as Appalachia. How do you explain the rurals in the central and western part of the state voting in ever increasing Trumpingrad numbers, exacerbated when the black man became president?


Those parts of KY were Republican years before Obama was even a Senator and lol Central KY voted for HW in 92 and Bob Dole as well and both Bush in 92 and Dole in 96 win KY if not for Perot . So the last time KY would have voted Dem without a spoiler is back in 76 and that would have been the Dems only win in KY since 1956.


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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2019, 12:27:31 AM »

You did not answer my question at all. Those non-coal parts of Kentucky still zoomed right under Obama, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to put two and two together. I’m done arguing with you. You are constantly moving goal posts and definitions when the evidence doesn’t support you, and I have little interest in carrying this on further with you.

This will be a fun throwback thread though when Bevin sweeps all the non-coal rural counties as soon as he plasters his racist ads all over the airwaves and Trump has a rally.
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2019, 06:52:47 AM »

Someone needs to ban TrendsareReal from all KY-related threads.
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2019, 10:09:24 PM »

Someone needs to ban TrendsareReal from all KY-related threads.

He'll look very prescient in a month and change.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2019, 10:27:06 PM »

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FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Kentucky Democratic gubernatorial nominee Andy Beshear has won an endorsement from the Kentucky State Fraternal Order of Police.

Beshear has stressed his record as attorney general in his campaign against Republican Gov. Matt Bevin. Beshear says he has worked with law enforcement on his top goals.

Beshear points to his efforts to prosecute child sex offenders, clear the rape kit backlog, combat human trafficking, stop senior scams and battle the drug epidemic.

The Democratic challenger says he’s committed to fully funding pensions for law enforcement officials, and says he’ll fight for policies to keep communities safe.

Bevin’s campaign says the governor’s support for law enforcement has included protecting funding for training and pushing for better pay for officers.

In reviewing candidates, FOP official Drew Fox says conversations focused on pensions, benefits and officers’ safety.

Note that Democrats rarely win endorsements from police unions and that the national Fraternal Order of Police endorsed Trump in 2016.

This won't make any difference. Beshear is still well on his way to defeat in November. Does anyone really think that Kentucky voters will care about this endorsement?

They care more about the imaginary illegal immigrants from Latin America that will swarm the state if Beshear is elected, as evidenced by Bevin’s effective new ad riling up the racists

Even if quite literally every word you said is true, it’s sad most posters now sound like this in 80% of topics.  This isn’t analysis, regardless of truth.
This is why I put people who spew stuff like this over and over and over on ignore. It's not enlightening, interesting or entertaining to read, even if their predictions are accurate or not. (Also in the case of IceSpear it was also because the way he overuses emojis is so irritating I wouldn't care if he was posting hipster Christian screeds or writing about obscure emo records I love.)
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2019, 07:35:45 PM »

These type of endorsements really make a difference especially when Rs are hell bent on running fear monger campaigns on crime & immigrants. It's nice to have LEO back you up from the MS-13 ads.
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2019, 12:37:16 AM »

LMAO , if Appalachia was so racist why did they trend D in the 1970s and 1980s while the Deep South Trended Hard R(It was more D relative to the Nation in 1988 compared to 1968).

The Reagan administration was viewed as anti-union, especially after the crackdown on the air traffic controllers’ strike in 1981. Back then, union membership in Appalachia was quite high so this should easily explain the D trend there at least in that decade. It also explains why Reagan/Bush tended to run well behind their statewide numbers in the Appalachian parts of states like KY, OH, PA and VA.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2019, 12:38:14 AM »

LMAO , if Appalachia was so racist why did they trend D in the 1970s and 1980s while the Deep South Trended Hard R(It was more D relative to the Nation in 1988 compared to 1968).

The Reagan administration was viewed as anti-union, especially after the crackdown on the air traffic controllers’ strike in 1981. Back then, union membership in Appalachia was quite high so this should easily explain the D trend there at least in that decade. It also explains why Reagan/Bush tended to run well behind their statewide numbers in the Appalachian parts of states like KY, OH, PA and VA.


I know why it trended D , just asking the question rhetorically 
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2019, 11:39:04 PM »
« Edited: September 20, 2019, 11:43:05 PM by RINO Tom »

LMAO , if Appalachia was so racist why did they trend D in the 1970s and 1980s while the Deep South Trended Hard R(It was more D relative to the Nation in 1988 compared to 1968).

The Reagan administration was viewed as anti-union, especially after the crackdown on the air traffic controllers’ strike in 1981. Back then, union membership in Appalachia was quite high so this should easily explain the D trend there at least in that decade. It also explains why Reagan/Bush tended to run well behind their statewide numbers in the Appalachian parts of states like KY, OH, PA and VA.

The point he’s making is worth noting.  Democrats weren’t like *open* about having any “racist” voters in 2012 or 2008 or 1994 or 1980 or any other year.  It’s only once voters leave their team are they appropriately labeled as amoral, subhuman trash, lol.  If their words rang hollow when I was on this site in 2012 or 2004 when I was growing up or 1980 when my parents were watching politics unfold ... what’s the point in listening to them yap about it in every thread now?  If rural Blacks shift 10% Republican in the next ten years, we’ll be reading some of these psychopaths talking about how “Yeah, there USED to be some way-too-religious, under-educated homophobe bumpkins from AL and MS in our party, but that was way back in 2018!  Trends have really accelerated since then.”  I’ll wait until 20xx when the Democratic Party is fully *perfect* to give a shlt about the type of “analysis” that is as intellectually stimulating as “Black voters in Chicago would never vote Republican because they’re an assortment of adjectives I find despicable.”

That elementary BS belongs on other sites, regardless of who’s President.
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2019, 11:50:26 PM »

LMAO , if Appalachia was so racist why did they trend D in the 1970s and 1980s while the Deep South Trended Hard R(It was more D relative to the Nation in 1988 compared to 1968).

The Reagan administration was viewed as anti-union, especially after the crackdown on the air traffic controllers’ strike in 1981. Back then, union membership in Appalachia was quite high so this should easily explain the D trend there at least in that decade. It also explains why Reagan/Bush tended to run well behind their statewide numbers in the Appalachian parts of states like KY, OH, PA and VA.

The point he’s making is worth noting.  Democrats weren’t like *open* about having any “racist” voters in 2012 or 2008 or 1994 or 1980 or any other year.  It’s only once voters leave their team are they appropriately labeled as amoral, subhuman trash, lol.  If their words rang hollow when I was on this site in 2012 or 2004 when I was growing up or 1980 when my parents were watching politics unfold ... what’s the point in listening to them yap about it in every thread now?  If rural Blacks shift 10% Republican in the next ten years, we’ll be reading some of these psychopaths talking about how “Yeah, there USED to be some way-too-religious, under-educated homophobe bumpkins from AL and MS in our party, but that was way back in 2018!  Trends have really accelerated since then.”  I’ll wait until 20xx when the Democratic Party is fully *perfect* to give a shlt about the type of “analysis” that is as intellectually stimulating as “Black voters in Chicago would never vote Republican because they’re an assortment of adjectives I find despicable.”

That elementary BS belongs on other sites, regardless of who’s President.

You’re on Dave Leip’s US Election Atlas Forum. I don’t know what you think you signed up for, but clearly you need to adjust your expectations, lol
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2019, 12:53:25 PM »

Well, 739 posts, it didn’t used to be this bad, so thanks for your contributions.
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2019, 01:59:50 PM »

I'll guess I'll dare be the one that raises the question: is it possible Appalachia is simply more racist today than it was in the 1980s? Note that the Virginia coal counties voted for Doug Wilder in 1989 then had Republican swings in 2008.
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