Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[Pouring Rain and Blairing Music]

If Biden finishes below Buttigieg & Klobuchar in 4th he is in serious trouble and that might make life for Sanders much easier.

We really need a Nevada Poll! I bet Sanders is either tied or slightly ahead there.

Given the poll of California that had Sanders at almost 40%, I would be surprised if he wasn’t leading in NV, even accounting for the strength of the Culinary Union.

[YE]

Today feels way too pro-Bernie to be feel real. Like h**ly sh**t, he might actually just blow this thing open as long as he doesn't lose NH or win very narrowly and be well on his way to at least a plurality of delegates. Sanders has slid under the radar and at Warren's height, it seemed his campaign was finished. Yet something changed when he had a heart attack. It was one of those pivotal sink or swim moments. Either things turn around for him or things sink, and the former happened. AOC and Omar and Tilab all endorsing him combined with Warren not handling frontrunner scrutiny allowed Sanders to consolidate the progressive vote and peak at the right time. Combined with Biden floundering and overall a so far inability to consolidate the anti-Sanders vote, it feels like the stars are aligning for him. It's not a done deal for Sanders by any stretch of imagination. If Biden wins SC, he still has momentum headed into ST, and there's uncertainty at how much of a factor Bloomberg could be (though a case could be made he's Sanders's biggest competition at this point which is shows how well things are going for him more than anything else IMO). Of course, Buttigeg could win NH, and send this race to pure chaos and in a few weeks I could be on the Biden train in desperation to stop Buttigeg.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Today feels way too pro-Bernie to be feel real. Like h**ly sh**t, he might actually just blow this thing open as long as he doesn't lose NH or win very narrowly and be well on his way to at least a plurality of delegates. Sanders has slid under the radar and at Warren's height, it seemed his campaign was finished. Yet something changed when he had a heart attack. It was one of those pivotal sink or swim moments. Either things turn around for him or things sink, and the former happened. AOC and Omar and Tilab all endorsing him combined with Warren not handling frontrunner scrutiny allowed Sanders to consolidate the progressive vote and peak at the right time. Combined with Biden floundering and overall a so far inability to consolidate the anti-Sanders vote, it feels like the stars are aligning for him. It's not a done deal for Sanders by any stretch of imagination. If Biden wins SC, he still has momentum headed into ST, and there's uncertainty at how much of a factor Bloomberg could be (though a case could be made he's Sanders's biggest competition at this point which is shows how well things are going for him more than anything else IMO). Of course, Buttigeg could win NH, and send this race to pure chaos and in a few weeks I could be on the Biden train in desperation to stop Buttigeg.

The real test will be how Bernie holds up when the anti-Sanders vote does consolidate around someone.  That will happen eventually simply b/c of how afraid of him the establishment is and I've yet to see any evidence that Bernie can win when that happens.

[YE]

Today feels way too pro-Bernie to be feel real. Like h**ly sh**t, he might actually just blow this thing open as long as he doesn't lose NH or win very narrowly and be well on his way to at least a plurality of delegates. Sanders has slid under the radar and at Warren's height, it seemed his campaign was finished. Yet something changed when he had a heart attack. It was one of those pivotal sink or swim moments. Either things turn around for him or things sink, and the former happened. AOC and Omar and Tilab all endorsing him combined with Warren not handling frontrunner scrutiny allowed Sanders to consolidate the progressive vote and peak at the right time. Combined with Biden floundering and overall a so far inability to consolidate the anti-Sanders vote, it feels like the stars are aligning for him. It's not a done deal for Sanders by any stretch of imagination. If Biden wins SC, he still has momentum headed into ST, and there's uncertainty at how much of a factor Bloomberg could be (though a case could be made he's Sanders's biggest competition at this point which is shows how well things are going for him more than anything else IMO). Of course, Buttigeg could win NH, and send this race to pure chaos and in a few weeks I could be on the Biden train in desperation to stop Buttigeg.

The real test will be how Bernie holds up when the anti-Sanders vote does consolidate around someone.  That will happen eventually simply b/c of how afraid of him the establishment is and I've yet to see any evidence that Bernie can win when that happens.

I agree to a large extent but at that point is it too late? Their best hope would probably be a contested convention but much like 2016 on the GOP side, would fear of one, and not sure how we win a GE by having one, result in a rallying affect around Sanders? It kinda depends on how fast the anti-Sanders vote consolidates around someone and honestly given how delegate rich Super Tuesday is, the odds aren't in the favor of stopping Sanders outright or coming close to doing so.

[Beet]

Sanders going to a rock concert with a big crowd means nothing.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Sanders had big concerts and big crowds before Iowa too and ended up getting 25% with lower turnout than 2016.

[Dr. Arch]

Sanders had big concerts and big crowds before Iowa too and ended up getting 25% with lower turnout than 2016.

Turnout was higher.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Today feels way too pro-Bernie to be feel real. Like h**ly sh**t, he might actually just blow this thing open as long as he doesn't lose NH or win very narrowly and be well on his way to at least a plurality of delegates. Sanders has slid under the radar and at Warren's height, it seemed his campaign was finished. Yet something changed when he had a heart attack. It was one of those pivotal sink or swim moments. Either things turn around for him or things sink, and the former happened. AOC and Omar and Tilab all endorsing him combined with Warren not handling frontrunner scrutiny allowed Sanders to consolidate the progressive vote and peak at the right time. Combined with Biden floundering and overall a so far inability to consolidate the anti-Sanders vote, it feels like the stars are aligning for him. It's not a done deal for Sanders by any stretch of imagination. If Biden wins SC, he still has momentum headed into ST, and there's uncertainty at how much of a factor Bloomberg could be (though a case could be made he's Sanders's biggest competition at this point which is shows how well things are going for him more than anything else IMO). Of course, Buttigeg could win NH, and send this race to pure chaos and in a few weeks I could be on the Biden train in desperation to stop Buttigeg.

The real test will be how Bernie holds up when the anti-Sanders vote does consolidate around someone.  That will happen eventually simply b/c of how afraid of him the establishment is and I've yet to see any evidence that Bernie can win when that happens.

I'm honestly sceptical that there is an "anti-Sanders" vote out there that will coalesce somehow. Sanders has the highest favourability and the largest % of voters who are considering him out of the entire field. Dem primary voters like Bernie, they might worry he's too old or how he's going to get his agenda passed but there isn't a significant constituency who will jump on a stop Sanders bandwagon purely in order to deny him the nomination. The moderate vote will only coalesce if another candidate (Biden, Bloomberg, Buttigieg etc.) can gain some momentum and put together a successful campaign on their own merits. Sanders is favoured right now because that doesn't seem to be on the horizon before he can put together a string of victories up to Super Tuesday, which by then it could be too late.

If Bernie comes out of Super Tuesday with a clear lead in delegates I don't see the moderate wing going "Holy sh**t, we have to throw our support to Bloomberg now or this maniac is our nominee!" Plenty of moderate Dems will probably go "Bernie's not my preferred candidate, but I can live with him if the alternative is a drawn-out primary battle ending in a contested convention." Much like what happened with Trump in 2016.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Sanders had big concerts and big crowds before Iowa too and ended up getting 25% with lower turnout than 2016.

Turnout was higher.

Oh you're right, it was just down from expectations.  I heard it was disappointing and assumed it was down overall.

[John Dule]

Sanders had big concerts and big crowds before Iowa too and ended up getting 25% with lower turnout than 2016.

Bernie Sanders CRUSHED in MASSIVE SETBACK for campaign, winning only HALF of the vote he received in 2016 while FRONTRUNNER JOE BIDEN receives 10 TIMES the percentage he received in Iowa in 2008!!!!

[American2020]

Moderate Democrats have a duty to consider Sanders. He has a clear path to beating Trump.

If moderate Democrats are serious when they say their only concern is beating President Donald Trump, they should get used to the thought of backing Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

If you believe in saving democracy, the courts and the planet, and reversing the unrepentant cruelty, corruption and carelessness that define the current administration, you have a duty to at least consider the candidacy of the most popular senator in America, the top fundraiser in the Democratic primaries, and the man who has generally beaten Trump in head-to-head polls for five years now.

Sure, you can’t ignore a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that shows “socialism” — half of Sanders’ “democratic socialist” brand — about as unpopular as capitalism is popular. Conventional wisdom suggests Republicans would love to run against a socialist as the stock market continually hits new highs, raising all boats that happen to float on a sea of 401(k)s.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moderate-democrats-duty-consider-sanders-140012508.html

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Surprised no one has brought up the ugly Chuck Todd comment. I’m beginning to think he’s the person behind General MacArthur’s deranged account

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1227265676487929860
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1227267307875053568
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1227276197165436930



LIVE: Mr. Bloomberg is trying to stop Bernie

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

LIVE: Mr. Bloomberg is trying to stop Bernie

I would pay money to see Mike Bloomberg do exactly that. 

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RosieGray/status/1227282241543385089
And it begins

[Florida Man for Crime]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RosieGray/status/1227282241543385089
And it begins

The party establishment is starting to rally behind the nominee.

[We Live in Black and White]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RosieGray/status/1227282241543385089
And it begins

The party establishment is starting to rally behind the nominee.

I think they're starting to realize that Biden has given up and that Pete and Bloomberg come tied to great, big, fat GE losses on account of their respectively ignorant and outright racist pasts.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RosieGray/status/1227282241543385089
And it begins

The party establishment is starting to rally behind the nominee.

No, not really.  If this means anything (and I highly doubt that it does), it's a sign that some establishment types are trying to ensure it's possible for the party to rally around Bernie if he's the nominee because right now a lot of Democrats he'll need in November are terrified enough of him that they might sit out the GE. 

[DrScholl]

A person cannot be the nominee when only one state has officially voted. You all are trying to give Sanders the coronation that you accused the party of giving Hillary Clinton. This race is still fluid right now and no one has the nomination.

[reciprocity]

A person cannot be the nominee when only one state has officially voted. You all are trying to give Sanders the coronation that you accused the party of giving Hillary Clinton. This race is still fluid right now and no one has the nomination.

A bunch of supporters on the internet <<<< The DNC being bias towards a candidate during primary elections.

[DrScholl]

A person cannot be the nominee when only one state has officially voted. You all are trying to give Sanders the coronation that you accused the party of giving Hillary Clinton. This race is still fluid right now and no one has the nomination.

A bunch of supporters on the internet <<<< The DNC being bias towards a candidate during primary elections.

I'm not an idiot, son, I know the difference. Second, my point is that the people who railed against coronation people seem ready to declare the race over before many votes have been cast. Some folks are fine with a coronation as long as it's for their guy. Random online fans don't control the process, but they do have an opinion that is slightly hypocritical.

[We Live in Black and White]

A person cannot be the nominee when only one state has officially voted. You all are trying to give Sanders the coronation that you accused the party of giving Hillary Clinton. This race is still fluid right now and no one has the nomination.

A bunch of supporters on the internet <<<< The DNC being bias towards a candidate during primary elections.

I'm not an idiot, son, I know the difference. Second, my point is that the people who railed against coronation people seem ready to declare the race over before many votes have been cast. Some folks are fine with a coronation as long as it's for their guy.

It's called irony. Fitting that someone with no sense of humor at all wouldn't grasp that concept.

[DrScholl]

A person cannot be the nominee when only one state has officially voted. You all are trying to give Sanders the coronation that you accused the party of giving Hillary Clinton. This race is still fluid right now and no one has the nomination.

A bunch of supporters on the internet <<<< The DNC being bias towards a candidate during primary elections.

I'm not an idiot, son, I know the difference. Second, my point is that the people who railed against coronation people seem ready to declare the race over before many votes have been cast. Some folks are fine with a coronation as long as it's for their guy.

It's called irony. Fitting that someone with no sense of humor at all wouldn't grasp that concept.

I have a sense of humor. I just don't see anything knee slapping and hilarious about that particular post.

[Sorenroy]

A person cannot be the nominee when only one state has officially voted. You all are trying to give Sanders the coronation that you accused the party of giving Hillary Clinton. This race is still fluid right now and no one has the nomination.

A bunch of supporters on the internet <<<< The DNC being bias towards a candidate during primary elections.

I'm not an idiot, son, I know the difference. Second, my point is that the people who railed against coronation people seem ready to declare the race over before many votes have been cast. Some folks are fine with a coronation as long as it's for their guy.

It's called irony. Fitting that someone with no sense of humor at all wouldn't grasp that concept.

I have a sense of humor. I just don't see anything knee slapping and hilarious about that particular post.

You really think the same group of people that were making calls, canvassing, and pushing people to the polls all the way up to California in 2016 are now solemnly calling for the party to rally around Sanders after one state? You don't think, maybe, it might be mocking their counterparts who, in 2016, were dedicated to calling the race for Clinton months before any votes were cast and who seemed aghast that Sanders would contest her nomination?

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RosieGray/status/1227282241543385089
And it begins

The party establishment is starting to rally behind the nominee.

No, not really.  If this means anything (and I highly doubt that it does), it's a sign that some establishment types are trying to ensure it's possible for the party to rally around Bernie if he's the nominee because right now a lot of Democrats he'll need in November are terrified enough of him that they might sit out the GE. 

It speaks volumes of how scared those Democrats are of their own shadows that they would do that