Emsworth vs. Cosmo Kramer

[jokerman]

Who said I was anti-states-rights?

[Bono]

Emsworth/Kramer

I like Kramer, a lot actually, but Emsworth is pretty much exactly what I'd want in a Presidential candidate.

It makes a really odd map:

Kramer: 334
Emsworth: 204

Idaho would go for Emmy methinks.

[CheeseWhiz]

Who said I was anti-states-rights?

No one, but you certainly don't support it to the point of Emsworth does.

CT I heard was pretty pro-life...NC and SC are, I think, the most Libertarian southern states...as for WI...they seem moderately Libertarian...GA might go for Emsworth

You're on crack.

^^^

Did you read the second page?

Idaho would go for Emmy methinks.

Really?  I didn't know how much the Mormons would influence that state.

[jokerman]

Yeah, but I'm not opposed to States-Rights enough for it to swing to Emsworth on that one single issue.

[Bono]

Who said I was anti-states-rights?

You.
You said repeated times you were in favor of a strong federal government.

[jokerman]

What does the strength of the federal government nesecarily have to do with the power of the states.  They are not necesarily in negative correlation.

I'm a great supporter of States-Rights in many cicumstances, and I have a feeling that my moderate views are closer to those of those States than the extreme views of Emsworth anyway.

[Emsworth]

Preston wins every county in the nation.

What does the strength of the federal government nesecarily have to do with the power of the states.

The two are inversely related (roughly speaking). Where the strength federal government grows, the role of the state government is reduced.

For example, let's say that social security is run by the states. In this instance, states have an important role to play; some states might privatize social security, while others may not. On the other hand, if the federal government is the one providing social security, then states have no role at all, and everything is decided in Washington, D.C.

[CheeseWhiz]

Preston wins every county in the nation.

Not even htmldon said that

Like I asked Don, why would Alaska and Montana choose Preston over you?

[Cubby]

Yes Idaho would go for Emsworth

CT pro-life??! You're funny   We're Catholic but pro-choice, thats why we liked John Kerry.

My question is why would Utah go for Preston so strongly? Is he/Are you Mormon? Somehow I doubt it.

And Wisconsin would go for Preston over Emsworth

[CheeseWhiz]

Yes Idaho would go for Emsworth

Okay, well then, mentally change it

CT pro-life??! You're funny   We're Catholic but pro-choice, thats why we liked John Kerry.

At least you don't think I'm on crack   I may have been thinking of RI, is it pro-life?  I really don't know a lot about state politics.

My question is why would Utah go for Preston so strongly? Is he/Are you Mormon? Somehow I doubt it.

No, but he's very religious, and I think that would make Utah go for him very strongly.

And Wisconsin would go for Preston over Emsworth

Okay, that was one of the ones I was least sure about.

[CheeseWhiz]

Updated map:



Anymore polite suggestions are welcome

[jokerman]

Again, no way South Carolina and North Carolina go for Emsworth.  Libertarian Socially Liberal Yankee vs. Populist, Proud Southern.  Not to mention blacks and hispanics go heavily for me.

take a hint.  Emsworth is probably even more pro states-rights than these states are anyway, and I'm pretty pro states-rights myself.

[CheeseWhiz]

Okay, who's actually lived in the Carolinas?  I have, and from what I've seen, they're sorta populist at a state level, but would definitely like a smaller federal Government.  I just think Emsworth is their ideal candidate, even if he might be a little too much.

P.S. Never, ever tell me to "take a hint"

[jokerman]

No South or North Carolinan is voting for a socially liberal yankee

[CheeseWhiz]

No South or North Carolinan is voting for a socially liberal yankee

He wants to give the states the right to decide things like abortion and churches the right to decide marriage, he sounds pretty good for NC and SC to me.  Like I said, have you ever even been there?

P.S. I have you winning like 300 something to 100 something, why do you care so much about NC and SC?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Updated map:



Anymore suggestions are welcome

First, I have to keep telling myself that this really doesn't matter

But if you honestly believe that any state, let alone Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, or the Carolinas, would vote for someone who doesn't believe in any objective morality - then you might want to get an education on contemporary political thought in the United States.

[CheeseWhiz]

But if you honestly believe that any state, let alone Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, or the Carolinas, would vote for someone who doesn't believe in any objective morality - then you might want to get an education on contemporary political thought in the United States.

So, would you like to tell me why Montana and Alaska would vote for Preston over Emsworth?  I like Kramer and all, but some places believe things very close to what Emsworth believes.

[A18]

Why would any state care whether he believes in objective morality?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

But if you honestly believe that any state, let alone Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, or the Carolinas, would vote for someone who doesn't believe in any objective morality - then you might want to get an education on contemporary political thought in the United States.

So, would you like to tell me why Montana and Alaska would vote for Preston over Emsworth?  I like Kramer and all, but some places believe things very close to what Emsworth believes.

You're telling me there is a place in America where people are overwhelmingly secular, people don't believe in objective morality, AND oppose just about every aspect of government?

Emsworth is extremely smart and thus realizes that he wouldn't win one county, let alone one state.

Montana:
Lyndon Johnson     Hubert Humphrey     Democrat     164,246     58.95%     4
Barry Goldwater    William Miller    Republican    113,032    40.57%    0

Alaska:
Lyndon Johnson     Hubert Humphrey     Democrat     44,329     65.91%     3
Barry Goldwater    William Miller    Republican    22,930    34.09%    0

That's 65% in Alaska for LBJ against Goldwater.  Goldwater was a moderate relative to Emsworth.

Here's how this would really stack up:

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Why would any state care whether he believes in objective morality?

This sooo belongs in the "funniest post" thread.

[CheeseWhiz]

But if you honestly believe that any state, let alone Kansas, Nebraska, Indiana, or the Carolinas, would vote for someone who doesn't believe in any objective morality - then you might want to get an education on contemporary political thought in the United States.

So, would you like to tell me why Montana and Alaska would vote for Preston over Emsworth?  I like Kramer and all, but some places believe things very close to what Emsworth believes.

You're telling me there is a place in America where people are overwhelmingly secular, people don't believe in objective morality, AND oppose just about every aspect of government?

I really don't think many people care about the first two, and a lot of people do oppose most aspects of the Government, why do you think the Libertarians are one of the largest third parties in America?

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Yes, well, that was weird of him.  Emsworth is smart, and can defend his positions well.  He would be able to win at least a few states, and definitely some counties.

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So, state politics hasn't changed at all in over 40 years?  Don't go telling me I need an education.

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I really, really, really, really doubt it.

[CheeseWhiz]

Why would any state care whether he believes in objective morality?

This sooo belongs in the "funniest post" thread.

No, this does:

I won't assume it, but would you be voting for Preston too?

I would crawl across broken glass and hop over a minefield to vote for Preston in such a circumstance.  I would even vote for him if he were the nominee of the Democrat Party.

P.S. Way to avoid answering Philip's point!

[A18]

Why would any state care whether he believes in objective morality?

This sooo belongs in the "funniest post" thread.

Actually, the lack of objective morality has no practical implications.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Why would any state care whether he believes in objective morality?

This sooo belongs in the "funniest post" thread.

Actually, the lack of objective morality has no practical implications.

Uh yeah... cause people always vote on practical implications.....

[A18]

No one would care about his views on objective morality. They might take issue with his personal morals, but that's a separate issue.