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« on: August 21, 2019, 06:04:33 PM »

https://yellowhammernews.com/tuberville-has-seized-the-momentum-internal-polling-shows-16-gap-in-u-s-senate-primary/
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2019, 07:41:46 PM »

Even if Roy Moore is the nominee, Doug Jones will still lose.
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2019, 07:45:13 PM »

Even if Roy Moore is the nominee, Doug Jones will still lose.
Surprise surprise. SnowLabrador thinks Democrat will lose.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2019, 07:46:51 PM »

Even if Roy Moore is the nominee, Doug Jones will still lose.
Surprise surprise. SnowLabrador thinks Democrat will lose.
SnowLabrador is a discount LimoLiberal, but in this case he's correct.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2019, 02:28:43 AM »

Even if Roy Moore is the nominee, Doug Jones will still lose.
Surprise surprise. SnowLabrador thinks Democrat will lose.

Well, in this case, you know what they say about broken clocks...
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2019, 02:37:53 AM »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2019, 02:54:34 AM »

It’s gonna be a TN-SEN 2018 repeat. Too many white evangelicals will show up to vote for a non-pedophile Republican.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2019, 03:02:31 AM »

Tuberville? Is he a potato
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 03:49:06 AM »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.

Jones is DOA in most scenarios. He didn’t win in 2017 because of some crossover appeal (like Manchin) but because conservative voters stayed at home. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Walter Maddox.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2019, 04:18:01 PM »
« Edited: August 22, 2019, 04:22:02 PM by Calthrina950 »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.

Jones is DOA in most scenarios. He didn’t win in 2017 because of some crossover appeal (like Manchin) but because conservative voters stayed at home. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Walter Maddox.

Jones' win can also be attributed to the heavy turnout by black voters (for a special election), who were mobilized against Moore. In 2020, blacks will turnout at the same rates as they did in 2017, but conservative white voters will turnout at presidential levels, and that alone will swamp Jones. Regardless of who the nominee is (anyone except for Moore), Jones will lose by double digits. An 11-15% loss would be the best that he could hope for.

Hopefully, Tuberville wins the nomination, because he is an outsider (Byrne is not), seems to have some personal likability, and is of course far superior to Moore. That being said, I would still vote for Jones in the general, even though I know he is a lost cause. He has been a good Senator and a pragmatic one. If Trump loses in 2020, I would hope that Biden or whichever Democrat wins gives Jones a cabinet post.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2019, 04:51:32 PM »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.

Jones is DOA in most scenarios. He didn’t win in 2017 because of some crossover appeal (like Manchin) but because conservative voters stayed at home. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Walter Maddox.

Jones' win can also be attributed to the heavy turnout by black voters (for a special election), who were mobilized against Moore. In 2020, blacks will turnout at the same rates as they did in 2017, but conservative white voters will turnout at presidential levels, and that alone will swamp Jones. Regardless of who the nominee is (anyone except for Moore), Jones will lose by double digits. An 11-15% loss would be the best that he could hope for.

Hopefully, Tuberville wins the nomination, because he is an outsider (Byrne is not), seems to have some personal likability, and is of course far superior to Moore. That being said, I would still vote for Jones in the general, even though I know he is a lost cause. He has been a good Senator and a pragmatic one. If Trump loses in 2020, I would hope that Biden or whichever Democrat wins gives Jones a cabinet post.

Why would you support Jones ? Are not you a republican ? Anyway Jones is not a true moderate, yeah he looks like a centrist when you compare him to Warren and Sanders but he is not a Pryor or even a Donelly either. 
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2019, 04:59:28 PM »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.

Jones is DOA in most scenarios. He didn’t win in 2017 because of some crossover appeal (like Manchin) but because conservative voters stayed at home. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Walter Maddox.

Jones' win can also be attributed to the heavy turnout by black voters (for a special election), who were mobilized against Moore. In 2020, blacks will turnout at the same rates as they did in 2017, but conservative white voters will turnout at presidential levels, and that alone will swamp Jones. Regardless of who the nominee is (anyone except for Moore), Jones will lose by double digits. An 11-15% loss would be the best that he could hope for.

Hopefully, Tuberville wins the nomination, because he is an outsider (Byrne is not), seems to have some personal likability, and is of course far superior to Moore. That being said, I would still vote for Jones in the general, even though I know he is a lost cause. He has been a good Senator and a pragmatic one. If Trump loses in 2020, I would hope that Biden or whichever Democrat wins gives Jones a cabinet post.

Why would you support Jones ? Are not you a republican ? Anyway Jones is not a true moderate, yeah he looks like a centrist when you compare him to Warren and Sanders but he is not a Pryor or even a Donelly either. 

I'm an independent, as I've made clear before. But I wouldn't have a problem if Tuberville succeeds Jones, obviously. And I would argue that he has been relatively moderate, as he's voted with the Administration close to half the time, if I am recalling correctly.
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2019, 05:07:12 PM »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.

Jones is DOA in most scenarios. He didn’t win in 2017 because of some crossover appeal (like Manchin) but because conservative voters stayed at home. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Walter Maddox.

Jones' win can also be attributed to the heavy turnout by black voters (for a special election), who were mobilized against Moore. In 2020, blacks will turnout at the same rates as they did in 2017, but conservative white voters will turnout at presidential levels, and that alone will swamp Jones. Regardless of who the nominee is (anyone except for Moore), Jones will lose by double digits. An 11-15% loss would be the best that he could hope for.

Hopefully, Tuberville wins the nomination, because he is an outsider (Byrne is not), seems to have some personal likability, and is of course far superior to Moore. That being said, I would still vote for Jones in the general, even though I know he is a lost cause. He has been a good Senator and a pragmatic one. If Trump loses in 2020, I would hope that Biden or whichever Democrat wins gives Jones a cabinet post.

Why would you support Jones ? Are not you a republican ? Anyway Jones is not a true moderate, yeah he looks like a centrist when you compare him to Warren and Sanders but he is not a Pryor or even a Donelly either. 

I'm an independent, as I've made clear before. But I wouldn't have a problem if Tuberville succeeds Jones, obviously. And I would argue that he has been relatively moderate, as he's voted with the Administration close to half the time, if I am recalling correctly.

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2019, 05:23:05 PM »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.

Jones is DOA in most scenarios. He didn’t win in 2017 because of some crossover appeal (like Manchin) but because conservative voters stayed at home. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Walter Maddox.

Jones' win can also be attributed to the heavy turnout by black voters (for a special election), who were mobilized against Moore. In 2020, blacks will turnout at the same rates as they did in 2017, but conservative white voters will turnout at presidential levels, and that alone will swamp Jones. Regardless of who the nominee is (anyone except for Moore), Jones will lose by double digits. An 11-15% loss would be the best that he could hope for.

Hopefully, Tuberville wins the nomination, because he is an outsider (Byrne is not), seems to have some personal likability, and is of course far superior to Moore. That being said, I would still vote for Jones in the general, even though I know he is a lost cause. He has been a good Senator and a pragmatic one. If Trump loses in 2020, I would hope that Biden or whichever Democrat wins gives Jones a cabinet post.

Why would you support Jones ? Are not you a republican ? Anyway Jones is not a true moderate, yeah he looks like a centrist when you compare him to Warren and Sanders but he is not a Pryor or even a Donelly either. 

I'm an independent, as I've made clear before. But I wouldn't have a problem if Tuberville succeeds Jones, obviously. And I would argue that he has been relatively moderate, as he's voted with the Administration close to half the time, if I am recalling correctly.

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I wouldn't expect any Democrat to be on par with the Republican caucus in voting with Trump, and that's not what I want in any case. My main position is that the loss of Jones (which is inevitable) would still contribute to the intensification of polarization. A Senate divided strictly along partisan lines (i.e. Republican Senators from only Republican States, Democratic Senators from only Democratic States) would not be good, and has not been good, for this country.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2019, 05:24:05 PM »

This is bittersweet for Roy Moore. While he would like to be winning, he also likes being in the teens as well.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2019, 05:29:16 PM »

This is bittersweet for Roy Moore. While he would like to be winning, he also likes being in the teens as well.

LOL. This one is good
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2019, 05:34:38 PM »

Tuberville seems to be slightly favored at this point, and Byrne definitely has his work cut out for him. Moore isn’t going to win the nomination, but even so it’s obviously way too early to write Jones off.

Jones is DOA in most scenarios. He didn’t win in 2017 because of some crossover appeal (like Manchin) but because conservative voters stayed at home. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Walter Maddox.

Jones' win can also be attributed to the heavy turnout by black voters (for a special election), who were mobilized against Moore. In 2020, blacks will turnout at the same rates as they did in 2017, but conservative white voters will turnout at presidential levels, and that alone will swamp Jones. Regardless of who the nominee is (anyone except for Moore), Jones will lose by double digits. An 11-15% loss would be the best that he could hope for.

Hopefully, Tuberville wins the nomination, because he is an outsider (Byrne is not), seems to have some personal likability, and is of course far superior to Moore. That being said, I would still vote for Jones in the general, even though I know he is a lost cause. He has been a good Senator and a pragmatic one. If Trump loses in 2020, I would hope that Biden or whichever Democrat wins gives Jones a cabinet post.

Why would you support Jones ? Are not you a republican ? Anyway Jones is not a true moderate, yeah he looks like a centrist when you compare him to Warren and Sanders but he is not a Pryor or even a Donelly either.  

I'm an independent, as I've made clear before. But I wouldn't have a problem if Tuberville succeeds Jones, obviously. And I would argue that he has been relatively moderate, as he's voted with the Administration close to half the time, if I am recalling correctly.

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I wouldn't expect any Democrat to be on par with the Republican caucus in voting with Trump, and that's not what I want in any case. My main position is that the loss of Jones (which is inevitable) would still contribute to the intensification of polarization. A Senate divided strictly along partisan lines (i.e. Republican Senators from only Republican States, Democratic Senators from only Democratic States) would not be good, and has not been good, for this country.

To be honest with you, I'm not a big fan of ''Red state democrats'', they look sane on the campaign trail when they promise ''bipartisanship'' and ''compromise'' but when they are in DC they're doing what Schumer is telling them to do. Jon Tester is the posterchild for the world ''Hypocrite''
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