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« on: August 18, 2019, 09:34:48 AM »
« edited: August 18, 2019, 10:03:03 AM by Daddy Haslam for Sen, 2020 »


The Senate Leader for the Democrats could only stare at the screen. Damn. So close to getting a majority. So [dinking] close. The Democrats had taken Arizona, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, AND Tennessee, yet they had failed in taking the states that they were very interested in. those being Missouri, Montana, and Virginia. And they had lost Connecticut to Leiberman. That weasel had been primaried by Ned Lamont but ran anyway. Reid would make sure he wasn't allowed in the Democratic Caucus in the Senate. Hell, he was practically a Republican anyway. Why not just force him to be one fully?

Bernie Sanders had vowed to caucus with the Democrats in the Senate, so it would be 51 Republicans to 49 Democrats. They just needed to gain another 3 seats to be in the majority. Senate Majority Leader Reid had a nice ring to it.

He recalled the information he saw a few hours ago. About Jack Abramoff bribing congress and Mark Foley sending that stuff to Teenage boys. Had this information gone public during the election, it would've been a wave against the Republicans. One they could never recover from.

Instead, however, here they were. It was best to get this information public as soon as humanly possible. It would certainly help the Democrats in November of 2008, that much was certain. Speaking of 2008, Several people were considering a run. There was Hillary, Joe, John, those were the ones that everyone knew and they were expected to do really well. There were mid tier contenders, such as Dodd, Kucinich, and Bill, there was the guy who didn't have a chance in hell, being Mike. However, the one that took his interest was this new guy. A person who, at this point in time, had only been in the Senate for a year and change. Obama seemed like a strong and able candidate for President and Tom had a lot of hopes for him.

The problem was he was too green, too new in the Senate for the Presidency. The Democrats needed somebody experienced, somebody with at least two terms in office, to have a shot at the Presidency. Hillary was too controversial for that and god, Biden was a gaffe machine. 'Wait...' He opened his laptop, went to new CNN's website, and went to midterm elections. He clicked on the Governor's page. He clicked on the state he was looking for and nodded to himself. This governor seemed a fine choice to run.

He'd won in a landslide for re-election in a ruby red Republican state, meaning he could likely appeal to republican voters for the presidency, something none of the other possible candidates could do. Getting out his phone, he texted the number and waited for the governor to pick up. "Hello?" He asked.

"Hey. This is Senator Reid."

"Senator? Not that I don't mind the call, but why is the senate leader for the party calling a governor like myself?"

"I have a proposal. How does a run for President in 2008 sound?"



2006 Senate Elections



Republicans : 51 Seats (-4)
Democrats : 49 Seats (+4)

2006 Gubernatorial Elections



Democrats : 37 States (+15)
Republicans : 13 States

(State by state results will come later, House is the same as OTL)

So, what do you all think of this so far? I flipped a few races in Gov and Sen in order to make it a wave while keeping the three Senators who I plan to have an interesting career in the future (Talent/Allen) and for an event in the future (Burns). I'll update this when I feel like it while I'm doing TMWCTS TL.

Anyways, until next time, ciao.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2019, 09:57:51 AM »

Interestng. Also bad that Jon Tester will not be in the Senate. He is one if my favourite Senators. Looking forward to next updates
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2019, 10:05:39 AM »

Interesting. Also bad that Jon Tester will not be in the Senate. He is one if my favourite Senators. Looking forward to next updates

Thanks. I do have a poll for the top 7 running mate candidates for the Presidential Nominees ITTL. I can send you the link if you're interested in voting.

Also, 2008 will be a worse year for the Republicans on the Presidential, Gubernatorial, Senatorial, and House levels. Trust me, it'll get ugly. Far more ugly than OTL.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2019, 10:57:23 AM »

Interesting. Also bad that Jon Tester will not be in the Senate. He is one if my favourite Senators. Looking forward to next updates

Thanks. I do have a poll for the top 7 running mate candidates for the Presidential Nominees ITTL. I can send you the link if you're interested in voting.

Also, 2008 will be a worse year for the Republicans on the Presidential, Gubernatorial, Senatorial, and House levels. Trust me, it'll get ugly. Far more ugly than OTL.

Of course, send. I am extremely interested in this
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2019, 11:00:46 AM »

Looks good

Also I will go out a limb, and guess that is either Brad Henry or Phil Bredesen

Keep up the good work
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2019, 11:13:16 AM »

Looks good

Also I will go out a limb, and guess that is either Brad Henry or Phil Bredesen

Keep up the good work

Thanks. I can give you the poll if you'd like.

If anyone wants to give suggestions for Candidates in the 2008 Senate and Gov races, feel free to. RN, AL, AK, AR, CO, DE, GA, ID, and KY Sen has already been decided with results and candidates, but feel free to suggest the others, as well as suggestions for this TL.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2019, 06:48:18 PM »

As much as i dislike Blue Dog Democrats, this is still an interesting idea so i will come with a few suggestions for candidates.

ME Senate: Mike Michaud
NE Senate: Bob Kerrey
SC Senate: Jim Hodges
OK Senate: Brad Carson
TN Senate: Jim Cooper
TX Senate: Chet Edwards

IN GOV: John R. Gregg
ND GOV: Heidi Heitkamp

In any case i am looking forward to this TL.


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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2019, 06:51:04 PM »

As much as i dislike Blue Dog Democrats, this is still an interesting idea so i will come with a few suggestions for candidates.

ME Senate: Mike Michaud
NE Senate: Bob Kerrey
SC Senate: Jim Hodges
OK Senate: Brad Carson
TN Senate: Jim Cooper
TX Senate: Chet Edwards

IN GOV: John R. Gregg
ND GOV: Heidi Heitkamp

In any case i am looking forward to this TL.




Thank you. I can message you that poll so you can have half a choice in the top 7 list for both candidates.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2019, 06:55:58 PM »

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Thank you. I can message you that poll so you can have half a choice in the top 7 list for both candidates

Please do send.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2019, 07:05:15 PM »

Note : Once the poll reaches 10 responses, I'll close it up and write down the seven potential running mates for both nominees. If there is a many way tie, I'll pick the highest candidates first and then choose the remaining ones from a randomized order.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2019, 08:43:10 PM »


The Junior Illinois Senator had to admit it. It was looking alright. His presidential run, he meant. From what it looked like, every willing Democrat was in the race. Himself, Hillary, Edwards, and several others were looking for the Nomination though Clinton was leading heavily in the polls, but those same polls said that they were going to lose in several governor races and flip the Senate races in Missouri, Montana, and Virginia and all of them had been proven false. Still, he liked his chances. He was quickly rising up in the polls.

A literal dark horse could win the nomination and keep it away from a woman who wanted it all her life. To say that wasn't karma for Clinton's policies, he didn't know what was. He gave a soft sigh as he leaned back in his chair in relaxation. Tomorrow, he would do more campaigning but right now, he'd rather sit back and relax.

*RING! RING!*

Obama grumbled as he took the phone out of his pocket. Just as he was getting comfortable too. He looked at the number and saw that the color was his campaign's manager David Plouffe. He flipped his phone open and brought it next to his ear to talk. "Hey, Dave."

"Hey, Barack." Dave's voice sounded tense when on the phone, which peaked the Illinois Senator's interest. What was happening?

"Dave, what's wrong?"

"Turn on the TV, Barry." Obama grabbed the remote and flicked it to CNN and what he saw made him do a double take.



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TENNESSEE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCES PRESIDENTIAL RUN

Incumbent Democratic Governor Phil Bredesen announces Candidacy for Democratic Nomination

Phil Bredesen? That guy who run with a little over 80 % of the vote in his re-election last year? He hadn't heard much of Phil Bredesen and many other Democrats didn't know either. He shrugged, though. A Southern Governor would possibly add flavor to a race dominated by Senators. It'll probably be interesting.

Turning up the volume, he listened closely to his new opponent's speech : "...For the last 8 years, America has becoming more and more divided as the parties begin to lose more and more ideas of bi-partisanship for pure, cold blooded partisanship, something that isn't to the benefit of the people of these United States. We need to work together in order to make sure Washington isn't as Partisan as it is now ever again.

As Governor, I reached across the isle and was able to get legislation passed with help from both parties. A lot of democrats may get angry with my ideas and may call me a DINO in order to discredit me, which they can be allowed to do, then I guess by their own standards, JFK, Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton would also fit the bill.

Listen, right now, with our country slipping further and further down a great spiral and it is being made effective worse by the Partisan ideas festering in both parties in congress. And make no mistake, almost all of congress is corrupt, filled with people who would rather focus n getting an election rather than getting stuff done. As a Governor, you become more able to reach across the aisle. You get stuff done because you don't have to pander to your constituents all the time, you just do what is right for the states. I did that during my Tenure from 2003 to now as Governor of Tennessee and I'll do that even more as your President. It's time we all believe and unite once more. It's time we Believe in America's Unity.
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The crowd cheered loudly as the Tennessee Governor left the stage to shake hands of his constituents and start out on the campaign trail. His message was...interesting. He had turned his apparent Blue Dog ideas into a strong tool for himself by reminding people of JFK and Clinton.

This race got even more interesting, as now it looked like Bredesen could be a flavor of the month candidate or he could go all the way. It would all depend on what happened over these next few months. One thing was for sure.

The race for the Nomination was now going to be a real fight.

(Typed this while tired, so sorry for any mistakes)
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2019, 06:17:52 PM »


It was time, wasn't it? The first Democratic Debate held in Orangeburg, South Carolina. The president could only hope he wouldn't get mentioned as much. Hell, the information that was exposed a week after the midterms in 2006 was bad enough. He just wanted the Democrats to focus on other things than him. Policy, not what they think of the President.

Brian Williams started with introduction. He could care less about Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel. Biden and Edwards were somewhat interesting, in his opinion. But they all had no chance. What he, and probably everyone else, was focusing on was the three candidates in the middle. Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen, Illinois Senator Barack Obama,  and New York Senator and current front runner of the party Hillary Clinton. Bush could only chuckle at the irony. It was very likely at this point that he would both succeed and be succeeded by a Clinton. Politics was very interesting like that, wasn't it?

The first question was predictable. Iraq. Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. Jesus christ, was that all the media cared about nowadays? He never wanted to be a foreign policy president yet the War on Terror had dominated his entire damn presidency.

Clinton, Obama, Biden, Richardson, basically everyone was coming out against it and calling it a mistake. He was more interested in Phil Bredesen, who had yet to say his thoughts on the war.

"Governor Bredesen," Brian Williams began, "You have yet to give your opinion on the war in Iraq. You have stated, briefly, in some interviews, that it was a stupid mistake and that it never should've happened since your announcement. However, you haven't give an answer of substance. Now, with millions of people watching at home, can you give your full thoughts on the War in Iraq?"

"Thank you, Williams and yes, I will give my concise answer." The Governor began. Bush bit his lip, already expecting a harsh response. "I do believe the war was a massive mistake, one that has cost us many american lives. However, we must remember to not fully blame the Bush administration for the war. Yes, they have handled this war horribly, making decisions that prolonged this war that should've ended quickly. However, the intelligence community was very certain that there were in fact WMDs in Iraq.

Most people forget this but the UN gave Saddam a 15 month deadline to get rid of the WMDs. Our current Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, James Clapper, has stated to believe that Iraq got rid of the weapons to Iraq in the lead-up to the war. I don't believe this myself but it allows for some food for thought. But now, let's go onto the real problem. It's obvious it's time to withdraw. We've given help to the Iraqis for the last few years and now it's time to leave, but complete and total withdraw is not the answer.

After the American Civil War, we spent a few years in the South before withdrawing, ending Reconstruction. That was a mistake as it lead to 100 years of Jim Crow that damaged racial relations in this country for many years. Thankfully, those laws were abolished, allowing for great men like Senator Obama to be able to serve the country in the senate. However, had we not have withdrawn, then is it possible that racial tensions in this country would've been lessened? Is it possible that Jim Crow Laws wouldn't have existed? I don't have my own opinion but it brings to mind a question of 'Should the Union have left the south?'

Of course, people may want a more recent example, as the example I brought up was from the 1870s, one hundred and thirty years ago. I bring to you another example : Rwanda. Had we not have left, the genocide there could've been prevented. Somalia, had we worked with the people in that country, then it's likely that we could've stabilized the nation. The point I'm making is, we quickly leave a country or area too quickly and bad things could happen.

In Iraq today, the population there is approximately 97 % Muslim, which is a sign that the country could be stable in the future. However, let's go deeper, as there is various other sects of Islam in the world. The most famous being Sunni and Shia. These two groups, however, have a vast history of despising the other, with both disagreeing who should've succeeded the prophet Mohammed. Wars have been fought between these two sects for centuries.

In Iraq, approximately 15 % of the population is Sunni while around 80 % is Shia. That would mean that Shia should be in power with some Sunni officials in government, correct? This is a false assumption. Since the 1920s, following the Piques-Siqot Agreement that gave Britain Iraq and France Syria, The British put the Sunni in power as a balance to the Shia majority. This reminds me of another example : Rwanda, where the Tutsis, who were at 14 % of the population, where placed in power by the Belgians as a contrast to the Hutus, who made up 85 % of the population. When decolonization occurred, we left too quickly and thus Rwanda became a Tutsi dominated government with a Hutu President that allowed tensions to boil into the Genocide, which saw around 500,000–1,074,017 Tutsis killed.

This was a genocide that was preventable by all accounts yet America was still horrified, and rightly so, by the events in Somalia a year prior. Thankfully, we were able to halt the exact same things in Bosnia and Kosovo over the years with minimal military force required. But Iraq is different. Saddam was a very brutal man, I'm not denying that, but the thing is, he was able to keep the country stable. With him gone, there is nothing stopping a genocide on the scale of Rwanda, maybe even larger, from happening. Am I saying that Iraq could become another Rwanda? It's certainly a possibility. With decisions like these, one would have to consider all outcomes.

I believe in a withdrawal of troops slowly, 250 month by month until there is a peace force of around 2500 left. That peace force will remain for another two years until being pulled out entirely. A quick withdrawal like many people here simply isn't viable. It is not.
" The Governor finished his answer. Wow...that was a complicated answer. Bush could only hope the Democrats could take his advice though.

"So, if I'm getting this right, you're against a complete withdrawal of forces?"

"No, you're misinterpreting what I said, Brian. I am against a complete and total withdrawal that is done very quickly without thinking of the possible consequences. Quick withdrawals have led to so many awful things in history and I'd like to be able to prevent at least one more from happening."

"Alright then." The moderator nodded before asking another question "If you were in Congress, representing Tennessee, at the time of the Iraq vote, would you have voted in support of the war or against it?"

"Well, Brian, that would depend."

"On?"

"If I had hindsight. After all it is 20/20. Back when the vote took place in 2003, the most trusted man in the country, then Secretary of State Colin Powell, gave evidence that Iraq did have Weapons of Mass Destruction in the country. That speech to the United Nations convinced many that it was a time for action to prevent an even worse 9/11 from happening, as that was the fear at the time. If I was right there, right in that moment, without hindsight, it would be a complicated answer. I would see both perspectives, the first being that we need to prevent a worse 9/11 while the other argument is that we shouldn't let fear determine our policy. I would've considered the vote closely. In the end, however, I likely would've voted against the war for many reasons, including myself recognizing the need that while he may be brutal, Saddam was a stabilizing force in the Middle East. That is why George H.W. Bush didn't go forward in the Gulf War. As former C.I.A director, he understood that. Sadly, his son didn't.

With hindsight, the vote would've been a definite no and I think all of us here can agree on that.

I hope that clarifies things.
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"Of course, now on to..." Bush blocked out the rest of the debate, deep in pensive thought. Bredesen had given a strong and somewhat reasonable answer to the questions he was given. He seemed like a strong candidate for President. He may be a future contender in 2012 if the Democrats somehow lose, even. He hoped that McCain wouldn't be President though. The country wouldn't survive him.



WHO WON THE FIRST DEMOCRATIC DEBATE?

Governor Phil Bredesen : 30 %
Senator Hillary Clinton : 30 %
Senator Barack Obama : 30 %

Others : 7 %
Undecided : 3 %
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2019, 07:59:57 PM »

Interesting with the perspective from Dubya. Keep uo the good work.
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2019, 08:27:19 PM »
« Edited: August 19, 2019, 09:53:05 PM by Daddy Haslam for Sen, 2020 »


The Arizona Senator clicked his tongue. He was currently watching the reporting on Fox News and honestly, this primary season was looking tough. He was close to leading Giuliani and Thompson and Romney were within striking distance of him. This primary would certainly be closer, closer than most. Suddenly, the Arizona Senator had flashbacks of 2000, when he was running against a certain Texan Compassionate Conservative. That Texan would go on to swamp him in South Carolina and then the Primaries before winning the general election due to a mistake on Florida ballots.

Now it could be 2000 all over again. He was fearing the polls. A New Yorker was beating him in the REPUBLICAN Primary! He could understand someone like Gilmore, who was climbing his way up with good funding. But Giuliani? Why him? What was so special about him besides 9/11? His phone suddenly buzzed with a notification, causing him to look at it. It was a text from his campaign manager Richard H. Davis and it simply said 'Look at RCP.'

Sighing, he walked over to his laptop and opened it before heading to the website mentioned in the text. He then clicked on recent poll averages. Out of curiosity, he choose Democrat first and what he saw was somewhat interesting, to say the least.



Source : https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/

DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY AVERAGES, MAY 25TH, 2007

SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON OF NEW YORK : 36.7 %

GOVERNOR PHIL BREDESEN OF TENNESSEE : 24.2 %
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA OF ILLINOIS : 21.5 %
FORMER SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS OF NORTH CAROLINA : 10.4 %
SENATOR JOE BIDEN OF DELAWARE : 5.1 %
Others : 2.1 %

So, that Tennessee Governor was in second place, eh? To be fair, McCain had heard a lot about the guy from his staff and he seemed like a strong candidate. He also had the chance recently to watch his debate answer and oh boy was it a good response. It was hard to believe this guy lost to Sundquist 13 years ago because here he was right now, second place to a former first lady and incumbent Senator. He had to keep an eye out for him. Same with that Obama fella. He seemed like a strong threat to him.

He then went to the Republican Tab and was accepting of what he saw.



Source : https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/

REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AVERAGES, MAY 25TH, 2007

FORMER MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI OF NEW YORK : 23.7 %
SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN OF ARIZONA : 19.2 %
FORMER SENATOR FRED THOMPSON OF TENNESSEE : 14.9 %
FORMER GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY OF MASSACHUSETTS : 13.6 %
FORMER GOVERNOR JIM GILMORE OF VIRGINIA : 12.4 %
REPRESENTATIVE RON PAUL OF KENTUCKY : 10.5 %
FORMER GOVERNOR TOMMY THOMPSON OF WISCONSIN : 4.2 %
Others : 1.5 %

Yeah, it wasn't much a surprise to see these polls. It was clear a lot of republicans didn't like him. He was surprised at how high Gilmore and Paul were, but since they had gotten alright answers in the last debate, he assumed they would quickly fall. The current race was him, Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney, really.

He let out a breath of air and blew out his nose. Well, it was time for some campaigning.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2019, 08:40:23 PM »

Interesting with the perspective from Dubya. Keep uo the good work.

Thanks! Wdyt of Bredesen's answer and the newest update?
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2019, 08:50:53 AM »

I don’t think McCain believed Bush rightfully lost Florida...
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2019, 09:06:15 AM »

I don’t think McCain believed Bush rightfully lost Florida...

It's actually put up to interpretation. One could read it and believe that McCain believed it cost Bush more votes while another could read it and believe that McCain thought Bush lost Florida.
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2019, 10:43:14 AM »


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Thanks! Wdyt of Bredesen's answer and the newest update?

While i am all set against being in Iraq, his position seems informed and encompassing, i especially like the comparison to the occupation of the South after the Civil War. I am also positively surprised that Bredesen said that he would likely have voted against the war. Overall a decent answer, even if i think that the US should pull out a bit faster than Bredesen is suggesting.

As for the new update, i always enjoy the perspectives as they tell the story through different lenses. Overall i like it. Polling is good too.
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2019, 11:50:08 AM »


"...And remember, when you Believe in America's Unity, anything is possible!" and thus the Tennessee Governor finished his most recent speech in Montgomery, Alabama. People were cheering loudly for him and even chanting "Give Us Phil!" over and over again. As he walked off the stage, he began to reminisce on his run and how it started. In November of 2006, Senate Minority Leader Reid had called him personally and talked to him about running for President.

Bredesen had been initially surprised to get that call. After all, it's not every day that a top party figure would call and request something as big as running for President. He announced his candidacy a few months ago and here he was, one of the top three contenders, with Hillary now barely polling above him and Obama slightly behind him. It had to have been his first debate answer that had given him a significant boost in the polls followed by his strong campaigning and the endorsement of Evan Bayh of all people on June 16th, shortly after the second Debate, in which he gave strong answers when being asked on his moderate record.

Many were calling him the new Bill Clinton, stating his moderate ideas were very appealing to everyone, especially the south, and that he could end the Republican domination of the Senate by appealing to Southerners and getting them to support Democratic candidates. To be fair, it seemed like any Democrat could take Republican control of Congress away by flipping a few key races, like Colorado and North Carolina. But people were saying that states like Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Hell, even his home state of Tennessee was at play they said, if he became the Nominee.

A lot could change from now to the Primaries, but right now, it seemed like he was a top tier person in the running. Biden had killed his campaign early on with that comment on Obama being a fairy tale and Edwards was just trying to do whatever it took to stay in. Him, Clinton, and Obama would be the three main candidates in this race. He remembered that the Republican primaries also existed.

Currently, it looked like it would be a six way fight, with Gilmore, McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, and Paul all fighting one another in the polls. Romney seemed to be the biggest threat while Thompson seemed to be the weakest. At this point though, it wasn't if a Republican candidate could win this year. None would. It was how big of a loss it was for them.

Suddenly, his phone buzzed and he looked to see it was a text from Bayh. 'Just saw the speech you gave. Really great! Keep campaigning like that and Iowa's could be yours very soon.' The Governor smiled. He could see the headlines now : PHIL BREDESEN WINS IOWA! CLINTON CAMPAIGN IN SHOCK! Still, it was a ways away and honestly, he could lose his momentum due to a poor debate scandal or something similar, so it was best to not make any plans for then.

'Thank, Evan, but I don't think that I'll win Iowa yet. There's still 15 debates and several months of me campaigning before the primaries really start.'

'Understandable. I'm thinking of holding a rally with you in Cleveland later. you down?' Phil chuckled. Campaigning never really ended, did it.

'Sure!'

'Good, talk to you then.' and with that, Phil closed his phone and began to walk to his car. It was time to prepare for the debate on July 12th and the future debates and then he would go to Cleveland with Bayh. So far, all seemed well for him and it was unlikely anything was going to change.
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2019, 01:49:15 PM »

EDWARDS

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Source : https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Edwards

The Former North Carolina Senator and 2004 Democratic Vice Presidential Nominee could only look in sadness at the newest poll of Iowa, New Hampshire, and the Nationwide primaries done by RCP. Up until October, it seemed like he was a solid fourth place, with the frontrunners clearly being Clinton, Bredesen, and Obama. The moment information came out to about his extramarital affair due to the National Enquirer sticking its nose where it didn't belong, his campaign had been on a downward spiral. Sure, he was still polling well in Iowa, but Joe Biden was leading him both nationally and in New Hampshire, though neither were close to the frontrunners at all.

What was worse for him is that this scandal not only severely harmed his standings in the Primaries, but it also didn't bode well for the possibility of being a running mate or being appointed in the Democratic Cabinet. He rubbed his face in a rough fashion. Why couldn't the media just stop talking about this? Now he knew how Lott felt when the Internet came at him for his little slip-up last year. Hell, now he felt the same that Bill did in the midst of Monica. This blatant tabloidism was going to be harmful for any candidate.

The good thing was that most of his supporters were going to Bredesen or Obama. It was one of those two or bust, really. He just didn't prefer Clinton as much as he preferred . ANd Bredesen was able to negotiate that the Michigan and Florida Primaries would be held on the same day on February 7th in November. That was the sign of a great compromiser. He would stay in until South Carolina. Depending on how well he well he did there, he would either stay in or drop out. One thing was a fact, however : This primary was going to be tight.



Source : https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/

DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY AVERAGES, DECEMBER 21ST, 2007

NATIONAL


SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON OF NEW YORK : 29.7 %
GOVERNOR PHIL BREDESEN OF TENNESSEE : 28.5 %
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA OF ILLINOIS : 25.9 %
SENATOR JOE BIDEN OF DELAWARE : 9.2 %
FORMER SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS OF NORTH CAROLINA : 4.6 %
Others : 2.1 %

IOWA

SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON OF NEW YORK : 30.4 %
GOVERNOR PHIL BREDESEN OF TENNESSEE : 29.9 %
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA OF ILLINOIS : 27.3 %
FORMER SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS OF NORTH CAROLINA : 8.6 %
SENATOR JOE BIDEN OF DELAWARE : 2.2 %
Others : 1.6 %

NEW HAMPSHIRE

SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON OF NEW YORK : 27.8 %
GOVERNOR PHIL BREDESEN OF TENNESSEE : 27.3 %
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA OF ILLINOIS : 27.1 %
SENATOR JOE BIDEN OF DELAWARE : 11.4 %
FORMER SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS OF NORTH CAROLINA : 4.5 %
Others : 1.9 %



What does everyone think of this TL so far? Any suggestions to give me?

btw, that poll is open to two more voters before I close it, so it's first come first serve. Just ask me for the link here or message me for it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2019, 03:00:13 PM »

I wanna see Hillary exploding with rage behind closed doors.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2019, 03:12:11 PM »

I wanna see Hillary exploding with rage behind closed doors.


Dw, I intend for that to be shown soon. You want that poll?
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2019, 07:17:26 PM »
« Edited: August 21, 2019, 07:47:05 PM by Daddy Haslam for Sen, 2020 »

I was able to get the 10 votes for these choices. They won't be announced until both parties have a Nominee. Next Update is soon. It's Iowa.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2019, 09:01:12 PM »


"Reminder, these are early results, but Bredesen has a strong lead over Senators Obama and Clinton. With 3% of precincts reporting, Bredesen has 39 % to Obama's 27%, Clinton's 19 %, and Edwards' 12 %. If this lead continues, Bredesen could win the first caucus state and the first state holding a primary this year. A big win for the Tennessee Governor." Wolf Blitzer announced. The New York Senator gave a brief but loud sigh. She was behind Obama by 8 %, who was behind Bredesen by 12 %. It didn't look good for her in Iowa. Still, with only 3 % in, there was hope for a Clinton victory there yet.

Hours later, the team was watching the screen closely. Bredesen's lead had significantly lessened and now Obama, Edwards, and Herself were within striking distance with 63 % in. "63 % is in and it looks like Bredesen's night still, with him leading 25.7 % to Edwards' 24.9 %, Clinton's 24.1 %, and Obama's 23.2 %." Hillary looked at the results for the Republican Primary. As expect, Huckabee won. 36 % to Romney's 20 %, Gilmore's 15 %, Thompson's 6 %, and everyone else's numbers scattered. She was surprised at how well the former Virginia Governor was doing. Maybe he was a stronger candidate than suspected?

"Hillary, Des Moines is almost maxed Out." Her husband, former President Bill Clinton notified and she nodded.

"What's the status?"

"Bredesen's in first, but us and Obama are neck and neck!"

'Damn! was her thought. To think, a Governor from the state of her husband's VP and a political newbie was leading her in the first state of the nation. Wasn't it a few months ago that she had a commanding lead over everyone? Maybe she shouldn't have taken the Nomination for granted. She chewed her lip as she continued to watch the screen, hoping to eagerly win the state after being behind for so long.

Hours later, the state had almost completely closed up shop, all but a handful of precincts were reporting in and it wasn't looking good for the Senator. She was currently in fourth and if nothing changed quickly, then..."It is 11.43 PM EST and with 97 % of the vote in, we can now make a special projection."


"That is right. We at CNN can now project that Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen will win the state of Iowa, now with 98 % of the vote reporting, with 28.5 % of the vote to Barack Obama's surprise second place with 24.2 %, Edwards' close third with 23.8 %, and Clinton's distant fourth with 20.7 %. Bredesen will take home 20 Delegates, Obama 15, Edwards 6, and Clinton 5. A great night for the Bredesen and Obama camps but a night of intense thinking, as well as planning for New Hampshire, will be at the Clinton camp, very likely." Goddamnit! She was so close to winning this state only a few hours ago and now, she lost. Last night,she had a 9 % lead over Bredesen and here she was, losing to him by 7.8 %. Fate was so unkind to her.

She calmed herself with a shaking breath, letting her little fuel of anger fade from her. Wolf Blitzer was right, New Hampshire was still wide open and if she won there, then her candidacy wasn't completely dead in the water. "Well," She began as her staff looked nervously at her, expecting the fiery anger she had been known for, "I suppose we have to give a speech to my supporters in a few minutes. Once I return, I believe it's time we put focus on New Hampshire and make ourselves..." She looked at Bill and winked, "...the comeback girl." Everyone nodded and Hillary left the room, ready to give a speech to her supporters that while she may have lost Iowa, her candidacy was far from over.



DEMOCRATIC IOWA CAUCUSES RESULTS



REPUBLICAN IOWA CAUCUSES RESULTS



CURRENT DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE COUNT

GOVERNOR PHIL BREDESEN OF TENNESSEE : 20

SENATOR BARACK OBAMA OF ILLINOIS : 15

FORMER SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS OF NORTH CAROLINA : 6

SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON OF NEW YORK : 4



CURRENT REPUBLICAN DELEGATE COUNT

FORMER GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE OF ARKANSAS : 12

FORMER GOVERNOR JIM GILMORE OF VIRGINIA : 10

FORMER GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY OF MASSACHUSETTS : 4

FORMER SENATOR FRED THOMPSON : 3

REPRESENTATIVE RON PAUL OF TEXAS : 2

SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN OF ARIZONA : 2

FORMER MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI OF NEW YORK : 1



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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2019, 09:43:32 PM »

Big loss for Clinton. Coming in last in Iowa is not a good sign for her campaign. I am guessing that Obama is going to be Bredesen's main competitor in the future.
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