Progressives Only: Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren

[Donerail]

Bernie, it's not close, and Warren is not my second choice.

Out of interest who is? De Vladimir? Yang? Gabbard?

At this point? Inslee. Disappointingly reasonable, I know.

[beesley]

Bernie, it's not close, and Warren is not my second choice.

Out of interest who is? De Vladimir? Yang? Gabbard?

At this point? Inslee. Disappointingly reasonable, I know.

Nothing wrong wth supporting the best candidate in the field

Go Inslee!

[RFK Jr.’s Brain Worm]

Bernie, it's not close, and Warren is not my second choice.

Out of interest who is? De Vladimir? Yang? Gabbard?

At this point? Inslee. Disappointingly reasonable, I know.

Nothing wrong with supporting the best candidate in the field

He’s my second pick, after Beto.

[Gass3268]

Warren

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

 the one that doesn't keep repeating their talking points from 3 years ago

[Wells]

Sanders, because of his consistency.

[Gracile]

Both are inferior to a certain recently dropped out progressive candidate.

[Sirius_]

Not progressive but if made to choose Warren easily.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Whichever one has a better chance at winning the nomination when my state comes up for the primary.

That said, if both are polling equally, Warren.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Warren. She is better at articulating and selling the policies that they both mutually espouse.

[Hammy]

Neither

[RaphaelDLG]

Bernie, it's not close, and Warren is not my second choice.

Out of interest who is? De Vladimir? Yang? Gabbard?

At this point? Inslee. Disappointingly reasonable, I know.

Nothing wrong with supporting the best candidate in the field

He’s my second pick, after Beto.

Interesting that your top two are the best and arguably the worst on climate change (not counting hickenlooper)

[RFK Jr.’s Brain Worm]

Bernie, it's not close, and Warren is not my second choice.

Out of interest who is? De Vladimir? Yang? Gabbard?

At this point? Inslee. Disappointingly reasonable, I know.

Nothing wrong with supporting the best candidate in the field

He’s my second pick, after Beto.

Interesting that your top two are the best and arguably the worst on climate change (not counting hickenlooper)

Inslee is my second because of his executive experience as well as climate change. Beto is my top because I think he’d be the best against Trump (IMHO). I’m also not sure that I’d call Beto bad on climate change.

[SInNYC]

On domestic policy, you can make a progressive case for both, especially if you are sold on Warren's I have a plan theme. But on foreign policy, its Sanders by a mile from the progressive viewpoint.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Both are inferior to a certain recently dropped out progressive candidate.

Yeah, I miss Eric Swalwell

[Hermit For Peace]

The one who didn't put pronouns in their Twitter profile and wasn't dumb enough to release DNA tests in response to Trump trolling them over an insanely f[inks]ing stupid non-issue.

Compared to the thousands of bad things Trump has said and done, Warren has this one questionable thing going on, and you point it out. And as you say, it's an "insanely ... stupid non-issue". So why not give it a rest?

It is so true that females have to try more than twice as hard to get elected to high positions in our country or to achieve top jobs in companies and so on.... Warren is fighting her butt off with all her plans and all her fire and drive, while Biden struts around trying to skate on Obama's coattails, inspiring no one on the planet.

Bernie does inspire people but he is NOT going to get the nomination. Let's face it.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The one who didn't put pronouns in their Twitter profile and wasn't dumb enough to release DNA tests in response to Trump trolling them over an insanely f[inks]ing stupid non-issue.

Compared to the thousands of bad things Trump has said and done, Warren has this one questionable thing going on, and you point it out. And as you say, it's an "insanely ... stupid non-issue". So why not give it a rest?

It is so true that females have to try more than twice as hard to get elected to high positions in our country or to achieve top jobs in companies and so on.... Warren is fighting her butt off with all her plans and all her fire and drive, while Biden struts around trying to skate on Obama's coattails, inspiring no one on the planet.

Bernie does inspire people but he is NOT going to get the nomination. Let's face it.

I pointed it out because the question is Sanders vs. Warren, not Trump vs. Warren. Obviously i would vote for her over Trump.

But the issue isn't her supposed ancestry claim but her reaction to it. She totally took Trump's bait which was really really dumb. She should've just ignored him.

Bernie just attacks Trump on how he sucks and ignores his bait. That's why I prefer Bernie.

[Lourdes]

Bernie Sanders.

[Hermit For Peace]

The one who didn't put pronouns in their Twitter profile and wasn't dumb enough to release DNA tests in response to Trump trolling them over an insanely f[inks]ing stupid non-issue.

Compared to the thousands of bad things Trump has said and done, Warren has this one questionable thing going on, and you point it out. And as you say, it's an "insanely ... stupid non-issue". So why not give it a rest?

It is so true that females have to try more than twice as hard to get elected to high positions in our country or to achieve top jobs in companies and so on.... Warren is fighting her butt off with all her plans and all her fire and drive, while Biden struts around trying to skate on Obama's coattails, inspiring no one on the planet.

Bernie does inspire people but he is NOT going to get the nomination. Let's face it.

I pointed it out because the question is Sanders vs. Warren, not Trump vs. Warren. Obviously i would vote for her over Trump.

But the issue isn't her supposed ancestry claim but her reaction to it. She totally took Trump's bait which was really really dumb. She should've just ignored him.

Bernie just attacks Trump on how he sucks and ignores his bait. That's why I prefer Bernie.

I guess she could have handled that situation better, but she didn't, and it's only one small thing. She learns and grows and moves on. Bernie is too loud and monotonous for my taste. But of course, if by some miracle he received the nomination, I'd vote for him. But what really grates on me about him is that he isn't even a Democrat. Where does his loyalty lie?

[Crumpets]

As much as I imagine some might try to claim otherwise, I consider myself a progressive, and it's an easy choice of Warren for me.

[DK_Mo82]

I like Bernie better but either would be good and re focus the Democrats party on working people. I like Biden too but his time clearly has passed and these two make for the best nominees. I think Bernie would have better chance at actually beating Trump but who knows.

[NOVA Green]

As a self-identified Progressive (Included in my 2nd Atlas name/sub-name(?) Oregon Progressive), who will definitely vote in the 2020 DEM Primary in either Oregon or possibly Southern California if a job offer materializes to mutual satisfaction....

I would pick Bernie over Warren in a binary contest....  (Obviously by the time the Oregon '20 primary gets around the field will likely be way way smaller, vs California where I would imagine most of the current contenders will be on the ballot when early voting starts around the same time as the Iowa caucuses.

I switched my avatar from Green to Democrat at some point around the time of the 2008 Democratic Primary.

I switched my avatar from Democrat to Socialist right after the Election of Donald Trump.

I haven't located my exact quote, but it was something to the effect that NOVA GREEN's avatar would remain Socialist, until the Democrats nominated a solidly progressive candidate for President that represented the economic interests of working-class Americans, as well as progressive foreign policy position.

Although honestly, I've warmed up a bit to Warren (As has my wife as well) on some of her policy positions, it still feels in many ways like she is "Bernie Lite", both in style and substance.

Regardless of that, why would I back a Democratic Primary Nominee who essentially has no real long-time background in supporting progressive movement activities, other than perhaps in some part of academia.

Bernie was directly involved in political activism, including Civil Disobedience at the University of Chicago as a Civil Rights and Anti-Vietnam War activist student leader of CORE and SNCC starting in '62.

After a stint of working as a writer and manager of the Eugene Debs Historical Society in the '70s, he became mayor of Burlington Vermont for a decade before being elected as the US-VT-AL representative in the US House.

Where I am going with this is there has been an extremely lengthy and consistent history going back some 57 Years, even in political environments where his progressive policy positions have been considered generally unpopular.

Additionally, had it not been for Bernie Sander's '2016 Presidential Campaign, I doubt that the Democratic Party debate on items such Universal Health Care and College for All, would be anywhere close to where they are today, to the point that the vast majority of current DEM primary contenders essentially support variations on "HOW" to implement these types of policies and not "SHOULD"....

Although, I like the fact that Warren has devoted roughly the past (24) Years towards issues such as Bankruptcy Protection and Financial/Banking Sector Reform (and is a verifiable expert on these subjects), these issues are peripheral to me, simply because, like many working-class Americans, we don't have enough financial assets on the table to have a stake in the system, and bread and butter issues like minimum wage increases, cost of health insurance, a tax structure that is overwhelmingly geared towards the money bags at the top, while we get no pay raises.

I would happily support a Bernie-Warren ticket, and regardless of which of these two Progressive Democrats win the Democratic Nomination will vote Democratic in the General Election for President, and encourage family and extended family to do likewise....

Assuming Trump wins the Republican nomination, I would vote for any "Yellow Dawg" that gets the nod.....

Now if it's a Weld vs Williamson race, might need to think about that a bit more.



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[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Bernie is winning NH, he can IA; as a result winning NV, this will hurt Biden.  Iowa and NV are caucuses and eventhough Bernie lost them in 2016, he can win them against Wobbly frontrunner Biden. Exit polls showed in 2016, Bernie did better than Hilary in MI, WI and PA, first polls released out of these three showed him winning them

[Beet]

Although, I like the fact that Warren has devoted roughly the past (24) Years towards issues such as Bankruptcy Protection and Financial/Banking Sector Reform (and is a verifiable expert on these subjects), these issues are peripheral to me, simply because, like many working-class Americans, we don't have enough financial assets on the table to have a stake in the system, and bread and butter issues like minimum wage increases, cost of health insurance, a tax structure that is overwhelmingly geared towards the money bags at the top, while we get no pay raises.

Mind you, Warren's interest in Household Finance precedes her interest in Financial/Banking Sector Reform and defined her approach to Bankruptcy Protection as well. She began working on this issue with Jay Westbrook, her collaborator in As We Forgive Our Debtors when she began teaching at UT Law in 1981. By the mid-1980s she was writing strong arguments against the conservative Law and Economics movement and its tendency to put theoretical economics over the empirical study of households and their situations. But the subject is highly personal for her as it ultimately derives from her childhood experience of her father's heart attack in 1961 and her mother's entry into the workforce. You can see this in her work throughout her career, like in The Two Income Trap, where she points out that single income households have a reserve worker that can pick up the slack.

For Warren, the Household is the unit of the economy and its financial condition is the prism by which she examines the economy more broadly. The 2004 video of her explaining the mechanism of the 2008 financial crisis, you see her framing it in terms of Household Finance. And her policies are built around this frame as well. The biggest household expense is Housing, so she released an aggressive housing plan early. In addition to Healthcare, which already gets a lot of attention, Childcare and Education are huge expenses, and she released detailed plans on those early as well. On the income side? When asked why she's running for president she says because a single minimum wage job is not enough to support a family. This approach of focusing on the micro and personal and expanding out from there is her signature.

[GlobeSoc]

Warren's foreign policy and possibility of getting more democratic backbenchers to vote for her plans are things i like

Sanders' doctrine of political organization resonates with me though and i think he'd be somewhat more likely to get elected and improve the downballot, even if he would do less with a congressional majority than warren

ultimately sanders, but warren is 2 and i'd be happy with either