Romanian Elections&Politics (Presidential election-type event: May 4th/GEORGESCU ARRESTED)

[RGM2609]

Georgescu being a terrible person with shady connections is beyond any question. But the government prosecuting him is just as bad, perhaps even worse due to all the power they are using illicitly.

What I take issue with is not Georgescu being prosecuted (through again, they don't seem to have any hard evidence to back their bewildering claims, just like when they cancelled the election), but that this will be used to ban him from running for President and thus essentially destroy Romania's democracy.

[RGM2609]

Agreed, however on the other hand Romania and the West are at war with Russia (or should be) and in war sometimes you have to do horrible things to ensure your side wins.

If this is the true stake of this conflict, this PSD government should be its first casualty, considering it consistently aided the "enemy" until November, drove the people so mad that they are willing to vote in an absolute lunatic, and generally single-handedly rose Georgescu from 0% to 40% in just 3 months. This could have been over with President Lasconi back in December, but they don't really give a  about Russia or EU or "democracy".

[CumbrianLefty]

I see that Georgescu did an absolutely totally *not* Nazi salute earlier today.

<sigh>

[RGM2609]

I see that Georgescu did an absolutely totally *not* Nazi salute earlier today.

<sigh>

Him and Bannon and the other idiots are only doing this sh**t to get attention, which is a seemingly successful strategy as he's all over international media now. Don't indulge them

[Open Source Intelligence]

Georgescu arrested.

An event like this to me is what could be the Archduke Ferdinand of the linchpin that causes a broader multinational war.

We have internal political turmoil now in South Korea and Romania. Civil war out of situations like this is easy to see in multiple places, then you throw in outside actors that are coming to protect “peace” and the one side they see as “right” according to their worldview.

[RGM2609]

Romania has been downgraded to a "hybrid regime" in the 2024 Democracy Index published by The Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) on Thursday, February 27. Its score dropped from 6.45 to 5.99, pushing it out of the "flawed democracy" category and down 12 places to rank 72nd globally, between Moldova and Papua New Guinea.

https://www.romania-insider.com/romania-hybrid-regime-democracy-index-2024

[RGM2609]

Romanian citizens have reacted with a mixture of anger and relief to the Constitutional Court's decision to annul the results of the first round of the November 24 presidential elections and to cancel the second round, scheduled for December 8. In a poorly reasoned decision, with no solid evidence to support its conclusions, the court claimed that foreign meddling on social media had influenced the outcome of the elections.

The first round had been won by two anti-establishment candidates who managed to overtake representatives of the ruling parties, which had become extremely unpopular. The court's decision to annul the elections, based on unclear reports of Russian electoral interference, is an exceptional measure, especially as the evidence presented is questionable at best.

The claim that the voters of the right-wing candidate, outsider Călin Georgescu, were massively influenced by a TikTok campaign is hard to believe, especially given the social profile of his supporters, most of whom are elderly rural voters who get their information from TV stations dominated by the ruling parties.

Later, evidence emerged that the ruling National Liberal Party (PNL) funded the social media campaign in favor of Georgescu in a tactical move that backfired.

This scandal will only further erode the extremely low trust of Romanian citizens in the government and political parties.

[Epaminondas]

Presidential frontrunner Calin Georgescu was arrested today by the General Prosecutor's Office:
https://www.bgnes.com/politics/calin-georgescu-was-detained-by-the-general-prosecutor-s-office-of-romania

The mafia state isn't calming down

Justice being served.

I normally don't demand blocking people from commenting on threads, even uninformed dumb Americans lecturing on European politics, but in this case...

Yet Kakyo is completely right on this occasion. There's a reason Brazil is now a superior democracy to the USA, and Romania is evidently following the former's example rather than the latter.

Bad-faith fascistic actors like Georgescu must be removed from the democratic process, as a solid minority of voters have proven time after time to have a goldfish memory of the damage caused every time by populist right-wing governments who promise them the moon.

[RGM2609]

Presidential frontrunner Calin Georgescu was arrested today by the General Prosecutor's Office:
https://www.bgnes.com/politics/calin-georgescu-was-detained-by-the-general-prosecutor-s-office-of-romania

The mafia state isn't calming down

Justice being served.

I normally don't demand blocking people from commenting on threads, even uninformed dumb Americans lecturing on European politics, but in this case...

Yet Kakyo is completely right on this occasion. There's a reason Brazil is now a superior democracy to the USA, and Romania is evidently following the former's example rather than the latter.

Bad-faith fascistic actors like Georgescu must be removed from the democratic process, as a solid minority of voters have proven time after time to have a goldfish memory of the damage caused every time by populist right-wing governments who promise them the moon.

Alright, let's go in depth. For what exactly is "justice" being served? What deeds did Georgescu commit and what evidence was presented to prove them?

I...well, can't say I can't wait because it will be terrible, but I am curious to see your reactions once PSD realigns with the far-right within this parliamentary term.

[Epaminondas]

I can't wait because it will be terrible, but I am curious to see your reactions once PSD realigns with the far-right within this parliamentary term.

As opposed to ushering in the far-right immediately at every level immedately, by allowing the outrage machine to dominate political discourse? Georgescu has accepted financial and logistical support from anti-democratic foreign agents (Russia & co) seeking to destroy the fabric of European welfare.
If it can't be stopped, so be it, but it can be delayed by at least one election by banning him. He doesn't need to be guilty under criminal law, standards for being a national leader should be higher.

If you are oblivious to this, good on you for being successful enough not to be affected by the ramifications.
Thankfully the Supreme Court knew better than to wait it out until another Trump/Orban acolyte turns Romania into another backsliding dystopia.

[RGM2609]

I can't wait because it will be terrible, but I am curious to see your reactions once PSD realigns with the far-right within this parliamentary term.

As opposed to ushering in the far-right immediately at every level immedately, by allowing the outrage machine to dominate political discourse? Georgescu has accepted financial and logistical support from anti-democratic foreign agents (Russia & co) seeking to destroy the fabric of European welfare.
If it can't be stopped, so be it, but it can be delayed by at least one election by banning him. He doesn't need to be guilty under criminal law, standards for being a national leader should be higher.

If you are oblivious to this, good on you for being successful enough not to be affected by the ramifications.
Thankfully the Supreme Court knew better than to wait it out until another Trump/Orban acolyte turns Romania into another backsliding dystopia.

Funny how you don't really address the question of what actions specifically did Georgescu commit which can be proven. Or you just want him banned because you don't like him?

You don't want Romania to turn into a backsliding democracy huh? They cancelled an election without evidence of foul play because they didn't like the results! It can't turn into a backsliding dystopia because it already is. You think the US Supreme Court is bad? Wait until you hear of the Romanian Conatitutional Court. I graduated from law school and I happen to know a bit of the system (no expert by any means), and I can confidently tell you Putin's kangaroo courts at least pretend to follow the law. They casually contradict themselves in their decisions, they are incompetent party appartnicks put in office to follow the mafia's directions. Their ex-president was a lathe operator before he was "found" by PSD.

[CumbrianLefty]

Presidential frontrunner Calin Georgescu was arrested today by the General Prosecutor's Office:
https://www.bgnes.com/politics/calin-georgescu-was-detained-by-the-general-prosecutor-s-office-of-romania

The mafia state isn't calming down

Justice being served.

I normally don't demand blocking people from commenting on threads, even uninformed dumb Americans lecturing on European politics, but in this case...

Yet Kakyo is completely right on this occasion. There's a reason Brazil is now a superior democracy to the USA, and Romania is evidently following the former's example rather than the latter.

Bad-faith fascistic actors like Georgescu must be removed from the democratic process, as a solid minority of voters have proven time after time to have a goldfish memory of the damage caused every time by populist right-wing governments who promise them the moon.

This is the real problem isn't it. And the only real solution is utterly smashing the Putinist/Bannonist international disinformation nexus - and their billionaire techbro fascist enablers.

[RGM2609]

Presidential frontrunner Calin Georgescu was arrested today by the General Prosecutor's Office:
https://www.bgnes.com/politics/calin-georgescu-was-detained-by-the-general-prosecutor-s-office-of-romania

The mafia state isn't calming down

Justice being served.

I normally don't demand blocking people from commenting on threads, even uninformed dumb Americans lecturing on European politics, but in this case...

Yet Kakyo is completely right on this occasion. There's a reason Brazil is now a superior democracy to the USA, and Romania is evidently following the former's example rather than the latter.

Bad-faith fascistic actors like Georgescu must be removed from the democratic process, as a solid minority of voters have proven time after time to have a goldfish memory of the damage caused every time by populist right-wing governments who promise them the moon.

This is the real problem isn't it. And the only real solution is utterly smashing the Putinist/Bannonist international disinformation nexus - and their billionaire techbro fascist enablers.

This may be the case in the West, but here, this problem was easily avoidable. Romanians really don't have putinist views aside from a relatively small minority.

[CumbrianLefty]

Presidential frontrunner Calin Georgescu was arrested today by the General Prosecutor's Office:
https://www.bgnes.com/politics/calin-georgescu-was-detained-by-the-general-prosecutor-s-office-of-romania

The mafia state isn't calming down

Justice being served.

I normally don't demand blocking people from commenting on threads, even uninformed dumb Americans lecturing on European politics, but in this case...

Yet Kakyo is completely right on this occasion. There's a reason Brazil is now a superior democracy to the USA, and Romania is evidently following the former's example rather than the latter.

Bad-faith fascistic actors like Georgescu must be removed from the democratic process, as a solid minority of voters have proven time after time to have a goldfish memory of the damage caused every time by populist right-wing governments who promise them the moon.

This is the real problem isn't it. And the only real solution is utterly smashing the Putinist/Bannonist international disinformation nexus - and their billionaire techbro fascist enablers.

This may be the case in the West, but here, this problem was easily avoidable. Romanians really don't have putinist views aside from a relatively small minority.

Though surely the more relevant point here is that Georgescu was/is Russia's preferred candidate?

[RGM2609]

Presidential frontrunner Calin Georgescu was arrested today by the General Prosecutor's Office:
https://www.bgnes.com/politics/calin-georgescu-was-detained-by-the-general-prosecutor-s-office-of-romania

The mafia state isn't calming down

Justice being served.

I normally don't demand blocking people from commenting on threads, even uninformed dumb Americans lecturing on European politics, but in this case...

Yet Kakyo is completely right on this occasion. There's a reason Brazil is now a superior democracy to the USA, and Romania is evidently following the former's example rather than the latter.

Bad-faith fascistic actors like Georgescu must be removed from the democratic process, as a solid minority of voters have proven time after time to have a goldfish memory of the damage caused every time by populist right-wing governments who promise them the moon.

This is the real problem isn't it. And the only real solution is utterly smashing the Putinist/Bannonist international disinformation nexus - and their billionaire techbro fascist enablers.

This may be the case in the West, but here, this problem was easily avoidable. Romanians really don't have putinist views aside from a relatively small minority.

Though surely the more relevant point here is that Georgescu was/is Russia's preferred candidate?

He is, just like the other far-right options (Simion, Sosoaca) were at one point, and like other like-minded candidates throughout Europe. Their agenda is to Russia's advantage, that is for sure. However, there is little concrete evidence that Russia's involvement was any greater than simple wishes of success. It probably was, but nobody was able to produce the kind of proof required to justify the government's abuses. The only "concrete" evidence of Russian interference was a TikTok campaign that within weeks turned out to have been funded by PNL.

[RGM2609]

Verifield poll -
Georgescu - 46%
Antonescu - 21%
Dan - 14%
Lasconi - 8%

MKOR poll (with Bolojan) -
Georgescu - 44%
Bolojan - 15%
Dan - 14%
Antonescu - 9%
Lasconi - 9%

The election cancelation was a sign of true genius from the government, that's for sure. Desperate efforts are being made to draw in Acting President Bolojan to the race, who seems to be the only one able to unite both the government supporters and urban liberals around him in a second round against Georgescu. Even President-Elect Lasconi said she would withdraw in his favor. However, PSD stands firmly in the way... The next two days will be exciting!

[Open Source Intelligence]

Romania detained six on charges of plotting to overthrow the state and raided the home of a 101-year-old ex-general linked to a group called the "Vlad the Impaler Command". Russia's military attaché was declared persona non grata.

The old general is Gen. Radu Theodoru, Ret.

The two Russians evicted from the Russian embassy were Victor Makovskiy and Evgeni Ignatiev.

http://www.centraleuropeantimes.com/2025/03/romania-probes-pro-russian-presidential-candidate-as-six-arrested-for-coup-plot/

[RGM2609]

BREAKING - Georgescu's candidacy was rejected by the Electoral Bureau. In May there won't be an election, there'll be an election-type event.

[KakyoinMemeHouse]

A great day for democracy in Romania.

Anti-democratic Russian puppets shouldn't be allowed to seize control of any country.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

[rob in cal]

Next question is can a candidate with Georgescu political positioning but minus any legal vulnerability, be allowed on the ballot.

[Steve from Lambeth]

Next question is can a candidate with Georgescu political positioning but minus any legal vulnerability, be allowed on the ballot.

Who and where is Mrs Georgescu? This trick seemed to work for the Belarusian opposition in 2020...

[RGM2609]

Chaos in Romania’s capital after far-right Calin Georgescu barred from presidential redo

Chaos broke out in Romania’s capital Sunday evening as incensed supporters of the far-right populist Calin Georgescu protested the electoral body’s decision to reject his candidacy in a presidential election redo. He won the first round of last year’s race before a top court annulled the election.

Hundreds of protesters gathered outside BEC’s headquarters to express anger over its decision, with many waving Romanian flags and chanting: “The last resort is another revolution!” Some protesters threw broken paving stones and other objects at the scores of riot police dispatched to the area, overturned a news vehicle, and set a bush ablaze.

[RGM2609]

Who and where is Mrs Georgescu? This trick seemed to work for the Belarusian opposition in 2020...

I am so glad you asked.

Cristela Georgescu is the wife of Călin Georgescu, the independent candidate in the 2024 presidential elections. She is the author of several educational programs dedicated to families, a holistic practitioner and educator, according to information available on her website.

Cristela Georgescu specializes in "natural health, integrative nutrition, detoxification and cellular regeneration, clinical iridology, energy balancing therapies". She has written the books "Diversification, plain and simple", "Simple. Nourishing Verses" and is co-author of "Don't Feed Cancer".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7fSAXdXBc

https://www.instagram.com/cristela.georgescu/reel/C_LAVB8on99/

[RGM2609]

I've been sick ( the flu), but here is the latest abuse in short:

The Electoral Bureau doesn't have the jurisdiction to rule on anything other than the files submitted in order to run by a candidate. And when they voted to reject his candidacy, they seem to have relied on a signature missing from some random document in the file (probably done on purpose as bait, but that's another discussion). However, when they had to justify the decision, they forgot the technicalities, and point-blank said they were tossing him out because the Constitutional Court had canceled the previous election due to him. So it all goes back to the judicial coup back in December, for which the justifying evidence is...well, it is but it really isn't.