Romanian Elections&Politics (Presidential election-type event: May 4th/GEORGESCU ARRESTED)

[Calgacus]

https://snoop.ro/anaf-a-descoperit-ca-pnl-a-platit-o-campanie-care-l-a-promovat-masiv-pe-calin-georgescu-pe-tiktok/

"ANAF discovered that PNL paid for a campaign that massively promoted Călin Georgescu on TikTok"

https://twitter.com/sopjap/status/1870772015872741846

[jaichind]

 

https://twitter.com/sopjap/status/1870772015872741846

This is similar to the standard USA Dem tactic of targeting the most pro-MAGA candidates in GOP primaries with attack ads that tie them to Trump knowing that this will most likely boost their chances and make it easier for the Dems to defeat in the general election.  This worked fairly well for the Dems in 2022.

[Flyersfan232]

so what now?

[crals]

So the deep state theory was correct except that it was the PNL's doing rather than the PSD's? This is very confusing.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So the deep state theory was correct except that it was the PNL's doing rather than the PSD's? This is very confusing.

Well all of the more established parties are at least a little sketchy and have roots in The Old Days, not just the one founded by Ion Iliescu.

[Nhoj]

To be honest, the voting patterns looked more like PNL Loan votes than PSD from the get-go. Now if Regards here hadn't chased RGM off he could perhaps have better insights about that than I.

[#UnbanTender]

Guess who's back, back again
https://twitter.com/paulaerizanu/status/1871146726897197287

[Lexii]

So, the endgame of this whole thing was a unified establishment grand coalition to screw over both the reformists and the far right

[CumbrianLefty]

So, the endgame of this whole thing was a unified establishment grand coalition to screw over both the reformists and the far right

Maybe otherwise known as "kicking the can down the road for a bit".

[100% pro-choice no matter what]

Do we have any polling since the election was annulled?

[MRCVzla]

Do we have any polling since the election was annulled?

Very early to tell as the list of potential candidates who showed intention to stand is not clear yet, the new Presidential election is very likely to be held "before Easter" (between March-April) and much things can happen until that. It's not clear if Georgescu will be disqualified or not and how united the nationalist far-right space will be, as well if this "unity candidature" of Antonescu will work at least to get into the runoff. Lasconi will def run but could face competition within the liberal centre-right spectre as Bucharest mayor and USR founder Nicușor Dan announced their intention to run as Independent.

[🥥🌴]

We need moderators to do a takeover of this thread from RGM's hands.

Now, he's suddenly quiet. He framed it as a coup but it is his side that literally funded millions of euros for a fascists campaign.

[RGM2609]

We need moderators to do a takeover of this thread from RGM's hands.

Now, he's suddenly quiet. He framed it as a coup but it is his side that literally funded millions of euros for a fascists campaign.

Only a functional illiterate like you could take this discovery, that one of the strongest arguments used by the mafia government to cancel the election (this exact TikTok campaign being supposedly Russia's) was a complete lie, and then claim it disproves the points I've been making. Never change buddy!

[CumbrianLefty]

Well, at least that got you out of hibernation

[Dereich]

We need moderators to do a takeover of this thread from RGM's hands.

Now, he's suddenly quiet. He framed it as a coup but it is his side that literally funded millions of euros for a fascists campaign.

How does one read this thread and come away thinking that PNL is "his side"?

[Octowakandi]

We need moderators to do a takeover of this thread from RGM's hands.

Now, he's suddenly quiet. He framed it as a coup but it is his side that literally funded millions of euros for a fascists campaign.

Bro, get the coconut tree out of your username. Just sad at this point.

[Come the avarice]

We need moderators to do a takeover of this thread from RGM's hands.

Now, he's suddenly quiet. He framed it as a coup but it is his side that literally funded millions of euros for a fascists campaign.

Only a functional illiterate like you could take this discovery, that one of the strongest arguments used by the mafia government to cancel the election (this exact TikTok campaign being supposedly Russia's) was a complete lie, and then claim it disproves the points I've been making. Never change buddy!

Calling Russia's involvement in this a "complete lie" is laughable. PNL is corrupt so their involvement is believable, but Occam's Razor would indicate a pro-Russia hack would certainly get some intervention from a malicious government known for widespread internet trolling worldwide.

You'd have to be Flyersfan232-levels of clueless to not acknowledge that as a probability.

[RGM2609]

We need moderators to do a takeover of this thread from RGM's hands.

Now, he's suddenly quiet. He framed it as a coup but it is his side that literally funded millions of euros for a fascists campaign.

Only a functional illiterate like you could take this discovery, that one of the strongest arguments used by the mafia government to cancel the election (this exact TikTok campaign being supposedly Russia's) was a complete lie, and then claim it disproves the points I've been making. Never change buddy!

Calling Russia's involvement in this a "complete lie" is laughable. PNL is corrupt so their involvement is believable, but Occam's Razor would indicate a pro-Russia hack would certainly get some intervention from a malicious government known for widespread internet trolling worldwide.

You'd have to be Flyersfan232-levels of clueless to not acknowledge that as a probability.

I didn't call Russia's involvement a complete lie, you should read again what I wrote. I said that the mafia government used this exact TikTok campaign, now proven as PNL's, as main evidence of Russian involvement and cancelled the election partially based on this. If that isn't the government completely lying about something I don't know what is.

[#UnbanTender]

A lot of posters here still don't understand that PSD/PNL themselves created Georgescu by promoting him in prime time media spots to block Simion from the runoff. They did not expect that snowball to turn into an avalanche. The Russia stuff did happen but it was secondary to that effort.

[Calgacus]

It's pretty concerning how easily certain "liberal democrats" are willing to totally abandon democracy the second it produces an unpleasant result based on the flimsiest of pretenses. How is it any different than some backwater dictator declaring an election canceled because of "foreign interference"?

[Storr]

I doubt it will have any meaningful effect on voters in the upcoming rescheduled, redo, "Russia ate my homework which I totally completed, so I need four more months to finish it" Presidential election. At best in theory there could be a small boost in turnout from pro-EU voters due to reaching this milestone, but Romania fully joined the Schengen Area once the new year began. Previously only air and sea borders were a part of Schengen, not land borders.

Naturally, locals shared drinks at the Giurgiu-Ruse border checkpoint on the Danube, which forms most of the Bulgaria-Romania border.

[RGM2609]

Just like PSD tried to boost Simion, the PNL leadership also tried to interfere on behalf of other far-right candidates, to lower Simion's score and get Ciuca into the second round. They were even more mistaken, as Ciuca didn't even come close to making it. However, the operations' scale was rather small, as PNL is an empty shell and doesn't come close to PSD's logistical power.

This recent discovery isn't that important on its own. The campaign in question was just a small part of the avalanche of pro-Georgescu content from TikTok, and I don't find it plausible that PNL, which was unable to run its affairs right, managed to make Georgescu the fifth most viral subject in the entire world on the platform.

The reason, however, for this discovery is important is that it was exactly this PNL-funded TikTok campaign that the captured Constitutional Court used as an example of "Russian interference" to justify canceling the election. This means the mafia government doesn't have any proof that Russia interfered with the election, because they don't even know who did (or if they do, they're keeping it under wraps). It is possible, even probable, that it was Russia, but it is still just as likely that some rogue parts of the secret services or of the Western governments are actually behind this.

[RGM2609]

Well, congrats to PSD-PNL for canceling the election! Private polling has begun being conducted, and Georgescu (at least in the two polls I've seen) has over 40% for the first round, with 3 candidates (Antonescu, Dan, Lasconi) statistically tied for second at 10-15%. The second round is a bloodbath no matter who his opponent is. It seems increasingly unlikely the luxury unemployed and career sociopath Crin Antonescu will even make it to the ballot box, as he seems to have caught wind that PSD will not in fact back him and used him as a negotiation tool, and thus his deep state handlers had him "suspend" his candidacy.

At this point, the field is a mess, even as we still don't know on what grounds the election was canceled and as Iohannis is illegally hanging on to power. The election won't even take place until May, or so I'm hearing. For the mafia parties, it seems like Ciolacu will attempt another candidacy, but it remains to be seen whether PNL will accept him or they'll press to stick with Antonescu and find some other puppet. The "reformists" are locked in a huge battle of egos as Nicusor Dan, using Lasconi cozying with PSD between rounds and being generally incompetent, is trying to settle his scores with the ones who took his party from him. For the far-right, it seems clear that Georgescu is the man to rally around (through SOS probably won't), but if he is barred from running by our almighty Constitutional Court, hell breaks loose, as Simion flopped and Sosoaca is also on the Court's blacklist. The two people most likely to replace Georgescu, in that case, are far-right actor Dan Puric and the former Dragnea loyalist turned TV trumpet Anca Alexandrescu, but it's all really unpredictable. And of course, there's also Victor Ponta, clearly up to something, through whether he's trying to be PSD's candidate or run as a "sovereignist" is still unclear.

[jaichind]

Well, congrats to PSD-PNL for canceling the election! Private polling has begun being conducted, and Georgescu (at least in the two polls I've seen) has over 40% for the first round, with 3 candidates (Antonescu, Dan, Lasconi) statistically tied for second at 10-15%. The second round is a bloodbath no matter who his opponent is. It seems increasingly unlikely the luxury unemployed and career sociopath Crin Antonescu will even make it to the ballot box, as he seems to have caught wind that PSD will not in fact back him and used him as a negotiation tool, and thus his deep state handlers had him "suspend" his candidacy.

At this point, the field is a mess, even as we still don't know on what grounds the election was canceled and as Iohannis is illegally hanging on to power. The election won't even take place until May, or so I'm hearing. For the mafia parties, it seems like Ciolacu will attempt another candidacy, but it remains to be seen whether PNL will accept him or they'll press to stick with Antonescu and find some other puppet. The "reformists" are locked in a huge battle of egos as Nicusor Dan, using Lasconi cozying with PSD between rounds and being generally incompetent, is trying to settle his scores with the ones who took his party from him. For the far-right, it seems clear that Georgescu is the man to rally around (through SOS probably won't), but if he is barred from running by our almighty Constitutional Court, hell breaks loose, as Simion flopped and Sosoaca is also on the Court's blacklist. The two people most likely to replace Georgescu, in that case, are far-right actor Dan Puric and the former Dragnea loyalist turned TV trumpet Anca Alexandrescu, but it's all really unpredictable. And of course, there's also Victor Ponta, clearly up to something, through whether he's trying to be PSD's candidate or run as a "sovereignist" is still unclear.

I guess this first with Nixon's dictum "if you hear about a stop X movement, put your money on X"

[RGM2609]

Well, congrats to PSD-PNL for canceling the election! Private polling has begun being conducted, and Georgescu (at least in the two polls I've seen) has over 40% for the first round, with 3 candidates (Antonescu, Dan, Lasconi) statistically tied for second at 10-15%. The second round is a bloodbath no matter who his opponent is. It seems increasingly unlikely the luxury unemployed and career sociopath Crin Antonescu will even make it to the ballot box, as he seems to have caught wind that PSD will not in fact back him and used him as a negotiation tool, and thus his deep state handlers had him "suspend" his candidacy.

At this point, the field is a mess, even as we still don't know on what grounds the election was canceled and as Iohannis is illegally hanging on to power. The election won't even take place until May, or so I'm hearing. For the mafia parties, it seems like Ciolacu will attempt another candidacy, but it remains to be seen whether PNL will accept him or they'll press to stick with Antonescu and find some other puppet. The "reformists" are locked in a huge battle of egos as Nicusor Dan, using Lasconi cozying with PSD between rounds and being generally incompetent, is trying to settle his scores with the ones who took his party from him. For the far-right, it seems clear that Georgescu is the man to rally around (through SOS probably won't), but if he is barred from running by our almighty Constitutional Court, hell breaks loose, as Simion flopped and Sosoaca is also on the Court's blacklist. The two people most likely to replace Georgescu, in that case, are far-right actor Dan Puric and the former Dragnea loyalist turned TV trumpet Anca Alexandrescu, but it's all really unpredictable. And of course, there's also Victor Ponta, clearly up to something, through whether he's trying to be PSD's candidate or run as a "sovereignist" is still unclear.

I guess this first with Nixon's dictum "if you hear about a stop X movement, put your money on X"

It's even better when it originally was "help X" and now they've quickly changed course into "stop X". But I guess it doesn't matter as much now that the government has been appointed, which was the main power of the Presidency.