UK General Discussion: 2019. Blackadder goes Brexit.

[Continential]

Jesus Christ, this parliament is turning the UK into a laughingstock in front of the whole world. Set a date for new elections, the stalemate needs to end.

I don't understand the Liberal Democrats here, even though I'd vote for them.

The Lib Dems is basically Social and Economic Liberals with Conservative Remainders.

[Silent Hunter]

Another Reason why Lib Dems want election on 9th and not on 12th, is because many Students will have gone home to their parents on the 12th and therefore not be present in the Constituency they are domiciled in, and will not be able to vote.

Two words: Postal Vote.

[CumbrianLefty]

Will the Lib Dems get 100 seats or will they get a little bit above Clegg's 2010 seat count?

Or will they actually get significantly less than even that?

[DaWN]

Will the Lib Dems get 100 seats or will they get a little bit above Clegg's 2010 seat count?

I'd be very surprised (and elated) if they got more than Clegg did in 2010

[CumbrianLefty]

Will the Lib Dems get 100 seats or will they get a little bit above Clegg's 2010 seat count?

I'd be very surprised (and elated) if they got more than Clegg did in 2010

That would almost certainly mean (as then) no Tory majority.

[RaphaelDLG]

Who benefits long-term from FPTP in the UK (as opposed to PR), other than obviously SNP and the other regional parties?

[Tintrlvr]

Will the Lib Dems get 100 seats or will they get a little bit above Clegg's 2010 seat count?

I'd be very surprised (and elated) if they got more than Clegg did in 2010

That would almost certainly mean (as then) no Tory majority.

Well, let's hope so.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

No. They actually have principles, and are fighting to ensure the UK never leaves the EU. The real hacks are Labour, who refuse to take a definative position and fight hard to stop the greatest threat to the UK in decades.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Children, children, Labour and the Lib Dems are both soulless coteries of unprincipled slimeballs clawing desperately at scraps of power instead of lifting a finger to help the UK out of this mess! There's plenty to go around!

[Pericles]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

No. They actually have principles, and are fighting to ensure the UK never leaves the EU. The real hacks are Labour, who refuse to take a definative position and fight hard to stop the greatest threat to the UK in decades.

If you want to know why the Tories will probably win, just look at these posts.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The facts are in plain sight. There are two parties that are preparing to give BoJo (more or less) what he wants, and one that isn't.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Oh, no question there. There's plenty of blame to go around. No one is innocent in this story.

[jaichind]

Looks like LAB will back early elections.  The optics of having to go into an election while being against the elections finally broke them.

[DaWN]

Looks like LAB will back early elections.  The optics of having to go into an election while being against the elections finally broke them.

What a complete and utter waste of time this entire charade was then. It's like Corbyn only makes decisions these days that he knows will annoy me personally.

[jaichind]

Now LAB is on board for an election I suspect there will be all sorts of LAB-LDEM-SNP amendments on postal ballots, 16-17 year old voting, EU nationals voting etc etc.  If they do this I suspect it will backfire on them as it would just provoke a massive turnout of the pro-Brexit unwashed.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No one who would be sufficiently annoyed at an extension of the franchise (if successful) to go out and vote because of that annoyance would not have already been sure of going out and voting. Things aren't like that.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Anyway, the amendments don't matter, because there isn't any support from the Tory benches (or the ex-Tory independents) for any expansion of the franchise. They'll just get voted down.

[CumbrianLefty]

Anyway, the amendments don't matter, because there isn't any support from the Tory benches (or the ex-Tory independents) for any expansion of the franchise. They'll just get voted down.

You don't think some of the ex-Tories might actually back enfranchising EU nationals?

(unlike 16-17 year olds, this one would be relatively simple to administer as well)

[PoliticalShelter]

Anyway, the amendments don't matter, because there isn't any support from the Tory benches (or the ex-Tory independents) for any expansion of the franchise. They'll just get voted down.

Plus there is a decent chance that the ammendments will be thrown out by the Deputy Speaker Lindsay Hoyle as it would be a money resoultion (it requires money to extend the franchise) so it would be deemed 'out of scope' for the election bill.

[EastAnglianLefty]

Anyway, the amendments don't matter, because there isn't any support from the Tory benches (or the ex-Tory independents) for any expansion of the franchise. They'll just get voted down.

You don't think some of the ex-Tories might actually back enfranchising EU nationals?

(unlike 16-17 year olds, this one would be relatively simple to administer as well)

Most of the ex-Tories are still essentially Tories and will abide by the Tory whip. The handful who might vote for such an amendment would probably be cancelled out by grump Labour/LD MPs with Very Real Concerns about the wisdom of such a change.

[Kingpoleon]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

No. They actually have principles, and are fighting to ensure the UK never leaves the EU. The real hacks are Labour, who refuse to take a definative position and fight hard to stop the greatest threat to the UK in decades.

Hey guys? Neither of you want to see a Conservative majority (granted, the Lib Dems don’t want to see a Labour majority either).

Is there a chance of Labour-SNP-LD somehow getting a majority? And if so, would the SNP ever consider joining a government? I can’t imagine the Lib Dems want to govern with the Conservatives for a long time yet, so I am curious about what kind of coalition could possibly happen.

[CumbrianLefty]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

No. They actually have principles, and are fighting to ensure the UK never leaves the EU. The real hacks are Labour, who refuse to take a definative position and fight hard to stop the greatest threat to the UK in decades.

Hey guys? Neither of you want to see a Conservative majority (granted, the Lib Dems don’t want to see a Labour majority either).

Is there a chance of Labour-SNP-LD somehow getting a majority? And if so, would the SNP ever consider joining a government? I can’t imagine the Lib Dems want to govern with the Conservatives for a long time yet, so I am curious about what kind of coalition could possibly happen.

You might think that, but have you heard anything Swinson has said since she became leader?

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

No. They actually have principles, and are fighting to ensure the UK never leaves the EU. The real hacks are Labour, who refuse to take a definative position and fight hard to stop the greatest threat to the UK in decades.

Hey guys? Neither of you want to see a Conservative majority (granted, the Lib Dems don’t want to see a Labour majority either).

Is there a chance of Labour-SNP-LD somehow getting a majority? And if so, would the SNP ever consider joining a government? I can’t imagine the Lib Dems want to govern with the Conservatives for a long time yet, so I am curious about what kind of coalition could possibly happen.

You might think that, but have you heard anything Swinson has said since she became leader?

Yeah. It's obvious posturing for a Lib-Lab-Grn-SNP election with anyone non Momentum as PM, which is obviously the best realistic solution.

[CumbrianLefty]

The LibDems and SNP have finally shown their true colors, it seems. They don't give a sh*t about stopping BoJo's hard-Brexit deal, or even about taking No Deal off the table. They'll happily throw all that under the bus and let put a hard-right Tory government in power if that allows them to win a few seats.

What a shameful, disgusting bunch of third-rate hacks. If Remainers really want to put their trust in them, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

No. They actually have principles, and are fighting to ensure the UK never leaves the EU. The real hacks are Labour, who refuse to take a definative position and fight hard to stop the greatest threat to the UK in decades.

Hey guys? Neither of you want to see a Conservative majority (granted, the Lib Dems don’t want to see a Labour majority either).

Is there a chance of Labour-SNP-LD somehow getting a majority? And if so, would the SNP ever consider joining a government? I can’t imagine the Lib Dems want to govern with the Conservatives for a long time yet, so I am curious about what kind of coalition could possibly happen.

You might think that, but have you heard anything Swinson has said since she became leader?

Yeah. It's obvious posturing for a Lib-Lab-Grn-SNP election with anyone non Momentum as PM, which is obviously the best realistic solution.

Other parties don't get to dictate to Labour who their leader should be.

Even if Corbyn stepped aside for some reason in that scenario, his successor would also be from the left. Because that is what the majority of the party currently wants.