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Kingpoleon
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« on: October 18, 2019, 10:24:32 PM »

Despite Russia drawing closer and closer to China, they seem intent on maintaining a seeming counterbalance in India. In terms of military size, these great powers are essentially unmatched. If any war breaks out, China and India will play important roles in matching, man for man, the number of soldiers. Will India move closer to the US? Will China severe its ties to Pakistan and form a grand, triple alliance?
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2019, 11:07:17 PM »

We are getting back into a pre WWI mentality. This is bad news. The question shouldn't be "how will the greatest powers align" but how the world can avoid a repeat of 1914 in the first place.

The post-Edwardian era powers eventually aligned in an imbalanced way because the US, UK and Soviet Union dwarfed Germany and its allies in terms of output. That meant the world wars, as horrific as they were, were not nearly as bad as they would have been if, for instance, the US and the USSR were forced into a fight to the end. Today, unless it's the US, China and India against Russia, no such dwarfing is possible. That, in combination with the advent of nuclear weapons and other new technologies, guarantees that World War III would be even worse of a catastrophe than the first two.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2019, 02:02:28 PM »

We are getting back into a pre WWI mentality. This is bad news. The question shouldn't be "how will the greatest powers align" but how the world can avoid a repeat of 1914 in the first place.

The post-Edwardian era powers eventually aligned in an imbalanced way because the US, UK and Soviet Union dwarfed Germany and its allies in terms of output. That meant the world wars, as horrific as they were, were not nearly as bad as they would have been if, for instance, the US and the USSR were forced into a fight to the end. Today, unless it's the US, China and India against Russia, no such dwarfing is possible. That, in combination with the advent of nuclear weapons and other new technologies, guarantees that World War III would be even worse of a catastrophe than the first two.

Only in the sense that alliances with great powers are reforming. And that’s not inherently a bad thing - it was a lack of allies amongst democratic and free peoples that enabled Nazi and then Soviet domination of large swathes of the world.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2019, 05:50:32 PM »

We are getting back into a pre WWI mentality. This is bad news. The question shouldn't be "how will the greatest powers align" but how the world can avoid a repeat of 1914 in the first place.

The post-Edwardian era powers eventually aligned in an imbalanced way because the US, UK and Soviet Union dwarfed Germany and its allies in terms of output. That meant the world wars, as horrific as they were, were not nearly as bad as they would have been if, for instance, the US and the USSR were forced into a fight to the end. Today, unless it's the US, China and India against Russia, no such dwarfing is possible. That, in combination with the advent of nuclear weapons and other new technologies, guarantees that World War III would be even worse of a catastrophe than the first two.

Great take.

Alignment is the wrong question. We live in a highly interconnected world, we're all aligned together whether we like it or not. Further integration is needed.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 03:28:12 PM »

India is still not at the same footing as the three others, sheer manpower notwithstanding.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2019, 09:53:14 AM »

It's important to have India as an ally in the future of the western world. With Russia we can talk when Putin's or United Russia's reign is over (which is likely never or not in the distant future). China must drastically change before we can talk.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2019, 06:46:26 PM »

India is still not at the same footing as the three others, sheer manpower notwithstanding.
India economically and militarily is as large as Russia...
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2019, 12:08:29 PM »

India is still not at the same footing as the three others, sheer manpower notwithstanding.
India economically and militarily is as large as Russia...

But a lot less developed and more fractured.  I doubt Modi (or any other Indian leader) could effectively leverage his population’s manpower into a global force:  poor sectarians make a very bad army. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2019, 09:04:49 PM »

I think China and Russia will probably end up on the same side, considering their joint enmity toward the United States. With a friendly China, Russia won't need to support India anymore, meaning India might turn toward the US and Japan. The US then might become more pro-India on the Kashmir question, pushing Pakistan away from the Americans and Saudis and toward Iran. Turkey, I think, would ultimately side with the US and allies, reluctantly ending its flirting with Russia and fulfilling its obligations as a NATO ally. Even though Turkey dislikes the Saudis due to Khashoggi, they'd most likely return to their side in the event of a war considering that Assad, their sworn enemy, is supported by the Iranians.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2019, 08:48:59 AM »

India is still not at the same footing as the three others, sheer manpower notwithstanding.

And never will be.
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