City of San Francisco votes to remove controversial murals

[lfromnj]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/27/san-francisco-high-school-murals-painted-over
A bit old but still recent.

Completely disgusting. It costs 600k to paint over some murals. This is clearly just an excuse by the school board to fund some cronies. I expect removing the murals from SF but 600k is just a ing outrage. Even if you support removing the murals due to your ideology this is just flat out corruption.

[T'Chenka]

Snowflakes.

Why not just add a plaque making it 100% clear that the fdpiction is not at all a celebration or acceptance of those actions, but more of a historical "never forget" mural. They do still teach history in school, right?

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Woke leftists love to erase history they don't like.

[7,052,770]

Woke leftists love to erase history they don't like.

Rightists don't (or can't) read, so I can see why they think statues and paintings are all we have to document history.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This is dumb.

[Reaganfan Democrat]

Imagine how many hungry children they could feed for $600k.

[Corbyn is (no longer) the leader of the Labour Party]

Imagine how many hungry children they could feed for $600k.

I don't know... that would be socialism.

[Progressive Pessimist]

It doesn't seem worth the money, but it does also seem like a pretty antiquated thing to depict in a somewhat heroic manner.

[brucejoel99]

So if the whole point of a mural featuring slaves & a dead Native American is to show the damage that early white Americans did to people of color, then why in the hell are they erasing such a reminder?

This is stupid.

[TJ in Oregon]

I would gladly be willing to fly down to San Francisco and paint over the mural for only a mere $500k.

[Storr]

So if the whole point of a mural featuring slaves & a dead Native American is to show the damage that early white Americans did to people of color, then why in the hell are they erasing such a reminder?

This is stupid.

Yeah, I'm very confused what's racist about the mural....that's what happened to many Native Americans and early America had slaves. What's racist about depicting an institution that existed in this country? Nothing seemed to be an attempt to glorify murdering Native Americans or Slavery.

[J. J.]

So if the whole point of a mural featuring slaves & a dead Native American is to show the damage that early white Americans did to people of color, then why in the hell are they erasing such a reminder?

This is stupid.

Yeah, I'm very confused what's racist about the mural....that's what happened to many Native Americans and early America had slaves. What's racist about depicting an institution that existed in this country? Nothing seemed to be an attempt to glorify murdering Native Americans or Slavery.

It is the stupidity of the far Left. 

[junior chįmp]

They should paint a new mural of the guy who ends up painting over the current mural

[lfromnj]

I would gladly be willing to fly down to San Francisco and paint over the mural for only a mere $500k.

Id do it for 400k.

[John Dule]

I would gladly be willing to fly down to San Francisco and paint over the mural for only a mere $500k.

Id do it for 400k.

Sorry, but only rich DNC cronies/people who've fondled Gavin Newsom's balls get to have California government contracts.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Honestly a repulsive decision, little different from the iconoclastic destruction of "idols" by Puritans and Salafis or the Nazi burning of degenerate artwork or (more specifically) Nelson Rockefeller destroying WPA works that "glorified socialism".

The WPA was a truly positive entity in American history. Whatever you may think about the New Deal as a whole, it is rare to see government fund something so nakedly self critical of its own mythologies. Like, imagine if the obama stimulus had funded art works depicting the horrors of Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam, or the misery America was pushed into by the bipartisan group of fanatics that unleashed the financial crisis in their service to the financial industry? You'd never hear the end of it from the media? Look at that production of Julia Caesar a while back that was targeted by fascistic mobs because it depicted trump as the title character. They had to bend over backwards to show that no public money was given to them.

[T'Chenka]

Hahahahahahaha! CNN put up a short clip of an SJW screaming about getting triggered at a meeting about the mural. Then they brought on Willie Brown, the former mayor of San Francisco (a black man) to discuss the mural. He was extremely reasonable and intelligent.

They also mentiomed that  the mural was painted by a communist who was highly critical of American racism.

You can skip the first 30 seconds.
https://youtu.be/5hojd14SmSs

[PragmaticPopulist]

I would hope they reconsider. The artist who painted this was highly critical of America's history with race, and was trying to make a point from painting it.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I would hope they reconsider. The artist who painted this was highly critical of America's history with race, and was trying to make a point from painting it.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

I would hope they reconsider. The artist who painted this was highly critical of America's history with race, and was trying to make a point from painting it.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

So if the whole point of a mural featuring slaves & a dead Native American is to show the damage that early white Americans did to people of color, then why in the hell are they erasing such a reminder?

This is stupid.

Yeah, I'm very confused what's racist about the mural....that's what happened to many Native Americans and early America had slaves. What's racist about depicting an institution that existed in this country? Nothing seemed to be an attempt to glorify murdering Native Americans or Slavery.

The argument is that showcasing the content outside of an academic context or a context that specifically memorializes the victims is considered a net negative. Areas that are more left-wing politcally, like universities, have shifted moral calculus from an emphasis on intent to one on results and consequences. In general, there's been a shift toward consequentalism among younger left-wing Americans.

[ProudModerate2]

This is dumb.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

I would hope they reconsider. The artist who painted this was highly critical of America's history with race, and was trying to make a point from painting it.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I came up with a compromise. The city can keep the mural, but add an explicit anti-slavery message to it, something like: "We remember the horrors of slavery and other atrocities towards this nation's indigenous population." Then, the context can be clear. I am actually as facetious about this as I am serious.

[T'Chenka]

I came up with a compromise. The city can should the mural, but add an explicit anti-slavery message to it, something like: "We remember the horrors of slavery and other atrocities towards this nation's indigenous population." Then, the context can be clear. I am actually as facetious about this as I am serious.

This is VERY obviously the common sense solution. We could quibble about the exact wording, but other than tjat it's a cheaper smarter better option.