GA-SEN 2020 Class III Megathread: She Who Loeffs Last

[wbrocks67]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

Yeah, Ossoff literally lost a special election race in 2017 that should have been a slam dunk win.

No? 2018 was a wave year with Democrats winning the popular vote by 9%, and McBath *just* skated by for a win. Ossoff only lost by like 2% in 2017 b/c the race got nationalized. Pure and simple. These takes that Ossoff was a bad candidate and had a horrible loss don't jive with reality, especially in that district that still wildly swung left despite Ossoff still losing.

[KaiserDave]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

Yeah, Ossoff literally lost a special election race in 2017 that should have been a slam dunk win.

No? 2018 was a wave year with Democrats winning the popular vote by 9%, and McBath *just* skated by for a win. Ossoff only lost by like 2% in 2017 b/c the race got nationalized. Pure and simple. These takes that Ossoff was a bad candidate and had a horrible loss don't jive with reality, especially in that district that still wildly swung left despite Ossoff still losing.

But this doesn't make him a good statewide candidate.

[Landslide Lyndon]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

Yeah, Ossoff literally lost a special election race in 2017 that should have been a slam dunk win.

No? 2018 was a wave year with Democrats winning the popular vote by 9%, and McBath *just* skated by for a win. Ossoff only lost by like 2% in 2017 b/c the race got nationalized. Pure and simple. These takes that Ossoff was a bad candidate and had a horrible loss don't jive with reality, especially in that district that still wildly swung left despite Ossoff still losing.

But this doesn't make him a good statewide candidate.

He is obviously the best from those currently running. It's not his fault if Tomlinson proved to be a dud.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

The real world

[Pollster]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

The real world

Did Warnock cut you off on the highway or something?

[Landslide Lyndon]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

The real world

Did Warnock cut you off on the highway or something?

There are a couple of Democratic posters here who still believe that the story about Warnock running over his wife's foot was real.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

The real world

Did Warnock cut you off on the highway or something?

No, I just want the strongest Democrat.  I’m glad the story about Warnock running over his wife’s foot turned out not to be true, but I have been decidedly unimpressed by him as a candidate all the same.  Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing here?

Plus, the fact is that we have a far better shot of beating Perdue with Osoff than we do of beating Collins with Warnock or Lieberman (both of whom are weak C-list candidates, whereas Osoff is a B/B- candidate who has outraised everyone else running in either Senate race).

[Bidenworth2020]

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

The real world

Did Warnock cut you off on the highway or something?

No, I just want the strongest Democrat.  I’m glad the story about Warnock running over his wife’s foot turned out not to be true, but I have been decidedly unimpressed by him as a candidate all the same.  Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing here?

Plus, the fact is that we have a far better shot of beating Perdue with Osoff than we do of beating Collins with Warnock or Lieberman (both of whom are weak C-list candidates, whereas Osoff is a B/B- candidate who has outraised everyone else running in either Senate race).

Really odd that that you insist Warnock is a worse candidate when both polls I have seen had Warnock doing better than Lieberman.

[Horus]

Ossoff and Warnock are the best choices in their respective primaries and it's not even close. They balance one another out very well.

[Pollster]

Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing here?

It's been explained numerous times on this board within the last 48 hours alone why he's the strongest Dem in the special election field, from both of public and behind-the-scenes perspective.

[Pollster]

Ossoff and Warnock are the best choices in their respective primaries and it's not even close. They balance one another out very well.

Outside of their races obviously being different, I don't see this. Both are male candidates based in the Atlanta metro who don't bring actual governing experience to the ticket.

I've made it clear on this forum I think Tomlinson is far and away the better candidate for the regularly scheduled race. It's not because I trivially or superficially like her more.

[We Live in Black and White]

Ossoff and Warnock are the best choices in their respective primaries and it's not even close. They balance one another out very well.

Outside of their races obviously being different, I don't see this. Both are male candidates based in the Atlanta metro who don't bring actual governing experience to the ticket.

I've made it clear on this forum I think Tomlinson is far and away the better candidate for the regularly scheduled race. It's not because I trivially or superficially like her more.

The problem is that Tomlinson is a dumpster fire of a candidate in all actuality. The campaign she's run for the primary alone has been a big, wet thud.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Ossoff and Warnock are the best choices in their respective primaries and it's not even close. They balance one another out very well.

Outside of their races obviously being different, I don't see this. Both are male candidates based in the Atlanta metro who don't bring actual governing experience to the ticket.

I've made it clear on this forum I think Tomlinson is far and away the better candidate for the regularly scheduled race. It's not because I trivially or superficially like her more.

He probably means that one is a young white Jewish guy while the other is an older black Evangelical, thus they appeal and bring out different parts of the Democratic coalition.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing here?

It's been explained numerous times on this board within the last 48 hours alone why he's the strongest Dem in the special election field, from both of public and behind-the-scenes perspective.

In that case, humor me and explain it again because no one has explained it to me  I don't really see what's so unreasonable about saying "random C-list sacrificial lamb #1 is probably a better candidate than random C-list sacrificial lamb #2 since the former is generally polling in second while the latter is generally polling in a single-digit fourth place."  It's not like Lieberman or Warnock stands a chance here unless some freak COVID-19 voter turnout fluke causes one of them to make it into a runoff with Loeffler rather than Collins.

If she drops out the Democrats need to force everyone out and endorse Warnock.

No, they need to force Warnock to drop out and endorse Lieberman (i.e. the strongest - or rather, least weak - Democrat running).  Of course, they should be spending on the regular Georgia Senate race since unlike Warnock or Lieberman, Osoff actually has a chance of winning even if it's a long shot and the money would be much better spent on Maine, North Carolina, Montana, and (if Kobach is the Republican nominee) Kansas.

The candidate who has $1 million more cash on hand, endorsed by the largest vote getting Democrat in the state’s history, and to be frank- the candidate who is Black in a state where 2/3 of the votes Democrats will get in November and a run off will be Black needs to drop out because of some polls six months out when NO ONE has been campaigning? Nah.

Agreed. Also....in what world is Ossoff better than Warnock?

The real world

Did Warnock cut you off on the highway or something?

No, I just want the strongest Democrat.  I’m glad the story about Warnock running over his wife’s foot turned out not to be true, but I have been decidedly unimpressed by him as a candidate all the same.  Maybe someone can explain what I’m missing here?

Plus, the fact is that we have a far better shot of beating Perdue with Osoff than we do of beating Collins with Warnock or Lieberman (both of whom are weak C-list candidates, whereas Osoff is a B/B- candidate who has outraised everyone else running in either Senate race).

Really odd that that you insist Warnock is a worse candidate when both polls I have seen had Warnock doing better than Lieberman.

IIRC, Warnock has only led Lieberman in one poll whereas Lieberman [and Loeffler] has led Warnock in three polls (all of which have shown Lieberman at 13-15% and Warnock at 7-9%).  Those are the only four polls I've seen of the race.  Frankly, I don't have a dog in the Lieberman vs. Warnock fight except that we shouldn't be lighting money on fire by wasting it on this race (Osoff vs. Perdue OTOH appears to actually be a long-shot pickup opportunity even if getting past that 50% mark will be a really heavy lift, so I'm fine with spending a bit there as long as it doesn't come at the expense of Maine, North Carolina, Montana, Kansas - if Kobach gets nominated, etc).  Spending money on Lieberman or Warnock would be like wasting it on Hegar's campaign in Texas tbh.

[KaiserDave]

Watched Raphael's announcement video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoERPDVOk38

Ya I'm on board, especially with Sherrod Brown's endorsement.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/DeItaOne/status/1265362815201804291

https://twitter.com/lindsaywise/status/1265381301168807937

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/DeItaOne/status/1265362815201804291

I mean, random some dude on twitter who only uses all caps isn't really a credible source

[Rookie Yinzer]

She’s doomed politically regardless. She was already a woman and completely out of touch with the KKK hicks in north and South Georgia so whatevs.

Her not being held criminally liable will be a disgrace.

[brucejoel99]

She’s doomed politically regardless. She was already a woman and completely out of touch with the KKK hicks in north and South Georgia so whatevs.

Her not being held criminally liable will be a disgrace.

Yeah, she must've had enough plausible deniability & degrees of separation under the law, but I'd definitely still say that she was acting unethically. As some solace, her political career is now in tatters anyway.

[wbrocks67]

i mean, this is the Bill Barr DOJ. Unsurprising that they let her off the hook in an election year.

Either way she's still cooked.

[Continential]

If I had to support a candidate today, I'd support Lieberman because he has a more likely chance in the first election.

[Blair]

Would be interesting to see what someone who understands the law fully thinks- the impression I get is that as long as you don't say to a trader/broker 'sell these shares' you can get away with it. The defence has been that it's done by a 'third-party advisor' but if you have a 30 minute conversation with them every week...

It's baffling why there isn't a requirement for assets to go into a blind trust at the very least.

[Pollster]

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1271230900907450369?s=21

[Roll Roons]

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1271230900907450369?s=21

She very possibly has the worst political skills of anyone currently holding a major public office.

[Lognog]

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1271230900907450369?s=21

She very possibly has the worst political skills of anyone currently holding a major public office.

it's like she's a parody of herself