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« on: July 09, 2019, 12:35:55 PM »
« edited: July 09, 2019, 06:29:56 PM by Grifting for mcgrath »

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FYI narrow  Pinochet. I guess in a congressional race I would vote Allende as he would never be in a position to do the damage communism could.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 12:39:36 PM »

Allende by far, he was a FF.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 12:59:42 PM »

Alende, easily.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 01:02:23 PM »

Allende by far.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 01:18:00 PM »

Allende. But - NOT so easily... He made a lot of serious errors during his Presidency...
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 01:24:26 PM »

Allende. But - NOT so easily... He made a lot of serious errors during his Presidency...

I can see him risking causing a lot of the same problems were he able to defeat the fascist rebellion.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 01:25:48 PM »

Allende. But - NOT so easily... He made a lot of serious errors during his Presidency...
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 03:58:49 PM »

Allende (sane)
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 05:24:33 PM »

Allende very enthusiastically, what could have been of Project Cybersyn is something I’ll never forgive or forget.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 05:52:57 PM »

Allende. But - NOT so easily... He made a lot of serious errors during his Presidency...
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2019, 05:59:39 PM »

Allende easily

Allende very enthusiastically, what could have been of Project Cybersyn is something I’ll never forgive or forget.
If you are interested, there is a chilean writer called Jorge Baradit (one of the most popular writers around here) who has a book called SYNCO, which is set in an alternate reality, in which Pinochet stop the coup (supporting Allende) and the government successfully implements the Cybersyn. I don't know if there is an english version though.

https://www.amazon.com/Synco-Spanish-JORGE-BARADIT-ebook/dp/B00EE98LRW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=SYNCO+baradit&qid=1562712922&s=gateway&sr=8-2
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2019, 07:21:49 PM »

Allende (sane)
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 07:24:11 PM »

Pinochet
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 07:53:58 PM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2019, 08:00:50 PM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.

Whatever you think of Allende’s economic policies, Pinochet murderd thousands.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2019, 08:18:43 PM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.
What a poor state of existence the tax evaders, landlords, wage thievers, and pedophile papists would have been through...

Of course, as someone who has previously decried democracy, this type of support would have been expected.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2019, 08:31:35 PM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.
What a poor state of existence the tax evaders, landlords, wage thievers, and pedophile papists would have been through...

Of course, as someone who has previously decried democracy, this type of support would have been expected.

I only oppose democracy because I believe that people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for others, and because I don't agree with majority rule or doctrines of false equality.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2019, 09:15:39 PM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.

Whatever you think of Allende’s economic policies, Pinochet murderd thousands.

Yeah I don't trust socialists enough for them to not murder hundreds of thousands. Atleast with Pinochet Ik for a fact what happened. Chile went through a stabilization period with minor- moderate growth with very light economic liberalization in some areas although not others and then it finally ended up becoming the most successful country in South America.
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2019, 09:20:17 PM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.

Whatever you think of Allende’s economic policies, Pinochet murderd thousands.

Yeah I don't trust socialists enough for them to not murder hundreds of thousands. Atleast with Pinochet Ik for a fact what happened. Chile went through a stabilization period with minor- moderate growth with very light economic liberalization in some areas although not others and then it finally ended up becoming the most successful country in South America.
That only happened after the return of democracy, in which leftists won and created a solid welfare state that shone brighter than the oligarchies or dictatorships of the region.
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2019, 09:32:17 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2019, 11:25:42 PM »

Yeah, gotta be Allende.
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2019, 11:53:35 PM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.
What a poor state of existence the tax evaders, landlords, wage thievers, and pedophile papists would have been through...

Of course, as someone who has previously decried democracy, this type of support would have been expected.

I only oppose democracy because I believe that people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for others, and because I don't agree with majority rule or doctrines of false equality.
Ah yes, because a key feature of non-democratic regimes is the absence of people making decisions for others Roll Eyes

Same goes for any form of capitalism which, of course, totally relies on that
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2019, 01:40:46 AM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.
What a poor state of existence the tax evaders, landlords, wage thievers, and pedophile papists would have been through...

Of course, as someone who has previously decried democracy, this type of support would have been expected.

I only oppose democracy because I believe that people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for others, and because I don't agree with majority rule or doctrines of false equality.
Ah yes, because a key feature of non-democratic regimes is the absence of people making decisions for others Roll Eyes

Same goes for any form of capitalism which, of course, totally relies on that

I haven't supported any other form of government here. I was just clarifying that my dislike of democracy doesn't stem from an endorsement of dictatorship.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2019, 02:10:39 AM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.
What a poor state of existence the tax evaders, landlords, wage thievers, and pedophile papists would have been through...

Of course, as someone who has previously decried democracy, this type of support would have been expected.

I only oppose democracy because I believe that people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for others, and because I don't agree with majority rule or doctrines of false equality.
Ah yes, because a key feature of non-democratic regimes is the absence of people making decisions for others Roll Eyes

Same goes for any form of capitalism which, of course, totally relies on that

I haven't supported any other form of government here. I was just clarifying that my dislike of democracy doesn't stem from an endorsement of dictatorship.
And I'm just pointing out that opposing democracy on the basis that you don't like "people making decisions for others" is an absurdist position seeing as that is a pretty much inevitable feature of even the most basic forms of social organisation
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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2019, 02:34:53 AM »

I can never understand why people stress "The DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Allende" as a point in Allende's favor when discussing these two, as if state-sponsored theft is suddenly A-OK if a 50.1% majority says it is.
What a poor state of existence the tax evaders, landlords, wage thievers, and pedophile papists would have been through...

Of course, as someone who has previously decried democracy, this type of support would have been expected.

I only oppose democracy because I believe that people shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for others, and because I don't agree with majority rule or doctrines of false equality.
Ah yes, because a key feature of non-democratic regimes is the absence of people making decisions for others Roll Eyes

Same goes for any form of capitalism which, of course, totally relies on that

I haven't supported any other form of government here. I was just clarifying that my dislike of democracy doesn't stem from an endorsement of dictatorship.
And I'm just pointing out that opposing democracy on the basis that you don't like "people making decisions for others" is an absurdist position seeing as that is a pretty much inevitable feature of even the most basic forms of social organisation

I oppose most basic forms of social organization. Interacting with others gives me anxiety.
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