AOC says migrants forced to drink toilet water after tense border visit

[Progressive Pessimist]

A group of people are being concentrated in a camp. They're concentration camps.

[Dr. Arch]

Remember. In no way are these camps.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Is ever so telling that conservatives primary defense of this is arguing over semantics whether these camps are concentration camps like Auschwitz as opposed to merely internment camps like we locked Japanese people in the 1940s. Raw disgust is my only reaction here.

Well I wouldn't really say that it's appropriate to call them "concentration camps" given that that's going to make people immediately think of Nazis gassing millions of people despite the literal meaning and you shouldn't just flippantly lump things in with the Holocaust. But I don't really consider that a "defense" and these places are still awful. Not being as bad as the Nazis is a very low bar.

What Did the World Know?

on December 13, 1942, Edward R. Murrow of the CBS radio network bluntly reported, “What is happening is this. Millions of human beings, most of them Jews, are being gathered up with ruthless efficiency and murdered. The phrase ‘concentration camps’ is obsolete, as out of date as economic sanctions or non-recognition. It is now possible only to speak of extermination camps.”

[Hammy]

This will be Trump's longterm legacy, the primary thing he's remembered for.

It will be one of many infamous things. The worse part is that it will also be part of our country's history that we may never redeem ourselves from.

This country will never redeem itself because most of the stuff over the last century or so still hasn't been answered for. Being irredeemable has become tradition at this point.

And two points: to those saying these aren't concentration camps--what's going on appears to be worse than the inhumane conditions the Japanese were forced to live in during WWII, and FDR called those concentration camps--how are they not?

And to those saying America doesn't know what's going on here--unfortunately they simply don't care. People will say they're outraged, but when this continues under the next Dem, they'll just turn their head and pretend it's over. Most Americans lack basic human empathy and treat it like some character flaw that needs fixed.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

[Hammy]

Nothing will be done about this.  This is the country that folks like FuzzyBear love!

No doubt Tender and Grassroots will be in here defending this in no time, desperately trying to spin it “well ackshwally it’s Nancy Pelosi’s fault something something WALL ILLEGAL THE LAW”

Fits in with the “LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO” philosophy they have.  “Look what democrats made these cpb officers do!”

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

Like clockwork...

[NOVA Green]

Remember. In no way are these camps.

This is downright disgusting to see the "Land of the Free and Home of Brave" treat fellow humans in this fashion, regardless of legal residency status.

tbf... not all of this is Trump's responsibility since it goes back to decades of US policy, since at least the era of Ronald Reagan, (and quite possibly US Foreign Policy going back to the '50s/'60s indirectly).

Massive flights of Central Americans fleeing Fascist governments in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras fled toward El Norte and the Reagan Administration tried to slam the doors shut.

The Catholic Church, the Central American Solidarity Movement, and even an "underground railroad" attempted to provide safe haven for refugees fleeing brutal wars and oppression in their home countries.

Reagan slashed gvt funding for processing "asylum seekers" and essentially deported tens of thousands of individuals back to likely death in their home countries.

Gvt funding for dealing with immigrants coming from South of the border has been slashed for decades....

When I lived in TX back around '13-16, many of my Latino friends in the workplace would talk about how "Obama was a deporter in chief", even while I am trying to encourage DACAs to go through the process.

I posted a few comments on Atlas about this around '13-'14?


Don't get me wrong, and me and my wife were and are big supporters of Obama with his overall agenda, hearing stories about how one of her co-workers husband was deported back to Mexico although they have three kids together, because they got in an argument one Night and he went to a bar and got pulled over for a DUI (Which qualified as "violent illegal" under Obama era deportation policies even as first time offense with nobody injured), seemed whey OTT considering how common drinking and driving was in TX for Anglos (Many of y'all hate that term I know. ) that had done much worse.

This is disgusting and a national disgrace, and I am not an apologist for Trump, but I really hope faith based communities respond with the heart of America to what is an obvious Human Rights Crisis at the Southern border....

[T'Chenka]

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

We are Americans, Fuzzy. We DO NOT treat humans in this manner, PERIOD. If there isn't a big enough budget and or enough room in the centers, you don't overfill them. You let the excess people go, either in America or Mexico or whatever conservatives want, I don't care. Then, you can go on Fox News or the floor of congress and say that we're letting too many people go, and that it's a serious problem tbat needs to be addressed. Then you address it in one way or another, which is it's own seperate debate.

Christians should not tolerate this treatment of people in America. Jesus would be DISGUSTED with this, and you should be ashamed if you'd rather lock them up like animals than to send them back with zero punishment.

[Indy Texas]

The sign on the fencing that says "POD 2" is honestly the most viscerally unsettling thing in those photos.

That word choice...it just sounds so creepy and dystopian. Getting a strong Children of Men or District 9 vibe.

[Hammy]

I just want to remind the people who sleep at night okay that we're stopping only just short of committing genocide by telling themselves "oh these are criminals and lawbreakers, they deserve it": these are legal asylum seekers. US immigration and asylum laws state, very clear and in no uncertain terms, in order to seek asylum you must show up in person, and turn yourself in to immigration officials before you can apply--the overwhelming majority of those didn't even get the opportunity to voluntarily turn themselves in before they were snatched up and thrown in these camps--we are violating our own asylum laws by doing this and effectively luring people into a trap for God knows what reason, I guess so old rich white people can blame the scary browns so they can stay in power.

[Coastal Elitist]

Apparently someone else experienced different conditions: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/immigration-border-facility-aoc-hispanic

“We found no soiled diapers, no deplorable conditions and no lack of basic necessities,” Rodriguez remarked, adding he specifically asked border agents if they staged the facility in response to the negative press. “They unequivocally denied it — we were witnessing the identical conditions the attorneys saw when they toured the facility days earlier."

In fact, some told him the sources from whom the negative coverage originated “never toured the areas of the facility that we toured” and speculated they might have had political motivations.

[T'Chenka]

Apparently someone else experienced different conditions: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/immigration-border-facility-aoc-hispanic

“We found no soiled diapers, no deplorable conditions and no lack of basic necessities,” Rodriguez remarked, adding he specifically asked border agents if they staged the facility in response to the negative press. “They unequivocally denied it — we were witnessing the identical conditions the attorneys saw when they toured the facility days earlier."

In fact, some told him the sources from whom the negative coverage originated “never toured the areas of the facility that we toured” and speculated they might have had political motivations.

Fox News called up the facility: "Hey guys, can we send some blindly faithful Republican pastors to you in a day or two to say the Democrats are liars, and can you clean the place up real good between now and then? We can own the libs while you get the media off your back. Win win."

All the liberal representatives from the first trip collectively lied as a political conspiracy? Some of these women are Bernie progressives, not Republican swamp monsters. They actually have integrity. This conspiracy theory is laughable and sad.

[Xeuma]

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

As we all know, when the Republicans do something bad, its actually the Democrats' fault for not stopping them.

[Slander and/or Libel]

Apparently someone else experienced different conditions: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/immigration-border-facility-aoc-hispanic

“We found no soiled diapers, no deplorable conditions and no lack of basic necessities,” Rodriguez remarked, adding he specifically asked border agents if they staged the facility in response to the negative press. “They unequivocally denied it — we were witnessing the identical conditions the attorneys saw when they toured the facility days earlier."

In fact, some told him the sources from whom the negative coverage originated “never toured the areas of the facility that we toured” and speculated they might have had political motivations.

Get the f*** out of here with this nonsense. DHS's own inspector general just issued a report about how awful its own facilities are.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

We are Americans, Fuzzy. We DO NOT treat humans in this manner, PERIOD. If there isn't a big enough budget and or enough room in the centers, you don't overfill them. You let the excess people go, either in America or Mexico or whatever conservatives want, I don't care. Then, you can go on Fox News or the floor of congress and say that we're letting too many people go, and that it's a serious problem tbat needs to be addressed. Then you address it in one way or another, which is it's own seperate debate.

Christians should not tolerate this treatment of people in America. Jesus would be DISGUSTED with this, and you should be ashamed if you'd rather lock them up like animals than to send them back with zero punishment.

They are asylum seekers and so legally can't be sent back without a court hearing to see if they are allowed to stay.  This has nothing to do with punishment.

[Fight for Trump]

Gitmo should be converted into an Australian-style offshore detention center.

[Slander and/or Libel]

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

We are Americans, Fuzzy. We DO NOT treat humans in this manner, PERIOD. If there isn't a big enough budget and or enough room in the centers, you don't overfill them. You let the excess people go, either in America or Mexico or whatever conservatives want, I don't care. Then, you can go on Fox News or the floor of congress and say that we're letting too many people go, and that it's a serious problem tbat needs to be addressed. Then you address it in one way or another, which is it's own seperate debate.

Christians should not tolerate this treatment of people in America. Jesus would be DISGUSTED with this, and you should be ashamed if you'd rather lock them up like animals than to send them back with zero punishment.

They are asylum seekers and so legally can't be sent back without a court hearing to see if they are allowed to stay.  This has nothing to do with punishment.

They can be released on their own recognizance, as was done before the concentration camps were set up, or at least before they were expanded to their current catastrophic levels.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/6/26/house_progressives_vote_against_dhs_funding

So why did AOC and other "progressives" vote against an ICE funding bill that included money to upgrade these detention centers?

The answer is simple:  The Left WANTS these facilities to become so horrible that they will be shut down after a huge outcry, and the centers will be closed, all of the inhabitants allowed to stay in the US, and all part of a movement to implement Open Borders in stages.

The reason the conditions in these facilities are what they are is because of the massive (and unforseen) increase in illegal immigration; an increase that has been encouraged by leftist groups in America and outside of America.  And the Democratic Party encourages this by essentially advocating an immigration enforcement policy that tells people in other countries that if they can swim the Rio Grande River, they're Home Free.  Today's Democratic Party has no intention of enforcing our immigration laws; they wish to see enforcement fail in order to implement Open Borders, and they wish to do so regardless of whether or not it is good for American citizens.

We are Americans, Fuzzy. We DO NOT treat humans in this manner, PERIOD. If there isn't a big enough budget and or enough room in the centers, you don't overfill them. You let the excess people go, either in America or Mexico or whatever conservatives want, I don't care. Then, you can go on Fox News or the floor of congress and say that we're letting too many people go, and that it's a serious problem tbat needs to be addressed. Then you address it in one way or another, which is it's own seperate debate.

Christians should not tolerate this treatment of people in America. Jesus would be DISGUSTED with this, and you should be ashamed if you'd rather lock them up like animals than to send them back with zero punishment.

They are asylum seekers and so legally can't be sent back without a court hearing to see if they are allowed to stay.  This has nothing to do with punishment.

They can be released on their own recognizance, as was done before the concentration camps were set up, or at least before they were expanded to their current catastrophic levels.

Camps were expanded?  Anyway, What does that have to do with what I said?

[Yellowhammer]

A group of people are being concentrated in a camp. They're concentration camps.

Since every camp is a concentration of people, all camps are concentration camps. Don't send your kids to summer concentration camp!

[Fight for Trump]

A group of people are being concentrated in a camp. They're concentration camps.

Since every camp is a concentration of people, all camps are concentration camps. Don't send your kids to summer concentration camp!

The key distinction is one is voluntary and the other is not. Don't be an idiot.

[Yellowhammer]

A group of people are being concentrated in a camp. They're concentration camps.

Since every camp is a concentration of people, all camps are concentration camps. Don't send your kids to summer concentration camp!

The key distinction is one is voluntary and the other is not. Don't be an idiot.

Yes, holding camps for illegal migrants are 100% voluntary. They chose to invade the United States and risk being detained in one.

[Fight for Trump]

A group of people are being concentrated in a camp. They're concentration camps.

Since every camp is a concentration of people, all camps are concentration camps. Don't send your kids to summer concentration camp!

The key distinction is one is voluntary and the other is not. Don't be an idiot.

Yes, holding camps for illegal migrants are 100% voluntary. They chose to invade the United States and risk being detained in one.

I agree that detention is necessary. But even if you disagree with the characterization of the detention facilities as concentration camps, you should still be concerned about the government's treatment of detainees, both from a human rights and national image perspective.

[Ilhan Apologist]

A group of people are being concentrated in a camp. They're concentration camps.

Since every camp is a concentration of people, all camps are concentration camps. Don't send your kids to summer concentration camp!

The key distinction is one is voluntary and the other is not. Don't be an idiot.

Yes, holding camps for illegal migrants are 100% voluntary. They chose to invade the United States and risk being detained in one.

Yeah...a ton of them practically made that decision at gunpoint.

[Coastal Elitist]

Apparently someone else experienced different conditions: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/immigration-border-facility-aoc-hispanic

“We found no soiled diapers, no deplorable conditions and no lack of basic necessities,” Rodriguez remarked, adding he specifically asked border agents if they staged the facility in response to the negative press. “They unequivocally denied it — we were witnessing the identical conditions the attorneys saw when they toured the facility days earlier."

In fact, some told him the sources from whom the negative coverage originated “never toured the areas of the facility that we toured” and speculated they might have had political motivations.

Fox News called up the facility: "Hey guys, can we send some blindly faithful Republican pastors to you in a day or two to say the Democrats are liars, and can you clean the place up real good between now and then? We can own the libs while you get the media off your back. Win win."

All the liberal representatives from the first trip collectively lied as a political conspiracy? Some of these women are Bernie progressives, not Republican swamp monsters. They actually have integrity. This conspiracy theory is laughable and sad.

Nowhere does it say that they are Republicans. Also this is a pastor who's battled with Trump over immigration. He also advised Obama on immigration reform.

“I read the reports, saw the news clips. I just wanted to see what was actually happening in order to better enable our efforts to find a fair and a just solution to our broken immigration system," Rodriguez, who has advised President Trump and both Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush on immigration reform, noted. “To my surprise, I saw something drastically different from the stories I’ve been hearing in our national discourse. Even as a veteran of immigration advocacy in the U.S., I was shocked at the misinformation of the crisis at the border."

The pastors left encouraged by the commitment and dedication of America’s Border Patrol and immigration officers, “many of which are Latinos, by the way.” He said one emotional Border Patrol agent turned to him and said, referring to the vilification: “Pastor Sam, what they’re saying about us is completely false. We care about these kids and have a passion for our calling.”

Pastor Carlos Moran, NHCLC board member and immigrant, said, “we, as evangelical leaders that serve in different segments, are very committed to helping children regardless of their status and we commend those officers that are trying their very best to serve and fulfill their duty at the border. However, we do call on our political leaders to set aside their personal agendas and begin focusing on resolving this immigration crisis.”

“What's heart-wrenching is that we have both Republicans and Democrats alike in Congress, who can't come together for the purpose of doing the right thing and finding a solution to our immigration crisis,” he said. “Please, President Trump, please White House, work with the Republicans and the Democrats [and] please, please, please, please, Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, please come together to solve this crisis, immediately.”

Also it's hilarious that you think any current politician has integrity.

[Slander and/or Libel]

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/02/738179391/dhs-inspector-general-finds-dangerous-overcrowding-in-border-patrol-facilities