would you disown your child if...

[Bono]

Hey, it's impossible to legally do that in Germany anyways.

Yea same here actually, lest on very specific circumstances, like if your heir tries to murder you, or sleeps with your wife.

Wait, let me get this straight - it's illegal in Germany and Portugal to cut your kid out of your will(at any age, or just when they are a minor)?

Any age. I don't know about Germany, but here it's one of the many ignobile legacies of the Code Napoleon.

[minionofmidas]

Hey, it's impossible to legally do that in Germany anyways.

Yea same here actually, lest on very specific circumstances, like if your heir tries to murder you, or sleeps with your wife.

Wait, let me get this straight - it's illegal in Germany and Portugal to cut your kid out of your will(at any age, or just when they are a minor)?

It's not illegal. The will just gets automatically amended. There's a minimum portion that you have to leave to your children (and your wife). It's size as a percentage gets smaller as the volume of the will increases, don't know the details.
Not sure about the exceptions Bono mentions ... but my guess would be that the murder exception applies in Germany too, while the other doesn't.

[Bono]

Ok, here's the full list of exceptions. there are actually two differnet situations: disowning and indignity. First, I ahve to explian that according to Portuguese law, tehre are two classes of heirs. Legitimate heirs(ascendants, descendants and spouse), and all others. Legitimate heirs are always entitled to a certain portion of the assets of the deceased. Ascendants only when there are neither spose nor descendants.
Anyways, indignity applies automaticaly, weather the person in question ahs amde a will or not, and happens in the following cases:
-Conviction, as author or acomplice, of murder or atempted murder against the author of the inheritance, his descendants, ascendants, spose, adoptants or adoptees.
--Conviction for slander of false witness against said persons, refring to a crime for which penalty is more than 2 years of prison.
--Pratice of acts against the freedom to will, like cohercing the person writing the will.
--Practice of acts against the will, like destroying it.
Practice of said crimes ahs to be before the death of the deceased. The author of the will can, however, rehabilitate the ingin and make him his heiar again.

Now, disinheritance is not automatical, bu can be made expressely by will, for legitimate heirs, if any of the following conditions are met:
--THe potential heir was convicted of an intentional crime against the person, property or honor of the author of the will, his spouse, ascendants, descenants, adoptants or adoptees, as long as said crime is punished by a sentence of moe than 6 months of prison.
--Has been convicted of slander of false witness against said persons;
--refues to supply food (i dont know if this is extended to include basic living needs) to the author of the will or his spouse, without just cause, knowing of their situation.

[A18]

All of the above

[Speed of Sound]

...he/she grew up to be the following (check all that apply)

1. gay no
2. atheist no
3. fundy christian no
4. muslim no
5. republican no
6. democrat no
7. libertarian no
8. have an abortion no
9. drug user no
10. neo-confederate no

[Rin-chan]

1. gay most likely
2. atheist no
3. fundy christian no, but I would if they tried to convert me
4. muslim If they joined Al-Quaeda or something, yes
5. republican no, they'd be my favorite child ever
6. democrat no but it would be very awkward around election day
7. libertarian if they were close to anarchy, yes
8. have an abortion yes
9. drug user depends.  if they did horrible things and were a drug user, yes
10. neo-confederate yes

Rin-chan

[Rin-chan]

1. gay most likely
2. atheist no
3. fundy christian no, but I would if they tried to convert me
4. muslim If they joined Al-Quaeda or something, yes
5. republican no, they'd be my favorite child ever
6. democrat no but it would be very awkward around election day
7. libertarian if they were close to anarchy, yes
8. have an abortion yes
9. drug user depends.  if they did horrible things and were a drug user, yes
10. neo-confederate yes

Rin-chan

Hmm...ooooooor-
1. gay YES
2. atheist NO
3. fundy christian POSSIBLY
4. muslim NO
5. republican NO
6. democrat NO
7. libertarian NO
8. have an abortion ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY
9. drug user PROBABLY
10. neo-confederate MOST LIKELY

It seems we agree lol  *pats head*  I would only disown my child if they shoved whatever they became (ie- gay, atheist, fundy christian, muslim, democrat, libertarian ) in my face.  Then I would be forced hate them.

Rin-chan

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Y'all would disown your child just because of the sexual preference that your genetics gave to them?  That's pretty sad.

[??????????]

10. neo-confederate yes

Rin-chan

10. neo-confederate MOST LIKELY

You folks make me sad.

[dazzleman]

10. neo-confederate yes

Rin-chan

10. neo-confederate MOST LIKELY

You folks make me sad.

Don't feel so bad States, I wouldn't disown my kid if he were a neo-confederate.

But let me ask you this -- would you disown one of your daughters if she turned out to be a big union partisan who disdains the south?  Stranger things have happened.

[J. J.]

While I would sorely like to disown some family members currently, probably not for any of those reasons.

[Akno21]

1. gay - No
2. atheist - No
3. fundy christian - No
4. muslim - No (Though if we're talking Al-queda we'd have issues)
5. republican - No
6. democrat - No
7. libertarian - No
8. have an abortion - No, but I hope to god she would never have to
9. drug user - No, I'd try to get help
10. neo-confederate - No, though if they were downright racist, I would be extremly disappointed and may let it show

[Gabu]

1. gay - no
2. atheist - no
3. fundy christian - no
4. muslim - no
5. republican - no
6. democrat - no
7. libertarian - no
8. have an abortion - no
9. drug user - no
10. neo-confederate - no

I don't believe that I would disown my child under any circumstances.  I would continue to love him or her and would do my best to show my child the errors in his or her way if I felt that some existed.

If my child became a danger to myself, I would not attempt to associate with him or her, but I doubt I would disown my child even then.

[Alcon]

Y'all would disown your child just because of the sexual preference that your genetics gave to them?  That's pretty sad.

Well I certainly didn't give it to them! 

So you would disown them because of this why?  You would not love your child because they are gay for what reason?  A good Christian, as the Bible rather clearly implies, would support them and try to put them along a good Christian path, but you would abandon them?  I'm sorry, but I can't respect that.

My answer is no in every case - I would never not love my child because of a choice they made, although I also agree with Gabu's disclaimer.

[dazzleman]

1. gay - no
2. atheist - no
3. fundy christian - no
4. muslim - no
5. republican - no
6. democrat - no
7. libertarian - no
8. have an abortion - no
9. drug user - no
10. neo-confederate - no

I don't believe that I would disown my child under any circumstances.  I would continue to love him or her and would do my best to show my child the errors in his or her way if I felt that some existed.

If my child became a danger to myself, I would not attempt to associate with him or her, but I doubt I would disown my child even then.

I agree with you Gabu.  I don't think I'd disown my child even if he/she became a liberal.   All kidding aside, the biggest problems I would have with that list are atheist, muslim, drug user and abortion.

Much of my issues with the first two would be the reasons he/she was led in that direction.  My brother is an atheist, and his reasons for being so are highly negative and centered around what I consider to be inappropriate bitterness and a highly cynical attitude toward life in general.  I think these attitudes hurt the person who carries them, and if my child were an atheist for those reasons, it would sadden me. 

I would have some problem with my child becoming a muslim, but again, I'd be more worried about the reasons behind the conversion than the religion itself, as long as he/she wasn't an extremist.

Drug users can be highly destructive to themselves and their families.  While I wouldn't disown my child for drug use, I don't think I'd allow a regular drug user to live under my roof and run the risk of things being stolen, sleazy 'friends' coming around, etc.  I've seen what drug addiction can do to families, and I think I'd have to severely limit the relationship, and not enable the drug use in any case.

I believe abortion seriously hurts the person who has it, so I would be very very saddened if my child ever had an abortion.  I'd also be saddened that she would be in the position of needing or wanting an abortion.  I wouldn't disown her, but I'd be very sad and disappointed.  If she became pregnant without benefit of marriage, I would try to convince her to carry the baby to term and place it up for adoption to a loving couple. 

One thing I would not allow would be for my daughter to raise her kids under my roof.  I think that being an effective parent requires you to function as an adult, and that is difficult if you haven't grown up enough to live on your own.  I have seen these situations, and they usually don't work out.

[phk]

1. gay
2. atheist
3. fundy christian
4. muslim
5. republican
6. democrat
7. libertarian
8. have an abortion
9. drug user
10. neo-confederate

1. No
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No
7. Yes
8. No
9. No
10. Yes

[© tweed]

rocket, aren't you a muslim yourself?

[phk]

rocket, aren't you a muslim yourself?

No, but I have family that is.

[7,052,770]

No to all.  I can't believe anyone would answer yes to any...

[??????????]

I would disown Harry and Dazzleman if they were my sons.

[Platypus]

no for all but three, four and ten, and even then, almost certainly no.

[Rin-chan]

Y'all would disown your child just because of the sexual preference that your genetics gave to them?  That's pretty sad.

Well I certainly didn't give it to them! 

Me neither.

Rin-chan

[Richard]

No, not for anything.  How can one not love his own child?

[The Dowager Mod]

No of course not.

[Rin-chan]

No, not for anything.  How can one not love his own child?

Just because you disown your child doesn't mean you don't love them.  It means your so disappointed in them that, in order to save the sanity of yourself and your child, you let them go.  It's really complicated to explain why you would do it... but... yeah...

I know I will love my future children to DEATH.  I love them so much and they don't exist yet.  However, if they did something to disappoint me so much it breaks my heart, I would rather have my child away from me than to suffer with me.  Besides, it's also punishment.

Rin-chan