Senators look here! *IMPORTANT*

[MasterJedi]

Ok Senators, this passed last Senate session and nothing came of it because (well I think not everybody sent in their picks).  And since we don't have an SOFA at this time just post your choices in here..  I'll post mine later.



1. The Senate recognizes that Atlasia is without symbols.
2. The Senate agrees to create the following symbols: National Motto, Mammal and Bird.
3. If passed each Senator shall submit themselves, or get from his constituents, one option for each symbol to the Secretary of Forum Affairs.
4. After all options are received the Secretary of Forum Affairs shall administer a vote on each symbol, using preferential voting. Whichever symbol receives the most support shall become the national symbol for each option.

[MasterJedi]

Here's my picks:


Animal: Timber Wolf

Bird: Peregrine Falcon

Motto: Ad astra per aspera (To the stars through difficulty)

[Jake]

If any of my constituents have ideas, PM me with them. If I fail to get ideas before Monday, I'll just post my own.

[Bono]

I think this is the antithesis of important.

[Ebowed]

I present the choices I originally sent to the Department of Forum Affairs on October 11th, 2005.

National Mammal:  The human being, homo sapien
National Bird:  The frigate bird
National Motto:  "j00 have been h4x0r3d!11"

[DanielX]

National Mammal: I would submit the robot, but since they generally aren't mammals, I will instead submit the Killer Whale.

National Bird: the wild Turkey

National Motto: "Molon Labe" (if you want them, come and take them!)

[MasterJedi]

I think this is the antithesis of important.

It's important because it's been here for about 2 months and nothing has happened with it.

[Gabu]

Animal: Platypus

Bird: Heron

Motto: l33t3r 7h4n j00

[Platypus]

"Fear no foe"

Otter, as Platypuses aren't native

Baldheaded Eagle (it's at the top for a reason...)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Animal: American Black Bear
Bird: Bald Eagle I guess...
Motto: Deus ex machina

[Platypus]

deus ex machina? you've been reading too many ancient greek plays

[CheeseWhiz]

deus ex machina? you've been reading too many ancient greek plays

Switch the Ex and the Dues and you got a really good Stargate SG-1 episode

[PBrunsel]

Animal: The Majestic Gopher

Bird: The Hawkeye

Motto: "God, Family, and Country."

[KEmperor]

Motto: "God, Family, and Country."

"No agency of government shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion"

[PBrunsel]

Motto: "God, Family, and Country."

"No agency of government shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion"

"Or the free practice thereof."

[Alcon]

Motto: "God, Family, and Country."

"No agency of government shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion"

"Or the free practice thereof."

I think that he is objecting to the government "officialising" belief in God through the motto.

[PBrunsel]

Motto: "God, Family, and Country."

"No agency of government shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion"

"Or the free practice thereof."

I think that he is objecting to the government "officialising" belief in God through the motto.

I don't see the problem. I didn't say Christ or Allah or Muhamed. I just said God, and there are not enough atheists to warrant a vote against it.

[Emsworth]

Hmm, that would make for an interesting Supreme Court case. I am not yet completely sure how I would rule.

[KEmperor]

Motto: "God, Family, and Country."

"No agency of government shall make any law respecting an establishment of religion"

"Or the free practice thereof."

I think that he is objecting to the government "officialising" belief in God through the motto.

I don't see the problem. I didn't say Christ or Allah or Muhamed. I just said God, and there are not enough atheists to warrant a vote against it.

I was unaware that being in the minority absolved me of the rights that the majority enjoy.

[PBrunsel]

Hmm, that would make for an interesting Supreme Court case. I am not yet completely sure how I would rule.

Why do you think I introduced it?

I was unaware that being in the minority absolved me of the rights that the majority enjoy.

What, by protesting the word "God" you are trampling on my rights to practice a reliogion, thus interfering with the free practice thereof given in the Constitution!

[Jake]

Okay, here's mine.

Mammal: Lion

Bird: Bald Eagle

Motto: Per Vim, Victoriam (Through Strength, Victory)

[KEmperor]

Hmm, that would make for an interesting Supreme Court case. I am not yet completely sure how I would rule.

Why do you think I introduced it?

I was unaware that being in the minority absolved me of the rights that the majority enjoy.

What, by protesting the word "God" you are trampling on my rights to practice a reliogion, thus interfering with the free practice thereof given in the Constitution!

I had no idea practicing your religion required official government sanction that yours is the correct one.  "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" and all that?

[PBrunsel]

I had no idea practicing your religion required official government sanction.  "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" and all that?

Government isn't really sanctioning it, we are not giving money to any chruch, we are not forcing anyone to join a church, we are not declaring a state religion (such as Catholicism, Luteranism, Judiasm, Islam, Mormonism), we are not telling people to wprship a god. We are merely declaring God along with family and country. What God, well that's up to you.

And that second one was about taxes, and trust me, I would never pray to God to have us raise taxes.

[KEmperor]

I had no idea practicing your religion required official government sanction.  "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" and all that?

Government isn't really sanctioning it, we are not giving money to any chruch, we are not forcing anyone to join a church, we are not declaring a state religion (such as Catholicism, Luteranism, Judiasm, Islam, Mormonism), we are not telling people to wprship a god. We are merely declaring God along with family and country. What God, well that's up to you.

And that second one was about taxes, and trust me, I would never pray to God to have us raise taxes.

No, you are telling people that the government officially endorces a god(doesn't matter which one), which is establishment of religion(again, which one is immaterial) no matter how you dress it up.

The only proper position of government on the question of religious belief is a neutral one.  Beliefs on religious matters are not the business of the state.

[PBrunsel]

No, you are telling people that the government officially endorces a god(doesn't matter which one), which is establishment of religion(again, which one is immaterial) no matter how you dress it up.

The state is not establishing a religion (such as Henry VIII did with the Anglica Church) which is why we established the "Establishment Clause". So by having no official religion we are not directly violating that most flexible of clauses.