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Unconditional Surrender Truman
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« on: June 24, 2019, 03:11:48 PM »

The intent of this amendment is to stem the insane inflation of regional legislatures and eliminate the various ways parties have manipulated the candidate index to elect "placeholder" MFPs. Instead, voters would chose five MFPs in addition to the first minister at every election, ensuring transparency and an even playing field for all parties heading into the election. In the event of an insufficient number of candidates to fill all five seats, the amendment also allows for the election of "No Member" to one or more seats—as I envision, through a "NOTA" option—so there is still some flexibility in the system where it was needed.

Essentially, in the present day I see no reason why there should be more than five MFPs, and only very unusual circumstances where that number should be fewer than four. The stampede for more offices everywhere is a vice propagated mainly by people who didn't live through the dark days of Bloody July and the 2017 Succession Crisis and who therefore fail to appreciate the dangers of legislative inflation in their misguided belief that more offices leads to more activity.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2019, 11:02:18 AM »

On the face of it, an index such as that which Adam proposed as the ConCon back in 2015 would be a good thing, and would potentially help to counteract the kind of extreme vote-packing we've seen of late in Lincoln. My objection in this particular instance, is that such a policy would need to be adopted nationally in order to work: I don't think there's much point at all in Frémont adopting that policy if Lincoln and the South aren't on board.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2019, 11:35:40 AM »

I will say that even if fixed membership ends up not happening, Fremont should probably consider getting rid of the "everyone elected minus 1" rule, which is what leads to placeholder candidates in the first place.
The [CANDIDATES - 1] rule was introduced in 2017, when the regional government was collapsing and the top priority of the reform initiative was to get as many people involved as possible. Back then, it was unthinkable that we would have a surplus of candidates for parliament, and since I was doing 90% of the recruiting for both parties, "placeholder candidates" weren't really an issue. Times have changed: we no longer have an activity crisis in this region, and our new priority should therefore be to make elections as transparent and representative as possible. From a recruiting standpoint, not knowing how many candidates you need until a few days before the election makes involving new players more difficult and incentivizes parties to rely on established players in their inner-circle to win a majority. In a contested election, it becomes where the real contest for control of parliament is fought and won before the polls ever open, on Discord and in the inboxes of potential recruits.

That's not idle speculation, by the way: I'm saying this as someone who has recruited more candidates for parliament than probably any other individual and who has been involved in some capacity as a party organizer in every general election since January 2017. Back then, these were acceptable trade-offs, especially as the right wing was basically non-existent for the duration of my premiership (people joke that Frémont is a left-wing utopia now, but you should have seen it when the only right-wing MFP voted for all my bills and ran for re-election because I asked him to). These days, I'm more concerned that we're putting parties and voters at a disadvantage by keeping the number of seats in the next parliament a secret until a few days before the election.

TL;DR–I agree with Tack, basically.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 04:57:31 PM »

Of the present membership, two have spoken in favor, one against, and two are absent. Any further thoughts, or are we ready to vote?
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2019, 03:16:18 PM »

Disappointed as I am by the dearth of debate, seeing no further discussion, I move for a final vote. Members have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 02:33:03 PM »

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If, however, fewer than four candidates declare for House of Commons before a snap or general election, the election shall be postponed until at least four candidates have declared.
God, how did I miss this the first time? That's maybe the most disastrous invention in the entire history of the Second Constitution.
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 06:15:01 PM »

Right, I'm going to move for a final vote tomorrow if nobody has anything further to add. I would appreciate it if, this time, members would restrain themselves from objection unless they actually wish to continue debate.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2019, 06:17:07 PM »
« Edited: July 11, 2019, 06:20:09 PM by Harry S Truman, AG, MFP »

I really would have liked to see a system that has some variance based on the number of candidates (for example, if there are fewer than 6 candidates, a 3-member chamber; 6 candidates or more, a 5-member chamber) along the lines of what we managed to do in Lincoln.

It is true that expansion/contraction of region population is unlikely to impact overall candidate availability in all but the most extreme circumstances, which is why I believe pegging size (within sustainable parameters for the game as a whole) to level of interest should be the metric, thereby ensuring elections are as competitive as possible regardless of candidate interest being high or low.

Now, if I was doing this federally, I'd be using a different metric, but alas...
I'd be open to this as a compromise (such closely resembles the original model I proposed back in 2017), if that would make a difference to our members on the fence —though it's hard to tell when half the chamber is absent. The reason I introduced this bill in the first place was to have a serious discussion as to the ideal apportionment strategy after the last amendment was rammed through without debate, which has sadly not transpired.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2019, 09:56:26 PM »

Okay, then.

I move for a final vote. Members have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2019, 10:11:02 PM »

Seeing no objection, we will proceed to a vote. Members will vote Aye, Nay, or abstain. Voting will last 48 hours or until all members have voted.
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2019, 10:29:50 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2019, 10:48:47 PM »

With two votes in favor, one opposed, and two members not voting, the resolution fails in lieu of a four-fifths majority.
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